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Re: 2018 World Cup
« Reply #135 on: July 17, 2018, 10:46:37 am »
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i dno tho, have to tuck your arm .. can't let it flail out there hoping to accidentally block the ball. it also prevented the ball from getting through, and there was another attacker on the other side, potential connection.

doesn't have to be intentional, can be an intentional accident or just a true accident, need to tuck the arm as far as I know.

to me it was the right call for sure.

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Re: 2018 World Cup
« Reply #136 on: July 17, 2018, 11:47:11 am »
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i was wondering about this so i looked it up. FA rulebook (bolds mine):

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Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.

The following must be considered:
-the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
-the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
-the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence
-touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) is an offence
-hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an offence

so it's ambiguous. the hand moved toward the ball (slapped it down) but it's not clear, to me anyway, that it was a "deliberate act." also apparently it doesn't matter where your hand is.

the ref was in an impossible position, where either way he chose the other team would have a legitimate argument that he was wrong. in other words, not even an ounce of improvement on not having VAR, plus we all had to sit around and wait for a few minutes while he saw the same 50/50 replay we did. strike against VAR imho.

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Re: 2018 World Cup
« Reply #137 on: July 17, 2018, 01:04:02 pm »
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^^ nice. good info.

I still think it was more clear than not.

I remember there was another hand ball by Croatia in that game, in the box, but the FRA player kicked it towards the sideline instead of at the goal, and it hit the CRO player's hand. Ref didn't entertain it for a second, which was great.

VAR should have overturned that free kick early on where Griezmann flopped. That was a deliberate flop that lead to a goal. I was happy to see CRO equalize it soon after. The match might have been a little different if that flop got overturned. IMHO, that was the real mistake of the match. That gave FRA an early 1-0 lead on a complete b.s., obvious flop. I'd personally feel ashamed of myself if I did something like that in competition, lmao. Not sure how these guys live with themselves.. I guess the money/prize/trophy is worth the dishonor to most people. Just play straight up don't fu*king do cheap, weak, dirty sh*t. /rant :ninja: :derp:

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Re: 2018 World Cup
« Reply #138 on: July 17, 2018, 04:19:12 pm »
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There was another situation where in Argentina Vs Nigeria I think where it appeared to come off someone's hand but after checking var it came off head then hit hand so ref didn't give penalty.

Also in this game Croatian player was behind and close to pogba when the handball happened so it is coming fast and slow motion doesn't help. Croatian players hand was at the side but ball was coming that way too so it hit his hand.
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Re: 2018 World Cup
« Reply #140 on: July 17, 2018, 05:05:14 pm »
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I know I was disappointed by the call and it partly has to do with the Griezmann play before and also the fact that it was the world cup final... Rule of thumb is if it's 50/50 and you're not sure, don't call it. Especially if it's a decisive call in the final. Thing I don't understand about VAR, the ref is already going over to make the decision, why doesn't someone in the booth mention, "hey you fd up on the free kick it was a dive, just know if you give this call as well, you're massively influencing the game in one teams favor. Two calls of that caliber are almost impossible to overcome.

It could've been an epic game, Croatia was dominant on the ball for 60 minutes but chasing two goals, especially ones off bad calls is nearly impossible to do at that level. I stopped watching after the third France goal. Croatia had spent all their energy through previous games then trying to play catch up was too much. I thought they deserved more of a chance and I wanted to see France tested but everything went their way. I think they would've had the better chance to win either way but Croatia was really bringing it, it was sad to watch them go down that way after all that effort.

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Re: 2018 World Cup
« Reply #141 on: July 17, 2018, 10:35:35 pm »
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I know I was disappointed by the call and it partly has to do with the Griezmann play before and also the fact that it was the world cup final... Rule of thumb is if it's 50/50 and you're not sure, don't call it. Especially if it's a decisive call in the final. Thing I don't understand about VAR, the ref is already going over to make the decision, why doesn't someone in the booth mention, "hey you fd up on the free kick it was a dive, just know if you give this call as well, you're massively influencing the game in one teams favor. Two calls of that caliber are almost impossible to overcome.

ya exactly.

and don't even let it get to that "you messed up the dive/free kick" part of it, that should have been fixed by VAR. that is what i'll remember tainting that match, not the handball. that dive/free kick was truly awful officiating.


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It could've been an epic game, Croatia was dominant on the ball for 60 minutes but chasing two goals, especially ones off bad calls is nearly impossible to do at that level. I stopped watching after the third France goal. Croatia had spent all their energy through previous games then trying to play catch up was too much. I thought they deserved more of a chance and I wanted to see France tested but everything went their way. I think they would've had the better chance to win either way but Croatia was really bringing it, it was sad to watch them go down that way after all that effort.

ya well said. CRO really controlled most of that game, the goals got easier towards the end once those 2 goals happened from the awful call & questionable call.

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Re: 2018 World Cup
« Reply #142 on: July 17, 2018, 11:39:59 pm »
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can't knock griezman for flopping, he got what he wanted. when people (mostly americans IME) whine about flopping in soccer i usually say something to the effect of, don't hate the player hate the game. classic instance of that. if the powers that be wanted to discourage it, they'd give yellow cards for it.
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Re: 2018 World Cup
« Reply #143 on: July 18, 2018, 12:17:23 am »
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can't knock griezman for flopping, he got what he wanted. when people (mostly americans IME) whine about flopping in soccer i usually say something to the effect of, don't hate the player hate the game. classic instance of that. if the powers that be wanted to discourage it, they'd give yellow cards for it.

true. i mostly fault VAR/refs.

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Re: 2018 World Cup
« Reply #144 on: July 18, 2018, 01:19:59 am »
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that said, this is hilarious (sound on):

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_7JskPDjWY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_7JskPDjWY</a>
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Re: 2018 World Cup
« Reply #145 on: July 18, 2018, 10:59:33 am »
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that said, this is hilarious (sound on):

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_7JskPDjWY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_7JskPDjWY</a>

lol.

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Re: 2018 World Cup
« Reply #146 on: July 18, 2018, 11:04:34 am »
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tried to find the actual clip of it, but couldnt. it's in the beginning of this video.. man that was just crazy.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5nNHEF80JU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5nNHEF80JU</a>

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Re: 2018 World Cup
« Reply #147 on: July 18, 2018, 03:22:07 pm »
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This is the flopping of football.  :uhhhfacepalm:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5OrTUWnXyU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5OrTUWnXyU</a>
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