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mike.1283

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2010, 06:03:36 pm »
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

For which part of that.  Since I found out my MRI results my Health Insurance changed and the Sports Med Dr and the "specialist" I was supposed to be seeing this coming Monday (but I have work) aren't covered by my new insurance.  Therefore chaces are that I'll hafta find a new Primary Care and I'll be forced to go to him to get my ankle evaluated and sent for another eval by Sports Med Dr, and then eventually sent to another "specialist" (just assuming that my MRI won't be read by new Dr and I'll need referrals to see specialists.)  And from there 6 months later I may actually be able to be get something done for my ankle.  All the while not bein able to train the way I'd like hence gaining more weight (fat and I'm training bodybuilder style which is easy for me) not playing much basketball or getting much cardio, that's my F*ck me sideways.  I'm pissed.

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2011, 03:48:28 pm »
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I just mentioned under my make-shift journal (under the graveyards and quitters), that I'm going to be looking into and trying a more "homeopathic" route for my ankle since its going to be quite some time before I get to meet with a specialist (work schedule and insurance plan).  I was talking with a massage therapist at 1 of the gyms, and I was asking his opinion, and he told me use iodine (apparently there's 2 kinds/colors) and make a "weave" using Q-Tips (of the iodine's if its not implied) over the ankle over the tendons and ligaments around the area affected.  Do that and also he mentioned taking fish oil, and I on my own started taking some glucosamine, and I'm also going to start trying contrast baths for my ankle (going from hot to ice cold), just to see what happens, because I figure I can't make it any worse, so maybe this will help it a little bit.

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2011, 02:34:01 am »
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yea let us know how that goes man, i got a similar thing with my ankle.  I've been taking 6g fish oil for a little bit and it does seem to really help with acute injuries and keeping that inflammation down.

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2011, 12:30:27 pm »
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1st off what'd u do to your ankle?  And 2nd I know there are a lot of different supps u can take to "lubricate" joints for people who have arthritis, like the fish oil, glucosamine, MSM, so I want to give that a try I'm just trying to do at least a little bit of research on it 1st (meaning beyond the fish oil and glucosamine, I've heard about those from a lot of different people and heard good reviews about them also.)  I am also going to try and at least set up an appt with some form of specialist and if it wouldn't be a while then see if I could have my Primary Care offer me some physical therapy (and if my insurance will cover it).

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2011, 04:00:20 am »
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no idea, like light ankle sprain about 9 months ago sicne then it has never healed fullly, i get pain when dorsiflex it a certain amount or invert it past a certain point.

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2011, 12:12:40 pm »
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no idea, like light ankle sprain about 9 months ago sicne then it has never healed fullly, i get pain when dorsiflex it a certain amount or invert it past a certain point.

is the pain you feel when in dorsiflexion at the top of your foot....near the start of your leg...cant explain...say L is your leg the pain is felt on the inside of the right angle of the L? dont know if that made sense?

i have this when i dorsiflex too much now due to my ankle injury(dislocation), basically its damage to anterior of the ankle/tallus which is jamming up my ROM in dorsiflexion...its not too bad i can squat/jump/run pain free mostly but at first it was bad....he suggested heel pads for a few weeks to reduce the amount of dorsiflexion so further damage didnt occur...and then the pain had mostly gone after this.

sorry if this is completely off topic to your injury i just read the last post and it sounds similar to what i had/have

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2011, 11:35:13 pm »
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no idea, like light ankle sprain about 9 months ago sicne then it has never healed fullly, i get pain when dorsiflex it a certain amount or invert it past a certain point.

Really can't help too much, the ankle is prob the only bodypart that I can't diagnose somewhat accurately, if I had to guess at this point I'd say 1 of those "itis's" but yeah mine was about 7 months ago at this point, and I honestly have no clue what to do about mine, and the more I learn about it the more confused I get.

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is the pain you feel when in dorsiflexion at the top of your foot....near the start of your leg...cant explain...say L is your leg the pain is felt on the inside of the right angle of the L? dont know if that made sense?

i have this when i dorsiflex too much now due to my ankle injury(dislocation), basically its damage to anterior of the ankle/tallus which is jamming up my ROM in dorsiflexion...its not too bad i can squat/jump/run pain free mostly but at first it was bad....he suggested heel pads for a few weeks to reduce the amount of dorsiflexion so further damage didnt occur...and then the pain had mostly gone after this.

sorry if this is completely off topic to your injury i just read the last post and it sounds similar to what i had/have

I been there done that for years I dealt with it after really bad Phys Therapy, had tons and tons of PTs since then "mobilize it" literally kinda crack it back into place, which feels incredible, but never lasts.  It just requires tons and tons of soft tissue work such as foam roll, mobilizations (look up ankle mobilizations on Youtube, there are a lot of them) and compliment all of that with some really good physical therapy/AT (Athletic Trainers) and u have a chance.  This ankle that got jammed up was the 1 that I now have the worse damage to.  It kinda sucks...  Check that, it sucks horrendously.  I used to joke with people at my work, that I'd give ALMOST anything to get a few days back with my ankle at full health. (I'm a personal trainer/S&C Coach, and have worked with tons and tons of Physical Therapists, between PT facilities within the gyms, and just been through multiple stints of PT for my ankles over the years).

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2011, 02:59:21 pm »
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Just posted this into my journal thread under the quitters/graveyard of journals, but I wanted to mention it here.

I was talking to a med-student regarding my ankle, he broke it down by saying the term "osteochondritis dissecans" is surrounded by uncertainty, because it means that when an injury heals it heals incorrectly, it doesn't form bone or cartildge but it is a growth that causes issues, a lot of Drs will recommend micro-fracture surgery, but they'll all tell you its really 50/50 if it will actually make it better, and a lot of cases it will make it worse.  So he said his recommendation was to deal with it, live with it, until it starts affecting your every day life. :(


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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2011, 04:55:53 pm »
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Instead of "jacking" his thread I figured I'd quote it and rant about it on mine.

In response to a certain journaler's account of a recent ankle tweak, I began to write this semi-coherent rant. And then I decided that it actually applies to a bunch of people around here, including me. So instead of singling out said journaler, here's a new thread:

The most important thing when recovering from a connective tissue injury is to REST THE FUCKING TISSUE THAT GOT INJURED.

Even Andrew "Rest is for pussies" Darqui is resting his toe now, kind of. Tendons and ligaments heal slowly and take time to recover their former strength (if they recover it fully at all) once they're healed. So if you sprain your knee or your ankle or your wrist: Stop playing basketball! Stop shooting jumpers! Stop doing anything that makes you plant on it or rely on it for reactive movements! Slowly reintegrate strengthening and balancing exercises once pain begins to subside! But don't push them too hard too fast!

DO NOT FUCKING RUSH, YOU WILL ONLY FUCK YOURSELF HARDER IN THE LONG TERM.

You're a recreational athlete. Just like me and almost everyone else on this forum. Therefore, you have absolutely no excuse to rush. And if/when you do rush, and you re-injure yourself, there are only two possible outcomes:
  • Your recovery takes even longer than it would have otherwise, or
  • You end up injuring yourself badly enough to cause long-term pain/damage.

It may sound a twinge hypocritical of me to say this after such a post, but relax. Let your body heal itself. You can always get back to playing basketball or jumping or sprinting or lifting later. The gym isn't going anywhere, the track isn't going anywhere, the hoop isn't going anywhere.

Makes sense, I wish I knew that years ago, cuz now I'm at that point where the damage to my ankle is "long term", I prob could get surgery, but that's even a 50/50 chance of any success (micro-fracture) because now there's some "bone defect"/maybe growth defect that's causing the issue (I heard from a med school student, and a practicing PT).
Reason I mention it after this post is because when I "sprained" my ankle initially back in June '10, it was around 6 - 8 weeks after coming off a "minor" sprain, and I was just getting back into not wearing my ankle brace (not that the ankle brace would've helped much), but if I rested and did more of my "integrated" training (some may consider it functional) I would probably not be in this position.  Damn.

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2011, 07:31:41 pm »
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I injured my ankle on January 25th, and I'm supposed to get this air cast off on February 22nd.  I'm going to heed the advice that I've seen here and rest the fuck out of my ankle. 

I'm in no rush.  I will let everyone know how my recovery goes.

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2011, 02:35:34 pm »
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I injured my ankle on January 25th, and I'm supposed to get this air cast off on February 22nd.  I'm going to heed the advice that I've seen here and rest the fuck out of my ankle. 

I'm in no rush.  I will let everyone know how my recovery goes.

what did you do? sprain/break ??

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2011, 04:47:08 pm »
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Who has any information on Flax Seed Oil??  I'm bout to start looking at it to see what its for (I thought it helped with joint lubrication but could be completely wrong) but I'm going to start googling it asking around, because I want to get my ankle as healthy as its going to get for the summer and outdoor basketball when I get a chance to

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2011, 06:49:17 pm »
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Who has any information on Flax Seed Oil??  I'm bout to start looking at it to see what its for (I thought it helped with joint lubrication but could be completely wrong) but I'm going to start googling it asking around, because I want to get my ankle as healthy as its going to get for the summer and outdoor basketball when I get a chance to

I'd just go with fish oil.  The omega 3 in flaxseed oil is short chain and we don't convert it efficiently.