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Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« on: September 13, 2010, 05:08:21 am »
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Ankle issues - my ankle still hasn't fully healed up after about 2 months, and I am asking for anyone's opinion if they know what is going on with it - when I rub ice over the area of the ATFL (Ligament) or just run my finger over the area I get a tingling down into my last 2 toes which makes me believe there's an issue with the nerve, anyone ever hear of this? Something that will go away on its own? Because when I'm doing anything explosive I still tend to get what feels like a "cramp" (even tho ligaments don't really cramp) occasionally, and I'm surprised it hasn't gotten completely better by now.

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2010, 10:44:10 am »
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Ankle issues - my ankle still hasn't fully healed up after about 2 months, and I am asking for anyone's opinion if they know what is going on with it - when I rub ice over the area of the ATFL (Ligament) or just run my finger over the area I get a tingling down into my last 2 toes which makes me believe there's an issue with the nerve, anyone ever hear of this? Something that will go away on its own? Because when I'm doing anything explosive I still tend to get what feels like a "cramp" (even tho ligaments don't really cramp) occasionally, and I'm surprised it hasn't gotten completely better by now.


REST REST REST REST REST REST REST REST REST REST

You shouldn't do anything explosive until the ankle is stable again and if you're still having issues after two months, believe me, it's not stable. You'll start compensating with your knee, and your knee isn't meant to do what your ankle does. That will lead to pain.

So work on stability and strengthening now. It takes time, be patient and you won't be as likely to fuck it up again like I have (four times).

If you want help with exercises and such, let me know. I'm not as good as seeing an actual PT (obviously) but I have craploads of personal experience with ankle rehab.
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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2010, 01:14:57 pm »
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Thanks, yeah I've been trying to ice it like crazy and I went through a stint of physical therapy and in the past I've been pretty good with rehab, I myself am a trainer and have sprained my ankles many times before (most recent bad 1 before this had been 2 yrs tho an all time high for me) and I am trying to build the strength back up, and I'm being requested by co-workers to run a 5K in October, but any advice would be cool.

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2010, 07:21:42 pm »
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It's been about 3 1/2 months for me and I don't know if icing will help, you should do those ankle strengthening exercises if you're doctor recommended any to you. Right now it's about to be there, I just can't squat with it or bound with it yet. For some reason it doesn't seem to be very flexible because when I squat, my left leg will go down on its heels and the right (injured) will stay on the balls of my feet if there's too much weight or I'm going really fast.

Those cramps will be there for a while still, just rest and I think it will be fine.
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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2010, 03:18:54 am »
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find a local Traditional Chinese Martial arts place in your local area.  they ought to be able to recommend someone to "work" on your ankle.  usually the massage will be a bit painful but it will help you heal.

i had a "mid-level" sprain in June and i was playing ball again after 2 (pretty damn painful) sessions after 1 week.  had i just do the typical RICE routine that would've been at least a 2-3 month recovery minimum and it probably wouldn't have been 100%.
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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 08:55:38 pm »
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"In your case I would suspect a subluxation of the talus, calcaneus, and/or the cuboid especially if you experienced an inversion ankle sprain. Your chiropractic physician can evaluate you for this and also to check the integrity of the anterior talofibular, talocalcaneal, calcaneucuboid, and calcaneofibular ligaments to see if they are holding the rear foot stable. It is also possible that you have sinus tarsus syndrome - again, your health care practitioner can help you determine that. Branches of the peroneal nerve (fibular nerve) innervate the dorsal and lateral aspects of the foot so you may have irritation to this nerve if you are experiencing nerve pain in your foot. The last thing I would consider are the muscles that attach and control the lateral aspects of your ankle-foot complex, especially the peroneus tertius, brevis, and longus. These muscles become inhibited by acute or chronic ankle sprains and edema so be sure these are evaluated by your health care provider otherwise your ankle will remain unstable and vulnerable to lateral and supinatory motions of the ankle-foot complex"

So I'm finding out that this COULD be what is going on with my ankle, I certainly don't know this for certain in the least bit and I'm trying to get a time to get my ankle evaluated by a Dr, or even a PT.  So the reason I'm posting this here, is I'm trying to really break the above quote down (originally from PT on the net) and figure out what it all means.  A lot of it I know, and the rest I can take a really eduacted guess at, but I want to know for certain.
Also by looking online it seems like treatment can range from Physical Therapy and a Cast for a few weeks to months to all the way up to surgery, which looks like it would put me out for about 6 months, anyone have any input at all?  Just trying to research this and all my options.

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2010, 11:36:50 am »
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did you try to find a TCM practitioner like i suggested?  you also didn't specify how you injured your ankle in the first place.  which direction did you roll it, and was it after jumping or just a mis-step?

TCM is one of the best way.  there a many foreign basketball players in Taiwan whom I've introduced them to TCM treatment after they sprain their ankle and they all universally praise the significantly reduced recovery time.  the last thing you want to do is put it in a cast.  that's going to do nothing for your recovery except extending the length of time greatly.
current stats: age: 42 :: 5'11" (180cm) :: 180lbs (82kg) bf ~30% :: reach: 90" or 7'6" (230cm) :: wing span: 6" (183cm)
12 week goal(current): SQ 115kg(100), DL 130kg(110), BP 80kg(70), reduce weight to 75kg (165 lbs) and bf to ~25%
status: excellent cardio condition, new 5x5 program, 10' rim touch okay, RVJ ~30"
PR RVJ ~34" 10'5" touch @ age ~25 (worst was ~6" below rim when i was @ 190 lbs ~35% body fat ~23" RVJ in 2007-8

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2010, 09:53:30 pm »
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did you try to find a TCM practitioner like i suggested?  you also didn't specify how you injured your ankle in the first place.  which direction did you roll it, and was it after jumping or just a mis-step?

TCM is one of the best way.  there a many foreign basketball players in Taiwan whom I've introduced them to TCM treatment after they sprain their ankle and they all universally praise the significantly reduced recovery time.  the last thing you want to do is put it in a cast.  that's going to do nothing for your recovery except extending the length of time greatly.

I actually didn't even look into the tradional chinese massage, but I just had another X-ray Thursday and an MRI today (Saturday) after seeing a Sports Med Dr, I should have the results for it on Tuesday.  I landed on somebody's foot and rolled it, which strained the ATFL and other ligaments, from what I originally heard.  Its been 5 months now also.

I also just found another site called TPtherapy.com for Trigger Point therapy they have tools similar to foam rollers that look like they may help.  I'm thinking about buying something from them, or asking around to see if anyone has used them and had success with their products.

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2010, 07:25:27 pm »
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Figured I'd mention it here since I've already mentioned it everywhere else, I got my results and I have torn cartildge in my ankle, Dr said I have a "pot hole" in my ankle, I'm going to need to see a foot/ankle specialist.

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2010, 12:31:29 am »
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Figured I'd mention it here since I've already mentioned it everywhere else, I got my results and I have torn cartildge in my ankle, Dr said I have a "pot hole" in my ankle, I'm going to need to see a foot/ankle specialist.

damn that sucks man :/ keep us posted on what foot/ankle specialist says, stay focused.

peace man

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2010, 10:22:15 am »
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Hi

I've the same problem, for almost 6 mths liao... Been to a couple of seh sei...Seen a total of prob 30 - 40 times liao bah...
X-ray done, nothing broke or fracture...Cn understand the frustration. Now am contemplating if I shld go for MRI... Sigh...Perhaps I shld...

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2010, 06:41:29 am »
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I ended up doing a lot of research on the issue before I finally went back to the Dr and went for an MRI, and not just on forums, I was talking to a lot of my collegeau's and asking around, and everyone seemed to say just get an MRI to be certain.
Try to get an MRI, I was dissapointed when I found out the results, but its so much better than having the pain linger and not knowing what's causing it.  Just my opinion.  I now have to wait 2 more weeks to meet with a "specialist" and then he'll probably (my opinion and guess) refer me for some surgery OR tell me its not bad enough to justify surgery lets go with cortizone shots/PT/ OR some other cartildge shots, which to me will be ok, but it will just serve as a way to "cover" the issue at hand, but maybe its a better option than the scope.

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2010, 08:29:13 am »
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hmm, u are 'disappointed' with the results? meaning?

i went polyclinic to get referral. said need to see specialist 1st who recommend if MRI is necessary. & the appointm is in Jan! Biang! Am going to call to see if can get an earlier date...

wher did u tk ur MRI? follow up @ the same place? how much was ur MRI?

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2010, 06:54:41 pm »
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Sorry for delayed response, I am dissapointed in the fact to find out there is true structural damage to the ankle and possibly ending in surgery of some sorts (looking online there are recommendations from scope, all the way to microfracture and 1 year off my feet).  Most of the things I've read sound like my ankle may not ever be 100% again.
I can't speak for how much the MRI cost, because some of it was covered by my health insurance, and so far I haven't got any bill for it, but I'm sure I will get some bill.  Also it helps that under the State of MA with the State Health Insurance, which I was being covered by under being "unemployed" (only working part time), and in which they cover most of my costs.

I took my MRI at some random "imaging" place, and then the Sports Med Dr left me a voicemail with the results.

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Re: Ankle sprain that just won't heal
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2010, 07:52:04 pm »
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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