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Performance Area => Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros => Topic started by: Raptor on April 02, 2011, 06:52:58 pm
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What's up with that? You see everybody with their ankles taped several times in the NBA... wtf? I think that puts the knee to an even more disadvantageous position than just wearing high cut shoes alone. If you combine them both, the knee has to really compensate for the lack of ankle mobility.
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What's up with that? You see everybody with their ankles taped several times in the NBA... wtf? I think that puts the knee to an even more disadvantageous position than just wearing high cut shoes alone. If you combine them both, the knee has to really compensate for the lack of ankle mobility.
why do you care?
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What's up with that? You see everybody with their ankles taped several times in the NBA... wtf? I think that puts the knee to an even more disadvantageous position than just wearing high cut shoes alone. If you combine them both, the knee has to really compensate for the lack of ankle mobility.
why do you care?
it's a forum. chill mully :)
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What's up with that? You see everybody with their ankles taped several times in the NBA... wtf? I think that puts the knee to an even more disadvantageous position than just wearing high cut shoes alone. If you combine them both, the knee has to really compensate for the lack of ankle mobility.
why do you care?
Because you can learn from this and apply to yourself. Why do you care about commenting about something you don't care?
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What's up with that? You see everybody with their ankles taped several times in the NBA... wtf? I think that puts the knee to an even more disadvantageous position than just wearing high cut shoes alone. If you combine them both, the knee has to really compensate for the lack of ankle mobility.
why do you care?
Because you can learn from this and apply to yourself. Why do you care about commenting about something you don't care?
I'm trying to figure out why you would care what they do. They already promote squatflex and jumpsoles.
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What's up with that? You see everybody with their ankles taped several times in the NBA... wtf? I think that puts the knee to an even more disadvantageous position than just wearing high cut shoes alone. If you combine them both, the knee has to really compensate for the lack of ankle mobility.
why do you care?
Because you can learn from this and apply to yourself. Why do you care about commenting about something you don't care?
I'm trying to figure out why you would care what they do. They already promote squatflex and jumpsoles.
Wow, that's some solid logic.
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What's up with that? You see everybody with their ankles taped several times in the NBA... wtf? I think that puts the knee to an even more disadvantageous position than just wearing high cut shoes alone. If you combine them both, the knee has to really compensate for the lack of ankle mobility.
Its definitely overdone in many cases, but in other cases its very necessary too, lots of bad ankle issues that can easily be re injured. The immobilization of the ankle joint will definitely affect the knee joint and the hip joint, just like the immobilization of the knee joint will affect the hip joint and knee joint, etc., and a lot of athletes tape now due to it being more of a "habit" or a crutch, and would likely be better served by removing some of the joint restrictive gear (tape and braces), working on strengthening the ankle and surrounding structures and solid positioning/mobility. BUT, Ive seen ankle injuries that were so recurring, even a hard practice without taping would end in at least a minor sprain if not worse, and not only from something major like coming down on a foot, cutting, stopping, etc, can turn over an ankle that has been damaged extensively previously if it doesnt have some type of protection.
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Weird... it's probably a structural thing in these situations (like having pronated feet and stuff like that) that "promotes" injuries. Otherwise, these people must have a really weak lower leg musculature.
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Weird... it's probably a structural thing in these situations (like having pronated feet and stuff like that) that "promotes" injuries. Otherwise, these people must have a really weak lower leg musculature.
Doesn't sound too weird to me.
Here's another perspectice , the financial one:
Those guys play 80 games per season , in an inhuman athletic tempo. 220+lb men doing endless ME jumps and then landings , on foots or not... ankle injury is very probable. I also think they are overdoing it with the tapes, BUT, a bad ankle injury ( that would cause a couple of months off ) would affect your 'stocks' in the game , we are talking about millions.
To contradict myself , a player could chose to raise his stocks by playing better with an untaped ankle. But if i had to choose , i would also go with the safe side and tape the ankles!
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That's not my problem, my problem is - don't you risk to injure your knees more by taping the ankles. I mean, if I had to choose between an ankle vs. knee injury, I'd choose ankle. So the question is - is this worth it? Do you win more by taping the ankles than what you lose in knee instability?
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Weird... it's probably a structural thing in these situations (like having pronated feet and stuff like that) that "promotes" injuries. Otherwise, these people must have a really weak lower leg musculature.
Doesn't sound too weird to me.
Here's another perspectice , the financial one:
Those guys play 80 games per season , in an inhuman athletic tempo. 220+lb men doing endless ME jumps and then landings , on foots or not... ankle injury is very probable. I also think they are overdoing it with the tapes, BUT, a bad ankle injury ( that would cause a couple of months off ) would affect your 'stocks' in the game , we are talking about millions.
To contradict myself , a player could chose to raise his stocks by playing better with an untaped ankle. But if i had to choose , i would also go with the safe side and tape the ankles!
+1, good post. fwiw, the healthiest ankles in the world cant withstand coming down 40 inches and landing on someones foot, having the tibia touch the floor while youre standing on the blade edge of the foot. That is an EXTREMELY common injury in competitive basketball, and once it happens, especially multiple times, the ankle will usually turn over easier, even during cutting/change of direction movements that may not have previously bothered it. Its better safe than sorry for sure.
FWIW, Ill share something that helped me out a lot later in my basketball career. In lighter practices and scrimmages you can learn to pick and choose when you jump in traffic, and more importantly, dont land right where you jumped if you dont have to. I learned this way too late in my career or I couldve saved myself several bad ankle injuries from coming down on peoples feet around the rim, but once you start practicing it and get used to it, your chance of injury gets less and less. Learn to jump quickly in traffic, high when you need to but always at angles or with momentum carrying you somewhere safe, the more you practice the more aware you become of it, and the less likely you are to come down on someones foot and ruin half to all of your season.
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That's not my problem, my problem is - don't you risk to injure your knees more by taping the ankles. I mean, if I had to choose between an ankle vs. knee injury, I'd choose ankle. So the question is - is this worth it? Do you win more by taping the ankles than what you lose in knee instability?
the odds of an ankle injury are so high in basketball,sure, knee injuries happen too but not at nearly the rate of the ankles. couple that with the fact that the knee injury (if resulting from restricted mobility at the ankle) will be cumulative and slower to come on, and the ankle injury acute, taping the ankles going to be a better investment than it is a risk.
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FWIW, Ill share something that helped me out a lot later in my basketball career. In lighter practices and scrimmages you can learn to pick and choose when you jump in traffic, and more importantly, dont land right where you jumped if you dont have to. I learned this way too late in my career or I couldve saved myself several bad ankle injuries from coming down on peoples feet around the rim, but once you start practicing it and get used to it, your chance of injury gets less and less. Learn to jump quickly in traffic, high when you need to but always at angles or with momentum carrying you somewhere safe, the more you practice the more aware you become of it, and the less likely you are to come down on someones foot and ruin half to all of your season.
+1 to this! As my training made me jump higher , i wanted to ME on any jump. Its stupid... you must somehow learn to jump only as much as you need.
If you boxed your oponent out , no reason to sky the defensive rebound , keep boxing out and pick the ball from the ground.
If you see your teammate at the same situation , no need to go there and grab the reb in the sky. Let the ball go down and your teamate pick it.
You are outside , a teamate shoots... no need to cut and jump for the offensive rebound , there will be 6-8 people , 12-16 foots in the paint waiting for you to land on them.
And so many similar situations...
But then again , when it's competition you forget it all and go 110%. You just have to learn to go smarter , as smart as you can anyway.
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So Nightfly is smart for jumping 8 inches on his rebound attempts? And being outrebounded at the same time? :P
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So Nightfly is smart for jumping 8 inches on his rebound attempts? And being outrebounded at the same time? :P
- rebowndz are GUD
- jumpin hi is GUD
-if your ankle is sprained or broked u cant jump hi or at all
-pick time 2 jump hi iz > jump hi when not need 2
-reboundeng not about jumping hi much as is positioning (see also "where you *get* when under a goal)
-jump at angleezz when u kan
.....does that make better sense to you raptor?
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No, not really. One of the best things you can do for your jumping is to jump maximally all the time when you play... you start to "expect" jumping maximally and becomes more or less 2nd nature. At least, I think so. Because I'm too lazy to do it.
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No, not really. One of the best things you can do for your jumping is to jump maximally all the time when you play... you start to "expect" jumping maximally and becomes more or less 2nd nature. At least, I think so. Because I'm too lazy to do it.
We are not saying not to jump maximally, just pick and choose the times, and pay attention to where you are when you do, where you will land. Youre an idiot if you are playing a lot of basketball and dont acknowledge the risk of coming down on someones foot when jumping in GAME SITUATIONS, no matter how healthy and strong your ankles are, you come down on someones foot from a high enough level and its game over for you. Bye bye training gains that you worked so hard for, bye bye season, and sometimes this can cost you your spot on the team.
Test your ingenious theory out, go play 3-4 hours a day of competitive basketball, GO FUCKING NUTS jumping, as soon as you see a crowd under the rim, take off from outside the paint and just launch yourself into the lane. Dont worry about where you land because you have good structure and mobility of the ankles. When a shot goes up, JUMP MAXIMALLY STRAIGHT UP IN THE AIR, stand as close as possible to all the others standing in the lane when you do it, again, dont worry about where you land due to your advanced ankle structure/mobility. Come back to this thread in a month or so and report how it went.
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People forgot the 82 games grind the player went through, if they don't tape their ankle and with the style the play almost every other day, chances of they wear out their ankle ligaments is pretty high. Most of them wear out their knee instead though.
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No, not really. One of the best things you can do for your jumping is to jump maximally all the time when you play... you start to "expect" jumping maximally and becomes more or less 2nd nature. At least, I think so. Because I'm too lazy to do it.
We are not saying not to jump maximally, just pick and choose the times, and pay attention to where you are when you do, where you will land. Youre an idiot if you are playing a lot of basketball and dont acknowledge the risk of coming down on someones foot when jumping in GAME SITUATIONS, no matter how healthy and strong your ankles are, you come down on someones foot from a high enough level and its game over for you. Bye bye training gains that you worked so hard for, bye bye season, and sometimes this can cost you your spot on the team.
Test your ingenious theory out, go play 3-4 hours a day of competitive basketball, GO FUCKING NUTS jumping, as soon as you see a crowd under the rim, take off from outside the paint and just launch yourself into the lane. Dont worry about where you land because you have good structure and mobility of the ankles. When a shot goes up, JUMP MAXIMALLY STRAIGHT UP IN THE AIR, stand as close as possible to all the others standing in the lane when you do it, again, dont worry about where you land due to your advanced ankle structure/mobility. Come back to this thread in a month or so and report how it went.
Haha, sorry, but can't do. Heck, I look at the ground when I jump alone on the court, let alone in traffic. Hence I turn into a jumpshooter when I play ball, and I think that's a smart thing to do.
There are crazy people that penetrate a lot, jump a lot, get injured a lot, and then complain about their injuries.
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People forgot the 82 games grind the player went through, if they don't tape their ankle and with the style the play almost every other day, chances of they wear out their ankle ligaments is pretty high. Most of them wear out their knee instead though.
Maybe they have less developed calves and lower leg musculature than quads, and therefore feel their ankles more unstable than the knees, and therefore act in taping the ankles.
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Also, Raptor, you can't jump maximally over and over throughout a game, by definition. As soon as you start getting tired, you are not jumping maximally anymore.
And go watch an NBA game, those guys don't jump "maximally" as often as you think. Most of the time it's little hops, submax jumps for rebounds or layups or jump shots, whatever. The only time they jump max effort -- as distinct from maximal jumping, which requires lots of rest -- is on hard dunks (and big players don't even need to jump ME for that) and sometimes on rebounds in traffic.
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Yeah, I know. I was just making a point about how we're usually so lazy that we never jump maximally in a game ONCE.
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Hence I turn into a jumpshooter when I play ball, and I think that's a smart thing to do.
+ +9,000
Whenever I'm in Europe I NEVER drive into the lane. Hell no, not outdoors, with 35 year old men pounding me because I'm "American" and much more athletic than those idiots. And we're playing on concrete with some small potholes. Not to mention, nobody realizes they're not playing tight D at all because there's no 3 point line on this court and they sag off anywhere more than 15ft from the basket if you're on the sides of the court (where it's harder for the defender to judge distance since he's not near the paint and he is facing away from the basket anyway). So I'll just make them pay anyway with my jumpshot. I'm a jumpshooter anyway.
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Hence I turn into a jumpshooter when I play ball, and I think that's a smart thing to do.
+ +9,000
Whenever I'm in Europe I NEVER drive into the lane. Hell no, not outdoors, with 35 year old men pounding me because I'm "American" and much more athletic than those idiots. And we're playing on concrete with some small potholes. Not to mention, nobody realizes they're not playing tight D at all because there's no 3 point line on this court and they sag off anywhere more than 15ft from the basket if you're on the sides of the court (where it's harder for the defender to judge distance since he's not near the paint and he is facing away from the basket anyway). So I'll just make them pay anyway with my jumpshot. I'm a jumpshooter anyway.
LOL are you serious about those European ballers? I gotta take note, as I'm going to England in the summer.
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Hence I turn into a jumpshooter when I play ball, and I think that's a smart thing to do.
+ +9,000
Whenever I'm in Europe I NEVER drive into the lane. Hell no, not outdoors, with 35 year old men pounding me because I'm "American" and much more athletic than those idiots. And we're playing on concrete with some small potholes. Not to mention, nobody realizes they're not playing tight D at all because there's no 3 point line on this court and they sag off anywhere more than 15ft from the basket if you're on the sides of the court (where it's harder for the defender to judge distance since he's not near the paint and he is facing away from the basket anyway). So I'll just make them pay anyway with my jumpshot. I'm a jumpshooter anyway.
LOL are you serious about those European ballers? I gotta take note, as I'm going to England in the summer.
Of course he is. So, what, it's different in the USA? Here everybody is obsessed with "defense" (read - fouling). If you're fat (and most are) and just lurk 1 meter around the paint and foul everybody, you're a great "baller". Go figure.
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Not sure how it is everywhere in Europe, but in Macedonia it's like that. They're prejudiced against me because I live in America, and because I'm much more athletic and skilled than them. So when I drive into the lane, they really use force against me and foul A LOT. What sucks is that if you call foul, there's no basket if it goes in. At least where I play at (in NYC), the basket counts if you're playing full court (only sometimes on half court, depends who's playing against you lol. Not outdoors though. I found a nice, controlled gym where there's a sign-up sheet for full-court games. Everything is fair and controlled, and no arguing about who plays next and w/e, so that's why we have this and 1 rule too keep lazy defenders from fouling and hurting you every time).
Then there are those tall fat men who stay a couple of feet from the basket. So tough to get rebounds on them. Couple that with with... NO TAKEBACKS... and a low rim (like 9'6" where I'm at) and they are all-stars. You just can't beat them. I'm a jumpshooter, I can make 4 shots in a row, but if I miss one, defense gets the rebound and goes right up with it for a point and you don't have possession anymore. Makes it tougher to be a shooter.
There are no "checks" either, but this is a rule I like. These are the Macedonian rules:
1. If you score, you must take the ball out from anywhere along the baseline. There's no wait for a check. Your team needs 2 passes before you're allowed to shoot (the throw in from the baseline counts as a pass). Defense is allowed to intercept the pass in (exception: on the very first possession of the game when the score is 0-0, the first pass in cannot be intercepted).
2. If you are fouled, you take the ball out from the sideline straight out from the spot you were fouled. No wait for a check again. You take the ball out from here. Defense is allowed to intercept that throw in. Also, you may shoot as soon as the ball is in play (don't need to wait for a 2nd pass).
^^ Those 2 rules make for some awesome fast-paced basketball though :). Well, so does the no takeback rule, but I hate that rule. Makes it unworthy to settle for jumpshots, but it's too dangerous to drive in so it just overall sucks for me.
It's better at simulating a full-court game because there are no checks in full court so you don't have to wait for the defense to pay attention, you just go. However, to keep it from getting crazy fast, there's that 2 pass rule after a shot (akin to eliminating cherry-picking in a full court game).
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So what you're actually trying to say is "Get fat, play "ball" and be happy. You're going to be a superstar". I think I've heard this somewhere else before...
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did oliver miller say it?