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Hamstring pain when doing quad stretch
« on: April 16, 2020, 10:28:20 am »
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Have you guys ever had that hamstring pain when you stretch your quads bringing your heels to butt but when the angle reaches 45 degrees hamstring contracts and stiffs and cramps and you dare not straight your legs as muscle is stiff and will cause more pain then iris until you slowly bend and straight till it goes. Gives me understanding of hamstring tear when sprinting.

So I quickly bring heel so my hams don't have to contract when going slow as hamstring has to stabilise legs when being raised slowly.

It is very tight and painful if I let my legs be bent any opening of the knees and hell breaks loose.
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
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5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
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Re: Hamstring pain when doing quad stretch
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2020, 02:52:51 am »
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thats because your hamstrings also contract during that movement. it is because of a weak/tight hamstring specific spot. will have to find a good way to massage it.
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Re: Hamstring pain when doing quad stretch
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2020, 04:15:31 am »
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never had that before but it sounds bad. be careful.
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Re: Hamstring pain when doing quad stretch
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2020, 12:53:15 am »
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Have you guys ever had that hamstring pain when you stretch your quads bringing your heels to butt but when the angle reaches 45 degrees hamstring contracts and stiffs and cramps and you dare not straight your legs as muscle is stiff and will cause more pain then iris until you slowly bend and straight till it goes. Gives me understanding of hamstring tear when sprinting.

So I quickly bring heel so my hams don't have to contract when going slow as hamstring has to stabilise legs when being raised slowly.

It is very tight and painful if I let my legs be bent any opening of the knees and hell breaks loose.

yup i've experienced that many times. for me, it seemed to happen when i had greater quad flexibility or forced the stretch too much, either way resulting in hamstrings/gastrocs coming in "too much" contact. almost like it just "cramps up" being in that position. the after effects could linger for a few days, or even a week or more.

i think for me, when that happened, it would tweak the "popliteus" muscle. Could be what's happening for you.. not good to tweak that muscle.. it can cause all kinds of issues and knee instability.

some weird chain of events could be happening, ie similar to what FDL said .. something contracting in that position and causing a problem.

pretty sure we're talking about the same thing.



i've been back on the no-stretching boat for the last 6 months, feel really good. plan to stay here.

be careful with it!

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Re: Hamstring pain when doing quad stretch
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2020, 05:42:28 am »
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Have you guys ever had that hamstring pain when you stretch your quads bringing your heels to butt but when the angle reaches 45 degrees hamstring contracts and stiffs and cramps and you dare not straight your legs as muscle is stiff and will cause more pain then iris until you slowly bend and straight till it goes. Gives me understanding of hamstring tear when sprinting.

So I quickly bring heel so my hams don't have to contract when going slow as hamstring has to stabilise legs when being raised slowly.

It is very tight and painful if I let my legs be bent any opening of the knees and hell breaks loose.

yup i've experienced that many times. for me, it seemed to happen when i had greater quad flexibility or forced the stretch too much, either way resulting in hamstrings/gastrocs coming in "too much" contact. almost like it just "cramps up" being in that position. the after effects could linger for a few days, or even a week or more.

i think for me, when that happened, it would tweak the "popliteus" muscle. Could be what's happening for you.. not good to tweak that muscle.. it can cause all kinds of issues and knee instability.

some weird chain of events could be happening, ie similar to what FDL said .. something contracting in that position and causing a problem.

pretty sure we're talking about the same thing.



i've been back on the no-stretching boat for the last 6 months, feel really good. plan to stay here.

be careful with it!

pc!

hmm.interesting. I stretch my hamstring a lot now before stretching the quads to avoid this problem.
If I am stretching my quads by standing and bringing my heels to butts, the semitendonous muscle cramps up before my heels reaches the butt and is hard to straighten it as that muscle has become short and stiff to straight, so I have to slowly straighten it once the cramps calms down 10 degree angle at a time.

It's like the hamstring wanting to contract when it's not supposed as I am using my hand but would without my hand and my quad straightening and stretching. If i can relax my hammies when stretching this make it loose then good.

but imagine that cramping occurring when running and you straight your legs, you're asking for a tear.
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

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Re: Hamstring pain when doing quad stretch
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2020, 07:28:20 am »
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why not do the couch stretch instead? That one is pretty relaxed for me


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Re: Hamstring pain when doing quad stretch
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2020, 04:58:27 pm »
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why not do the couch stretch instead? That one is pretty relaxed for me

I would also have to concentrate to keep it loose as involuntary contraction can set off the cramp.

But as Adarq experienced if I was to to bring my heel to my butt without my hands and try squeeze my heel to butt as much as I can. I can feel the cramp coming up.

It has had an effect on the politeus as I do get that area become a lightly rigid but not painful so rotate and try loose and stretch it.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2020, 05:02:33 pm by seifullaah73 »
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/