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Re: Plyometric give me Metatarsal Pain... >.<
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2014, 11:36:59 pm »
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that's interesting, you'll find a lot of people on here favor jumping in the lightest/least-cushioned shoes possible. there's a minimum necessary, of course (except for avishek, who i've seen do a 35+ running jump in bare feet, on a track surface), but for the longest time i jumped exclusively in racing flats. adarq started me at least, and i know some others, on that path. now i've found some tennis shoes that weigh as little as my flats (~7.5 oz) but have that wide and flat sole. may eventually just go back to flats.
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sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
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Re: Plyometric give me Metatarsal Pain... >.<
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2014, 12:14:02 am »
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Idk, I'd just rather have the extra cushioning to help my joints during training. Now, when/if I go to test my vert I usually pick the lightest shoes I have that can support my plant regardless of cushioning or 'comfort'.
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Re: Plyometric give me Metatarsal Pain... >.<
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2014, 04:12:24 am »
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I actually prefer a lot of cushioning - I prefer running shoes that bend and diform, and that have a foam sole, and then I'm complaining that they deform too much and that I can't use too much speed because they'd just bend sideways and twist your ankle or something.

But if I try stiffer shoes, I collapse on almost ever jump attempt. The overload is just so tremendous to me. I think it's still lack of strength, it seems that I prefer to let the shock go in the connective tissues of the legs instead of using my muscles to prevent the collapse.

So I guess the stronger you are, the more "available" stiffer shoes would be. But even so, I'm against shoes that don't let the natural movement of the foot occur - the roll from heel to toe with a "bent" foot (toes up).

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Re: Plyometric give me Metatarsal Pain... >.<
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2014, 05:03:29 am »
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Guess I will only use good cushion shoes for plyometric from now on..

As of recovery from that inflamed tendon (which has been there for few months...)  any suggestion?
- Iceing it whenever I can?
- Stretching the Toe, flexing it up and down as much as I can?

I will skip this Sunday plyo session.. and use the rest time to reconsider and plan for my training need.



I notice in my recent pathetic jump test.... I am so slow during the approach.. the arm swing, the last 2 step,.. everything is slow. Particularly the loading phase

I had been reducing all the weight in the gym room and trying to squat, deadL, Clean explosively... but seems like there is still a pieces of missing link...
Kind of feel like I had been training to punch with dumbbell or weighted gloves all this year causing me not able to throw a fast much....  now I am unable to throw a lighting fast punch....even without resistance...

I wonder... if there is a way to train speed, agility... to speed up the way i go into the loading phase....Quick and explosively ran in to the 2 steps jump (instead of the slow mini hop stop to a jump)

I have to keep reviewing this pic... which is where i got few months back.....I cant gave up... not now.. :raging:

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Re: Plyometric give me Metatarsal Pain... >.<
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2014, 05:47:18 am »
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You could try Toddday's earning your steps in the run-up: first try one-step jumps... once you get good at them, and you're smooth, try using two steps in your run-up. And so on. Try to get progressively faster if you're using more and more steps. Also, try some relaxed jumps. If you tense up too much, that's the OPPOSITE of speed. To be fast you need to be relaxed. The jump should be just a "pulse" of tension and then relaxation follows to allow you to be very fast after you applied your strength.

Martial artists make this an art. When they break the blocks with a hit, it's a quick snap of tension followed by relaxation (for speed development) followed by tension again.