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Performance Area => Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros => Topic started by: scoobychau on May 31, 2014, 12:24:58 am
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the sore pain is at point A (top of my foot connecting to 2nd toe...
and at point C is where i had developed some hard thick skin...
back in the days i had some electric shock nerve pain at the left leg..., it was like half a year ago at least...
it was at that time that my toe have slight sore pain... seen the doctor... and it said.. i should just rest it out.
recently the pain get a bit annoying and more serious.. and now even my right leg have similar pain at the same toe.
any vertical trainer have similar experience? is rest the only thing i can do?
I discovered When i try to flex all the toe upward toward my shin, my 2nd toe.. is the only toe that wont flex up as much as the other toe..... :uhhhfacepalm:
in terms of high impact exercise, i only do a 1.5 hr plyometric session... per week...
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I mean....what is there to say scooby? If you're going to do a 90min plyometric session with (I'm estimating) 100+ ground contacts on concrete, you're gonna have a bad time. It's not rocket science. Of course you need to rest. You might be getting stress fractures which are an absolute bitch to deal with. The only serious injury I got as a junior was a stress fracture in my left toe, and it took several months to heal because I kept training on it. Of course, if your toe isn't coming up with the rest it could be a tendon problem, which, again, is an absolute nightmare. Either way, gotta stop with the plyos, no other option IMO.
Goddamn it man, we all want to see you slam it but you're your own worst enemy sometimes. You need to post regularly again so people can catch your fuckups before they get too bad.
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Yeah but these dunkers on youtube can dunk for hours... :(
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I couldn't imagine doing 90 minutes of plyometric activity especially on concrete :o
I would definitely recommend stopping that ASAP, if not I guarantee those injuries will get worse and even to the point of "sparking" more futuristic problems for yourself. I would take time off to heal and during that time try to find a better surface to train on, but regardless when it comes to the CNS and training to get better responses from it I believe a 90 minute session of plyo's is overkill. maybe that's just me though lol!
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I couldn't imagine doing 90 minutes of plyometric activity especially on concrete :o
I would definitely recommend stopping that ASAP, if not I guarantee those injuries will get worse and even to the point of "sparking" more futuristic problems for yourself. I would take time off to heal and during that time try to find a better surface to train on, but regardless when it comes to the CNS and training to get better responses from it I believe a 90 minute session of plyo's is overkill. maybe that's just me though lol!
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Nope, I agree, 90 min is definitely overkill especially for plyos.
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I mean....what is there to say scooby? If you're going to do a 90min plyometric session with (I'm estimating) 100+ ground contacts on concrete, you're gonna have a bad time. It's not rocket science. Of course you need to rest. You might be getting stress fractures which are an absolute bitch to deal with. The only serious injury I got as a junior was a stress fracture in my left toe, and it took several months to heal because I kept training on it. Of course, if your toe isn't coming up with the rest it could be a tendon problem, which, again, is an absolute nightmare. Either way, gotta stop with the plyos, no other option IMO.
Goddamn it man, we all want to see you slam it but you're your own worst enemy sometimes. You need to post regularly again so people can catch your fuckups before they get too bad.
that is correct.
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thanks acole14:
the 90 min....
consist of these ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VFxLoo4wts
may be i just took too long of rest?
ground contact is like as follow...
Depth Jumps 4x8
Side to Side Box Jumps 4x 8
Weighted Explosions 3x8
Medicine Ball Approach 4x6-8
Zig Zags 5set
Medicine Throws 3x8
Rim Jumps 4x 6-10
around 160.....
way too much? :huh:
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He took too long of a rest, guys
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hey raptor my man,
i know u spend quite a bit of time on this website and contribute to this community often.
pls be constructive and considerate as i look forward to your reply and support just like other members here.
peace pls.
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Seriously scooby... how many posts of good advice have you received over the YEARS and decided to completely ignore? You usually say "yeah, OK, I know" etc, and then prove the complete ignorance of said advice just a few hours (?) later by posting yet another vert guru saying this and that, and you saying you tried it and it got you injured.
I've seriously given up on you, there's no way you'll ever progress.
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nah scooby HAS progressed, raptor, you know that.
still, scooby, acole told you what the problem is. your volume is too high. stop doing so many ground contacts on concrete. it's not about rest periods. and actually, rest for a little bit, stay off your foot. i have a hard time with this, too. raptor is telling me in my thread to dial it back to active recovery today and i want to scream, but i think he's right.
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got the same "hurting bones in the balls of my feet" feeling after doing repetitive 36-40" altitude landings on gym hard wood flooring. to do it on concrete is just asking for an injury.
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Too many contacts for concrete as mentioned already. I'm surprised no one's asked yet but, what type/style of shoes are you doing this in? How old are the shoes? Condition of the insole and outsole?
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nah scooby HAS progressed, raptor, you know that.
still, scooby, acole told you what the problem is. your volume is too high. stop doing so many ground contacts on concrete. it's not about rest periods. and actually, rest for a little bit, stay off your foot. i have a hard time with this, too. raptor is telling me in my thread to dial it back to active recovery today and i want to scream, but i think he's right.
Thanks for the support LBSS, And I know where Raptor is coming from, he had seen me on this forum for many years... I understand how come he is frustrated at me... as I am frustrated about my progress also... But i always trying to learn and listen to suggestion with an open mind. I was so close at my peak much over the rim very possible to dunk 2 months ago before I changed my job.... but now I am going backward....
Too many contacts for concrete as mentioned already. I'm surprised no one's asked yet but, what type/style of shoes are you doing this in? How old are the shoes? Condition of the insole and outsole?
I used a 50% worn out addidas Rose TEAM Usa sneaker. Not the best cushion available. And I some time play like 30 min basketball post plyo...
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If i know i wont be balling after,
I wear addidas Boost runner. Suppose give u rebounce... but i am not sure the rebounce is a good thing or bad thing interms of plyometric... (rebounce give u joint pain?)
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I also have Leborn J X with full length Airmax... that should provide batter cushion but it is more heavy... and probably not good to Test vert with due to too much cushion.
I should and will alter the routine to limit jump/ground contact... like you guys suggest...
but finding a place with nice flooring will be tough.... We don have grass land where I live... even if there are, you are not permitted to STEP on it...
Finding a track with Red dirt or rubber flooring to do plyo is possible.... but there will be nothing for me to Jump off from....
thinking......
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Cushioning>all for training. Who cares if you jump an inch less during training? Hell (and maybe I'm in the minority here), I say cushioning/feel/physical wellness over all. Which is better: a 40" vert tested once then a ton of pain causing you to regress in training and performance or testing 37" repeatedly for awhile but being able to train consistently because you aren't hurting?
I can jump higher in an old pair of Iversons I have but it HURTS. I choose to wear my J's even though I don't jump as high because of whatever reason (extra cushioning, weight, etc) but I get to jump more and train more. In the long run I think that's the better approach.
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that's interesting, you'll find a lot of people on here favor jumping in the lightest/least-cushioned shoes possible. there's a minimum necessary, of course (except for avishek, who i've seen do a 35+ running jump in bare feet, on a track surface), but for the longest time i jumped exclusively in racing flats. adarq started me at least, and i know some others, on that path. now i've found some tennis shoes that weigh as little as my flats (~7.5 oz) but have that wide and flat sole. may eventually just go back to flats.
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Idk, I'd just rather have the extra cushioning to help my joints during training. Now, when/if I go to test my vert I usually pick the lightest shoes I have that can support my plant regardless of cushioning or 'comfort'.
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I actually prefer a lot of cushioning - I prefer running shoes that bend and diform, and that have a foam sole, and then I'm complaining that they deform too much and that I can't use too much speed because they'd just bend sideways and twist your ankle or something.
But if I try stiffer shoes, I collapse on almost ever jump attempt. The overload is just so tremendous to me. I think it's still lack of strength, it seems that I prefer to let the shock go in the connective tissues of the legs instead of using my muscles to prevent the collapse.
So I guess the stronger you are, the more "available" stiffer shoes would be. But even so, I'm against shoes that don't let the natural movement of the foot occur - the roll from heel to toe with a "bent" foot (toes up).
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Guess I will only use good cushion shoes for plyometric from now on..
As of recovery from that inflamed tendon (which has been there for few months...) any suggestion?
- Iceing it whenever I can?
- Stretching the Toe, flexing it up and down as much as I can?
I will skip this Sunday plyo session.. and use the rest time to reconsider and plan for my training need.
I notice in my recent pathetic jump test.... I am so slow during the approach.. the arm swing, the last 2 step,.. everything is slow. Particularly the loading phase
I had been reducing all the weight in the gym room and trying to squat, deadL, Clean explosively... but seems like there is still a pieces of missing link...
Kind of feel like I had been training to punch with dumbbell or weighted gloves all this year causing me not able to throw a fast much.... now I am unable to throw a lighting fast punch....even without resistance...
I wonder... if there is a way to train speed, agility... to speed up the way i go into the loading phase....Quick and explosively ran in to the 2 steps jump (instead of the slow mini hop stop to a jump)
I have to keep reviewing this pic... which is where i got few months back.....I cant gave up... not now.. :raging:
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You could try Toddday's earning your steps in the run-up: first try one-step jumps... once you get good at them, and you're smooth, try using two steps in your run-up. And so on. Try to get progressively faster if you're using more and more steps. Also, try some relaxed jumps. If you tense up too much, that's the OPPOSITE of speed. To be fast you need to be relaxed. The jump should be just a "pulse" of tension and then relaxation follows to allow you to be very fast after you applied your strength.
Martial artists make this an art. When they break the blocks with a hit, it's a quick snap of tension followed by relaxation (for speed development) followed by tension again.