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Hello from Serbia
« on: November 06, 2010, 04:10:23 pm »
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Hey everyone im 17 and im from Serbia, im a volleyball player and im playing basketball as well, im training volleyball for 6 years and never had a good vertical leap. I was 85kgs, but from last year till now i lost 10 kgs, so im good now :) Im writing here because i want help about my vertical, i want to spike volleyball much stronger and more important i want to dunk, yes im a volleyball player but i love basketball more :) Im about 1.83-1.84 ( i will write in centimeters and kilograms because its easier to me, we dont use inches and pounds here in Serbia) So my stats are: my standing reach is 239cm, about 75 kg, im not very muscular, my jump with one foot is about 57 cm= 22inches (very poor), 2 feet volleyball jump is little bit lower, i calculated i would need about 30 cm more to dunk. I wasnt doing any jump programs except just train volleyball, my friends got much bigger vertical leap than me and they were training just like me...  I was so despirate and i started doing air alert 3, thats the first program i found, started it 5 weeks ago and i dont see any results yet, i just saw little improovement of my 2 feet jump, nothing much. And thats it i hope you will help me cause i saw you have a lot of expiriance.
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Re: Hello from Serbia
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2010, 04:54:28 pm »
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Hey everyone im 17 and im from Serbia, im a volleyball player and im playing basketball as well, im training volleyball for 6 years and never had a good vertical leap. I was 85kgs, but from last year till now i lost 10 kgs, so im good now :) Im writing here because i want help about my vertical, i want to spike volleyball much stronger and more important i want to dunk, yes im a volleyball player but i love basketball more :) Im about 1.83-1.84 ( i will write in centimeters and kilograms because its easier to me, we dont use inches and pounds here in Serbia) So my stats are: my standing reach is 239cm, about 75 kg, im not very muscular, my jump with one foot is about 57 cm= 22inches (very poor), 2 feet volleyball jump is little bit lower, i calculated i would need about 30 cm more to dunk. I wasnt doing any jump programs except just train volleyball, my friends got much bigger vertical leap than me and they were training just like me...  I was so despirate and i started doing air alert 3, thats the first program i found, started it 5 weeks ago and i dont see any results yet, i just saw little improovement of my 2 feet jump, nothing much. And thats it i hope you will help me cause i saw you have a lot of expiriance.

welcome to the forum man.. ya it sounds like you need to get much stronger, in the weightroom, not doing some "stupid shit" like air alert :)

do you have access to a weight room ?

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Re: Hello from Serbia
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2010, 05:53:19 pm »
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Thanks on welcome, yes i do , i was last time in june, since i lost my weight i wasnt going much, because while i was going to the gym i stoped with growing, donno how but while i was at the gym (6 months) havent growed not a single cm, and from june till now i got 1-1.5cm more so i concluded i shouldnt go to the gym for lil bit more.

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Re: Hello from Serbia
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2010, 05:44:29 am »
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Thanks on welcome, yes i do , i was last time in june, since i lost my weight i wasnt going much, because while i was going to the gym i stoped with growing, donno how but while i was at the gym (6 months) havent growed not a single cm, and from june till now i got 1-1.5cm more so i concluded i shouldnt go to the gym for lil bit more.

well, to be honest, the weight training you did, at your age, shouldn't have had any effect on your growth.. as long as you aren't lifting 100% maximally, it wouldn't cause you to run that risk.. in fact, you get more of a hGH response by utilizing weight training than if you had not.. probably just a weird coincidence.

if you're not going to lift, you need to go hard on some bodyweight exercises and try to get really strong there.. lunges, glute bridges, calf raises, all kinds of stuff for the hamstrings, eventually phasing in drops/plyo stuff etc..

i need to write a bodyweight variation of the intro block so, when that's done it might help.. need to do that tomorrow if I'm not too busy.

for more in depth training info/critique check out the free coaching link in the menu bar, or the start here link, etc.. Journaling is important.

peace man

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Re: Hello from Serbia
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2010, 08:43:27 am »
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Yeah, maybe its  just a weird coincidence, cause a lot of people said that gym do not slow down your growth. Anyway, i decided to start going to the gym from the start of the next year, dont be hurry with that if you are busy, i have a lot of time, anyway i saw a little improovement today, without a warming which is  weird  i somehow dunked on 9.5ft rim, from one leg jump, even i dont know how i did it but it was pretty awesome i wasnt able to do that before. So i will work air alert for few more weeks, and i might combine your exercise on the days i dont work aa. Anyway thanks, i will start my journal ofc!

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Re: Hello from Serbia
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2010, 05:20:57 am »
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Yeah, maybe its  just a weird coincidence, cause a lot of people said that gym do not slow down your growth. Anyway, i decided to start going to the gym from the start of the next year, dont be hurry with that if you are busy, i have a lot of time, anyway i saw a little improovement today, without a warming which is  weird  i somehow dunked on 9.5ft rim, from one leg jump, even i dont know how i did it but it was pretty awesome i wasnt able to do that before.

good job man, all progress is good progress.


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So i will work air alert for few more weeks, and i might combine your exercise on the days i dont work aa. Anyway thanks, i will start my journal ofc!

you starting journal?

peace

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Re: Hello from Serbia
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2010, 07:28:58 am »
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Thanks, yeah, i will start it, i can write my progress of air alert and exercises you give me, and later i can write my progress in the gym.

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Re: Hello from Serbia
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2010, 08:12:10 am »
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Thanks, yeah, i will start it, i can write my progress of air alert and exercises you give me, and later i can write my progress in the gym.

For what is worth , my opinion is also to stop air alert. I did it , the whole 16 weeks , gained nothing , maybe 1'' and that was probably because of fat loss and not improving jumping ability itself.
Anyway , aside from the testimonials and everything , AA lacks some basic training principles , it is an ultra-high volume plyo workout , which is more or less totally useless if you lack basic strength.
If you want to give it a chance , go ahead , see if "habitual jump training" works , but maybe you would like to stop it and dedicate this time and effort to more solid and proven training methods and principles.
Just saying...
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: Hello from Serbia
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2010, 11:49:13 am »
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I just came back from basketball and turn on my pc to tell you that i am feeling great!!! I jumped about 6cm above the rim!!! Before air alert i could only touch it, and if i warm up i was able to go about 1cm above! So my opinion is that i will continue doing aa, and im waiting for your exercises adarqui! This week i had great muscle "imflamation" after i done my exercises, and i think first exercise " Leap ups" did its job, cause i had to do 2 sets x 50 reps and it was hard. Also my calfs muscles are stronger i think. And this program lasts 15 weeks not 16 ::) Anyway thanks on the reply VAG.

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Re: Hello from Serbia
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2010, 07:19:05 pm »
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This should be fun  ;D
re-evaluate, daniel-san, re-evaluate

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Re: Hello from Serbia
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2010, 03:35:26 am »
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This should be fun  ;D
Dont know in which sence "fun" but nevermind...

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Re: Hello from Serbia
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2010, 07:39:23 am »
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I don't mean to be rude, but what's the point of joining a website and asking questions if you are going to do what YOU think is good anyway and not gonna listen to the advice given?

My point is: you shouldn't think your workout is good just because you are tired/sore.
re-evaluate, daniel-san, re-evaluate

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Re: Hello from Serbia
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2010, 04:34:53 am »
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I don't mean to be rude, but what's the point of joining a website and asking questions if you are going to do what YOU think is good anyway and not gonna listen to the advice given?

My point is: you shouldn't think your workout is good just because you are tired/sore.

First of all i didnt say im not gona listen to this guy, just said that results for everyone are different, i wrote i got improovement (not only im tired and got sore),  he said he did 16 week program and gained 1'', and i did 7 weeks and alredy gained 3''? So i should stop it because he says he didnt got any improovement but i see myne??? Dont know what you think, but i joined here because adarqui is a great athlete just like many guys here and everyone got their opinion, but im not gona listen any opinion that someone give me. Its my decision.

This should be fun  ;D
And it looks like a rude... Sorry if i got you wrong.

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Re: Hello from Serbia
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2010, 06:47:25 am »
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hey man, sorry didn't put together that article yet, but here, check this out:

http://www.adarq.org/forum/progress-journals-experimental-routines/bobby%27s-journal/msg15792/#msg15792

here's the routine in it:

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site crashed yesterday, couldn't post.. sorry about that.

ok so, I think you should start doing a simple bodyweight routine, monday/wednesday/friday. Nothing fancy right off the bat, just general strengthening. Eventually we could incorporate more advanced methods and reactive work, but right now, your primary concern is just general strength, even though you don't have weights, you can get some nice gains with bodyweight work.

for clarification, AF means "almost failure", it simply means don't strain ridiculous on the last rep.. S1 or S2 or S3 etc mean supersets... anything labeled S1 means do all those exercises back to back, then rest after the final exercise.



Monday:
- WARMUP OR ALREADY WARMED UP FROM BASKETBALL

- S1: pullups: x AF
- S1: pushups: x AF
- S1: walking lunges: x 20 each leg
- S1-info: this is a superset, do each exercise back to back, then rest 2-3 minutes after the last exercise, repeat x 4 rotations

- S2: glute bridges: x AF (no more than 50)
- S2: standing calf raises, toes pointing straight: x AF (no more than 30)
- S2: unsupported situps: x AF
- S2-info: this is a superset, do each exercise back to back, then rest 2-3 minutes after the last exercise, repeat x 4 rotations

- CORE CIRCUIT: 3 exercises back to back, done for 30 seconds each, then rest 2 minutes, repeat 3x
-- choose from: v-ups, crunches, dead bug crunches, bicycle crunch, side pillars, situps, pikes, or anything else you like

- STRETCH
- PROTEIN





Wednesday:
- WARMUP OR ALREADY WARMED UP FROM BASKETBALL

- S1: chinups: x AF
- S1: feet elevated pushups: x AF
- S1: walking lunges with 5 seconds pause: x 10 each leg
- S1-info: this is a superset, do each exercise back to back, then rest 2-3 minutes after the last exercise, repeat x 4 rotations

- S2: single leg glute bridges: x AF (no more than 50)
- S2: standing calf raises, toes pointing inward: x AF (no more than 30)
- S2: unsupported situps: x AF
- S2-info: this is a superset, do each exercise back to back, then rest 2-3 minutes after the last exercise, repeat x 4 rotations

- CORE CIRCUIT: 3 exercises back to back, done for 30 seconds each, then rest 2 minutes, repeat 3x
-- choose from: v-ups, crunches, dead bug crunches, bicycle crunch, side pillars, situps, pikes, or anything else you like

- STRETCH
- PROTEIN







Friday:
- WARMUP OR ALREADY WARMED UP FROM BASKETBALL

- S1: neutral grip pullup: x AF
- S1: 5 sec pause pushups: x AF
- S1: quick lunges with 2sec pause between each rep: x 10 each leg
- S1-info: this is a superset, do each exercise back to back, then rest 2-3 minutes after the last exercise, repeat x 4 rotations

- S2: glute bridges: x AF (no more than 50)
- S2: standing calf raises, toes pointing inward: x AF (no more than 30)
- S2: unsupported situps: x AF
- S2-info: this is a superset, do each exercise back to back, then rest 2-3 minutes after the last exercise, repeat x 4 rotations

- CORE CIRCUIT: 3 exercises back to back, done for 30 seconds each, then rest 2 minutes, repeat 3x
-- choose from: v-ups, crunches, dead bug crunches, bicycle crunch, side pillars, situps, pikes, or anything else you like

- STRETCH
- PROTEIN




for clarification on quick lunges, and how i prefer lunges, check out the exercise index:
- http://www.adarq.org/forum/adarq-org-special-content/adarq-org-exercise-index/

for any other clarification, feel free to ask any questions.. this is just the 'break in phase' to a bodyweight program which would eventually incorporate more advanced methods.. but we have to get very good with the basics and make some decent gains here..

if you plan on trying this routine out, log each workout in this journal plz, so i can help you add things, make modifications, etc.

peace man!



if you plan on doing it, i'd start a journal, in the progress journals section, so that i can help you tweak it... volume/intensity should increase over time, that's the key, but that needs tweaking on an individual basis, plus i don't know your injury history and all that stuff..

so ya, if you wanna get good feedback, fill out that bio in free-coaching-article and drop it in progress-journals subforum, then journal your workouts, I can then help you tweak the template/sessions each week if needed.

peace man








also, i have no problem with people experimenting with air alert, the thing is, most often than not it leaves people with bum knees etc.. so if you know that going in and keep an eye on it, then you'll be easier to stop the program if you feel anything risky going on.. but some people do react well to that volume of reactive work/"habitual jump training" (lol).. so ya if he's getting results on it and feels healthy, i'd say ride out those gains until you stagnate considerably, finish the program, or any signs of overuse injuries.

peace (again)

hah

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Re: Hello from Serbia
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2010, 02:22:27 pm »
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Hey mate, no problem i got all the time of this world lol :) I will start my journal now, about air alert a lot of people complained on knee pain, if i get in that situation i will stop doing it ( i hope i wont ). I guess i finished with introducing myself haha :)