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adarqui · « **Reply #45 on:** February 14, 2011, 03:26:15 pm »

Quote from: Raptor on February 14, 2011, 08:36:54 am

Hm... not sure what to say. I was about to say that's a good indicator of explosive strength but at your strength levels and explosiveness displayed with snatches and cleans, I'm not really sure what your broad jump should be like...

that's a really good broad jump for her strength levels. 106 inches/2.70m

most high school/adult guys you test, they don't even break 100 on broad jump.

120" is the "magic number", that's very respectable at any level.

DamienZ · « **Reply #46 on:** February 14, 2011, 05:13:58 pm »

Quote from: adarqui on February 14, 2011, 03:26:15 pm

Quote from: Raptor on February 14, 2011, 08:36:54 am
Hm... not sure what to say. I was about to say that's a good indicator of explosive strength but at your strength levels and explosiveness displayed with snatches and cleans, I'm not really sure what your broad jump should be like...

that's a really good broad jump for her strength levels. 106 inches/2.70m

most high school/adult guys you test, they don't even break 100 on broad jump.

120" is the "magic number", that's very respectable at any level.

cool, i can do that... now respect me!

Raptor · « **Reply #47 on:** February 14, 2011, 05:27:28 pm »

I can't, so I demand disrespect from everybody. No excuses!

DamienZ · « **Reply #48 on:** February 14, 2011, 05:30:50 pm »

Quote from: Raptor on February 14, 2011, 05:27:28 pm

I can't, so I demand disrespect from everybody. No excuses!

NOW we have a reason to disrespect you...

adistarhj · « **Reply #49 on:** February 15, 2011, 02:36:22 am »

Stefan Holm's PB in standing broad jump is about 2,80m and his standing vert is 59cm. And he has jumped 2,40m in the high jump. So you don't have to be good at broad jumps to jump high/long.

Raptor · « **Reply #50 on:** February 15, 2011, 02:56:32 am »

Well yeah, you don't. He's more of a unilateral jumper (like, much more) and the special thing about him are probably his tendons/tendon stiffness, but he also has great strength. It depends on how you define "strength" though. I mean, he was doing stepups with 200 kg at 70 kg bodyweight.

He's very technically sound and has extremely good take-in put-out elastic ability.

adistarhj · « **Reply #51 on:** February 15, 2011, 03:27:25 pm »

Quote from: Raptor on February 15, 2011, 02:56:32 am

Well yeah, you don't. He's more of a unilateral jumper (like, much more) and the special thing about him are probably his tendons/tendon stiffness, but he also has great strength. It depends on how you define "strength" though. I mean, he was doing stepups with 200 kg at 70 kg bodyweight.

He's very technically sound and has extremely good take-in put-out elastic ability.

Yeah I know he's very strog (especially at step-ups) So he would most likely be good at the standing jumps, but he isn't. So imo it's not very much relation between the standing jumps and the ones with a run-up. Although, it's probably just a benefit being good at both!

(His tendon stiffness is a result of the training he's been doing though the years, and not something he was born with)

Raptor · « **Reply #52 on:** February 15, 2011, 04:24:26 pm »

Quote from: adistarhj on February 15, 2011, 03:27:25 pm

Quote from: Raptor on February 15, 2011, 02:56:32 am
Well yeah, you don't. He's more of a unilateral jumper (like, much more) and the special thing about him are probably his tendons/tendon stiffness, but he also has great strength. It depends on how you define "strength" though. I mean, he was doing stepups with 200 kg at 70 kg bodyweight.

He's very technically sound and has extremely good take-in put-out elastic ability.

Yeah I know he's very strog (especially at step-ups) So he would most likely be good at the standing jumps, but he isn't. So imo it's not very much relation between the standing jumps and the ones with a run-up. Although, it's probably just a benefit being good at both!

(His tendon stiffness is a result of the training he's been doing though the years, and not something he was born with)

Well know you're quoting that german documentary that compared Holm with Donald Thomas. You can choose to believe them or you can choose not to believe them. Just because they say it's not a natural born ability doesn't really mean it's written in stone and that they are absolutely true.

But yeah, jumps and plyos will stiffen your tendons. You still want some tendons to be stiff and some to be compliant. It's just important which are which.

Anyway, good step-up strength is specific to the one leg jump not the standing jump (when it comes to angles, muscle involvement etc) so they hardly correlate to the standing jump. Also, he's probably so used to the prestretch and preactivation using a high speed amortization phase that he isn't fond at all of using a slower/more muscle bound jump like a standing VJ. At the same time, there's more quad involved in a standing VJ than posterior chain, and that's probably a reason as well (he probably has a better developed posteroir chain than quads).

adistarhj · « **Reply #53 on:** February 15, 2011, 04:46:05 pm »

Quote from: Raptor on February 15, 2011, 04:24:26 pm

Quote from: adistarhj on February 15, 2011, 03:27:25 pm
Quote from: Raptor on February 15, 2011, 02:56:32 am
Well yeah, you don't. He's more of a unilateral jumper (like, much more) and the special thing about him are probably his tendons/tendon stiffness, but he also has great strength. It depends on how you define "strength" though. I mean, he was doing stepups with 200 kg at 70 kg bodyweight.

He's very technically sound and has extremely good take-in put-out elastic ability.

Yeah I know he's very strog (especially at step-ups) So he would most likely be good at the standing jumps, but he isn't. So imo it's not very much relation between the standing jumps and the ones with a run-up. Although, it's probably just a benefit being good at both!

(His tendon stiffness is a result of the training he's been doing though the years, and not something he was born with)

Well know you're quoting that german documentary that compared Holm with Donald Thomas. You can choose to believe them or you can choose not to believe them. Just because they say it's not a natural born ability doesn't really mean it's written in stone and that they are absolutely true.

But yeah, jumps and plyos will stiffen your tendons. You still want some tendons to be stiff and some to be compliant. It's just important which are which.

Anyway, good step-up strength is specific to the one leg jump not the standing jump (when it comes to angles, muscle involvement etc) so they hardly correlate to the standing jump. Also, he's probably so used to the prestretch and preactivation using a high speed amortization phase that he isn't fond at all of using a slower/more muscle bound jump like a standing VJ. At the same time, there's more quad involved in a standing VJ than posterior chain, and that's probably a reason as well (he probably has a better developed posteroir chain than quads).

Like I said

You don't need to be good at the standing jumps to be good at the other jumps.
(He was not only good at step-ups.. he deeeep squatted more than twice his bodyweight. So the quads should be quite strong as well)

But yes, I belive the documentary, actually!

Raptor · « **Reply #54 on:** February 16, 2011, 04:48:13 am »

Well if there's one thing I learned, it's that I should never trust "sports" documentaries. But that's just me.

Anyway, from what I can remember, he used to do work sets of 120 kg on his squats so yeah, that probably gives him a 1RM at ~2x his bodyweight.

The main factor is probably, again, his way of using momentum and leg pre-load. He's so used to utilize the pre-stretch and pre-load that the run-up gives him that he's not efficient generating voluntary power well at all. That and probably structure etc has something to do with it.

But yeah, you don't need to be good at the standing jumps to be good at the other jumps like you said. If you're into athletics, it's rare to use a bilateral jump anyway, so you need to pretty much focus, in terms of specificity, to the unilateral jump training.

adarqui · « **Reply #55 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:14:14 pm »

sick vid, look at the bounce on those skip-bounds, nutty.

Raptor · « **Reply #56 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:39:38 pm »

Ridiculous. Wonder if she'll try double arm swings for the bounds.

Also, she could probably have that heel run a bit more towards the butt and don't let it hang back when she sprints. You know, "imagine it's a glass wall at your back" kind of thing. At least, this is what I see in terms of possible improvements.

joshsherrod1978 · « **Reply #57 on:** February 22, 2011, 02:24:05 am »

Quote from: adarqui on February 01, 2011, 09:35:12 pm

great vid ^^

what are some of your projected maxes on hang snatch, hang clean, and deep squat? Your deep squat looks good which is pretty insane considering you seem to have ridiculously long femurs.

Wondering about the lifts so we can get an idea of strength/power to bodyweight ratios.

pc

wow!!! very impressive

ssr7 · « **Reply #58 on:** February 22, 2011, 03:05:05 pm »

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sick vid, look at the bounce on those skip-bounds, nutty.

DANG! If only female basketball players could get up like that...

lamp · « **Reply #59 on:** February 22, 2011, 07:27:13 pm »

yeah on the sprint it looks as if she could get more glute involvement as well. she still seems to be a bit of a "push runner" at least if i am looking at it correctly.

skips look really impressive though...awesome

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