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Title: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: LanceSTS on November 21, 2010, 03:12:32 am
Effective and Time Effecient Upper Body Training For Athletes


Lately, one of the most frequently asked questions I have been getting is how to incorporate upper body strength training into a vertical jump program. What are good exercises?, How many sets?, How many reps? How often? All of these are good questions and very frequently asked so I am going to outline an upperbody split that everyone can customize to fit their specific needs.

First of all, a push/pull type split for the main exercises is hard to beat when it comes to upper body training for an athlete. The exercises actually potentiate each other and instead of hammering away at all your pressing or pulling muscles one after another, you hit the pressing muscles hard, then, while they are recovering, you hit the pulling muscles which are not yet fatigued. This translates to more total poundage being used, better time management, and a structurally sound program that works both sides of the body equally. An example of a push/pull type routine is a bench press, followed by a inverted row, or a push press followed by a pull up. I will go into more detail on how to set this up below, vertical push/vertical pull and horizontal push/horizontal pull is a great way to set it up.


Next, sets and reps can be very confusing and hard to decide on a plan. Do too many sets and your workout takes forever, cuts into your recovery time, and detracts from your original goal of improving your vertical jump. Do to little, and you dont progress. So whats the answer? How can we incorporate a set/rep scheme into our upper body training plan that allows us to stimulate the body enough to progress, yet is time effecient and doesnt detract from our recovery from our plyometric and lower body intensive training schedule? Welcome to rest-pause training! Now the way we use rest-pause training is a little different than typical bodybuilding style rest-pause methods, remember, we are ATHLETES, not bodybuilders. Potentiation methods, explosive reps, and different exercise selection are key here, the time between sets and progressions will be similar.

So what exactly is rest-pause training? Simply put, we are going to take an exercise, ramp up to a weight that we can move explosively for at least 5 reps, and do 3 sets of as many reps as possible in solid form, resting 30-45seconds or the time it takes you to take 15 deep breaths between sets, and add up the total repetitions we completed in the three sets for our total. This three set total, regardless of the total of each individual set, is what we have to beat the next time we repeat the exercise. Lets say your doing standing press, you will work up to a weight that feels somewhat challenging, yet can still be moved explosively without sticking. Your build up or warm up sets are 3-5 reps, the idea is not to fatigue the body but to ramp up the nervous system. Once you hit that weight, whatever it may be, you are going to perform your first set. Get as many reps as possible while maintaing solid form, rest for 15 breaths (take long, deep, breaths) or 30-45 seconds, perform the 2nd set the same exact way, rest for 15 breaths or 30-45 seconds, and then do the same for a third. Total these three sets up and write the number down in your journal. Once you come back to this exercise, you have to either beat the rep total, or add weight to the exercise and get a similar rep total. ALWAYS PROGRESS!! you have 3 sets to beat what you did the last time, this makes it very realistic for you to improve in a linear fashion since you arent worried about beating just one set like in a traditional approach. If you did the press, the weight you used was 150lbs and you got 7 reps, 5 reps, and 3 reps, then your total is 15 reps at 150lbs. The next time you press, you either need to get 16 reps at 150lbs, or 13-15 reps at 155 lbs. Once your rep total exceeds 25 total reps, you need to add weight to the exercise. If your rep total does not exceed 12 reps, you need to reduce the weight or stay there if you think you can hit 12 or more total the next time. Very simple and very effective way to progress. You will be in and out of the gym in no time and progressing constantly if you adhere to these guidelines.

Okay, so we know that we want a push/pull upper body setup, and we know that we want to use rest-pause set/rep schemes when performing them. Below I am going to give an example of how to set this up using two different upper body workouts (important to have at least two different templates so progression will be possible workout to workout), and how to incorporate assistance type exercises into the plan. The guidelines will be the same, you can adjust the exercises any way you like, just adhere to the structure of the template.

Upper body day 1- (monday)

Bench Press- ramp up in sets of 5 to a weight that feels challenging, but you could easily get 2 or 3 more explosive reps with. Perform 3 rest-pause sets and total the results.

Recline Pull ups- ramp up in sets of 5 to a weight that feels challenging but could be easily done for 2-3 more explosive reps. Perform 3 rest-pause sets and total the results

(Assistance work)

paralell bar dips- 2 rest pause sets with a moderate weight.

standing bicep curls- 2 rest pause sets with a moderate weight.

shoulder prehabilitation- band pull apart + overhead shrug- 2 sets of 20 reps w/light load, no rest pause sets.



Upper body day 2- (thursday)

Standing Press- ramp up in sets of 5, perform 3 rest pause sets and total the results.

Pull up (weighted if need be)- ramp up in sets of 5, perform 3 rest pause sets and total the results.

(Assistance work)

Close grip bench press- 2 rest pause sets w/ a moderate weight.

Seated dumbell curl- 2 rest pause sets w/a moderate weight.


** Once you have established a rest-pause total for a given exercise with a certain weight you will know exactly where to end your ramping, warm up sets. Log everything you do and next time you come back to it, DESTROY your previous rep total, or add more weight! Simple but extremely effective!

Okay, so thats about it, hope everyone has a good idea how to implement this type of loading now and can start getting their upper body stronger, more explosive, and in the least amount of time neccessary for growth. This type of loading can go on infinitely but as with any type of program, once you accomodate to the exact same exercise and have not progressed either by adding more weight or more total reps in successive training sessions, just swap the exercise out for another one, then when you come back to it later on you will be able to beat your best performance very shortly
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: LanceSTS on November 21, 2010, 03:13:37 am

There are many other ways of incorporating rest-pause style training into training routines and alot of them are extremely effective as well. I want to share one method of incorporating shorter pauses, specifically designed to improve 1 rep max strength in a very short time period. Note that this particular method is much more CNS intensive than the method I shared earlier but incorporating into your workout plan every once in a while can give you a tremendous gain in strength as well as hypertrophy. What you are going to do is take your 2-3 rep max on a compound exercise such as a bench press or a squat, and perform 10 singles with that weight, adjusting the pause between reps to lower and lower time periods each consecutive workout. Lets take the bench press for example. We will use an athlete with a 3 rep max of 225 on the bench press for our example. Session 1 would look like this:

Bench Press- 225 x 1, rack the weight, rest 45 seconds, 225x1, rack weight, rest 45 seconds, etc. etc.

So he will perform 1 rep with 225 (his 3 rep max) every 45 seconds, for 10 total sets. Session 2 would be the exact same 225 x 1 rep for 10 sets, but the rest period would be cut down to 30 seconds between rest-pause sets. So session 2 would look like this:

Bench Press- 225x1, rack weight, rest 30 seconds, 225x1, rack weight, rest 30 seconds, etc. etc.

In session 2 we have the exact same total weight moved, but in less time, effectively raising the intensity without asking too much from the body. Session 3 would be 225x 1 rep for 10 sets but the rest period would be cut down to 15 seconds between rest-pause sets. When you get to session 4 it is more realistic to use 10 second rest intervals, then in session 5 he would perform 225 for 10 consecutive reps, turning what was once his 3 rep max into his 10 rep max! Not bad results in 5 sessions! This type of loading is most effective when performed once per week, (in this case on the horizontal push/horizontal pull workout), and with only one exercise per session. Using lifts that you can start from the bottom pins in a power rack like bench press and squats are very effective with this type of loading, you simply set the pins at the bottom of the lift, start at the bottom, and return to the pins after each rep. You can use it with traditionally performed eccentric/concentric lifts as well, just make sure to have adequate safety measures such as a spotter or pins in place.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: aiir on November 21, 2010, 02:18:27 pm
Amazing method, this thing helped me get ridiculous gains on all my lifts, can vouch for it.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: Raptor on November 23, 2010, 02:37:39 pm
I'm going to try this right now, I'm going to the gym, going to do overhead presses and pull-ups. Well, and some deadlifts after these.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: LanceSTS on November 23, 2010, 03:40:30 pm
I'm going to try this right now, I'm going to the gym, going to do overhead presses and pull-ups. Well, and some deadlifts after these.

Nice, let me know how it goes.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: Tam on November 24, 2010, 08:44:20 am
Lance, what do you think about something like this for upperbody when training to increasing vertical jump :

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/lactic_acid_training_for_fat_loss

Currently trying to lose some fat,which i have not got a lot to lose. Do you think its counter productive when training for Vertical jump? Done two workouts so far and surprisingly jumped very well the next day after the chest and back day, but was thinking it could make you fell worn out as the weeks progress.


Thanks.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: LanceSTS on November 24, 2010, 10:17:37 am
  I think it would be fine Tam, if you are still able to progress on your lower body days and jump/plyo training then its all good.  Poloquin has some good ideas regarding hypertrophy and fat loss, he goes a little overboard sometime (like with the growth hormone statement), but for the most part people seem to be pleased with his methods in those areas.  As long as you are able to progress the weights used  there is no reason why that wouldnt work for upper body training.  I dont think using that set up for upper body would be too draining to cause problems in your vj specific training.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: BMully on December 06, 2010, 09:08:38 pm
THANKS!!! LANCE YOUR A GENIUS
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: LanceSTS on December 08, 2010, 10:12:27 pm
THANKS!!! LANCE YOUR A GENIUS

Lol, thanks bmully.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
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Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
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Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: JayC on June 21, 2011, 02:48:22 am
How do you add weight to recline pull-ups?
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: LanceSTS on June 21, 2011, 03:01:09 am
put a plate in your lap/chest, chains around torso, bands, or increase the angle of the pull. You can also simply use one leg to put on the ground/box rather than two, making the degree of difficulty higher immediately.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: Raptor on June 21, 2011, 03:10:13 am
How do you add weight to recline pull-ups?

Can we please get back to proper grammar?
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: JayC on June 21, 2011, 11:56:03 am
Lol, sorry English isn't my first language..

Thanks for the reply Lance.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: D4 on February 15, 2012, 10:43:24 pm



Bench Press- 225 x 1, rack the weight, rest 45 seconds, 225x1, rack weight, rest 45 seconds, etc. etc.

So he will perform 1 rep with 225 (his 3 rep max) every 45 seconds, for 10 total sets. Session 2 would be the exact same 225 x 1 rep for 10 sets, but the rest period would be cut down to 30 seconds between rest-pause sets. So session 2 would look like this:

Bench Press- 225x1, rack weight, rest 30 seconds, 225x1, rack weight, rest 30 seconds, etc. etc.



Hey Lance, when using this method, would it also be effective to do something like using 45 second resting intervals only, and instead of shortening the time each session, adding 5 lbs instead?
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: LanceSTS on February 15, 2012, 11:32:06 pm



Bench Press- 225 x 1, rack the weight, rest 45 seconds, 225x1, rack weight, rest 45 seconds, etc. etc.

So he will perform 1 rep with 225 (his 3 rep max) every 45 seconds, for 10 total sets. Session 2 would be the exact same 225 x 1 rep for 10 sets, but the rest period would be cut down to 30 seconds between rest-pause sets. So session 2 would look like this:

Bench Press- 225x1, rack weight, rest 30 seconds, 225x1, rack weight, rest 30 seconds, etc. etc.



Hey Lance, when using this method, would it also be effective to do something like using 45 second resting intervals only, and instead of shortening the time each session, adding 5 lbs instead?

Time is a much easier variable to manipulate than poundage, if you tried adding 5lbs each session you would stall very very quickly.  Once youve completed the entire rest paused set without the pauses, then you will have built enough strength over the course of the cycle to add more resistance.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: D4 on February 15, 2012, 11:42:18 pm
I see, alright I'm excited to get into this.  Started it today and it is a fun routine that gets me excited to go to the gym.  Gonna start Monday with 225lbs on squat and 185lbs on bench press.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: LanceSTS on February 16, 2012, 10:36:08 am
I see, alright I'm excited to get into this.  Started it today and it is a fun routine that gets me excited to go to the gym.  Gonna start Monday with 225lbs on squat and 185lbs on bench press.


 Thats great man, good luck with it and train hard.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: D4 on February 29, 2012, 11:25:58 pm
Hey Lance, so I've been going with this routine for the Bench Press at 180lbs.  I successfully did 45 seconds, 30 seconds, 15 seconds, and today I just did 10 seconds but I failed on the 10th rep...

Should I re-do this on my next session?  Or you think I should just go and try no resting 10 reps?
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: LanceSTS on March 01, 2012, 10:24:23 am
Hey Lance, so I've been going with this routine for the Bench Press at 180lbs.  I successfully did 45 seconds, 30 seconds, 15 seconds, and today I just did 10 seconds but I failed on the 10th rep...

Should I re-do this on my next session?  Or you think I should just go and try no resting 10 reps?


go back and do the 10 second rest intervals again, if you dont complete that session its very unlikely you will make all 10 reps consecutively the next time you try.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: D4 on March 05, 2012, 10:15:24 pm
Hey Lance, so I've been going with this routine for the Bench Press at 180lbs.  I successfully did 45 seconds, 30 seconds, 15 seconds, and today I just did 10 seconds but I failed on the 10th rep...

Should I re-do this on my next session?  Or you think I should just go and try no resting 10 reps?


go back and do the 10 second rest intervals again, if you dont complete that session its very unlikely you will make all 10 reps consecutively the next time you try.

Gotcha. 

Also Lance, so far I have gotten through 45,30,and 15seconds on my 225lb Squats.  What I noticed is that the first 3 singles are usually the hardest, and then the singles get easier for some reason.  Shouldn't it get harder as the set of 10 singles goes on?  What is the reasoning for this?  Is it that my CNS is getting more charged or something?


My warm up usually goes like this:
Bar x 10
95 x 8
135 x 6
185 x 3
205 x 1
245 x 1
295 x 0 <-- 10 seconds unrack
225 x 10 x 1
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: LanceSTS on March 05, 2012, 11:16:49 pm
  Thats the thing with rest paused style reps, as you rest you have just enough time to focus on the next rep and really get in the groove of the exercise, both neurally and mechanically.  Instead of building so much fatigue that your rep performance is getting worse and worse, you can actually get better and better as the workout goes on.  Once you get to the continuous set youll often notice that you treat each rep individually as its own set rather than rush through sloppily stringing together several bad reps just to finish the set.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: chrisbro1 on March 06, 2012, 01:10:17 pm

Lets take the bench press for example. We will use an athlete with a 3 rep max of 225 on the bench press for our example. Session 1 would look like this:

Bench Press- 225 x 1, rack the weight, rest 45 seconds, 225x1, rack weight, rest 45 seconds, etc. etc.

So he will perform 1 rep with 225 (his 3 rep max) every 45 seconds, for 10 total sets. Session 2 would be the exact same 225 x 1 rep for 10 sets, but the rest period would be cut down to 30 seconds between rest-pause sets. So session 2 would look like this:

Bench Press- 225x1, rack weight, rest 30 seconds, 225x1, rack weight, rest 30 seconds, etc. etc.

Would this work at a higher bench like 300?  Just plugging #'s in a one rep max calculator, when going from a 3 to 10 rep max, the est one rep max @ 225 only jumps 62lbs from 238 to 300, at 300 it jumps 82 from 318 to 400, which is a huge increase that I would think would take at least 12 months to achieve.  Also, would you recommend the 15s jumps for that weight or smaller decrements like 5s?  45s to 30s seem doable but the jump from 30 to 15s seems impossible.   

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: LanceSTS on March 06, 2012, 04:51:34 pm

Lets take the bench press for example. We will use an athlete with a 3 rep max of 225 on the bench press for our example. Session 1 would look like this:

Bench Press- 225 x 1, rack the weight, rest 45 seconds, 225x1, rack weight, rest 45 seconds, etc. etc.

So he will perform 1 rep with 225 (his 3 rep max) every 45 seconds, for 10 total sets. Session 2 would be the exact same 225 x 1 rep for 10 sets, but the rest period would be cut down to 30 seconds between rest-pause sets. So session 2 would look like this:

Bench Press- 225x1, rack weight, rest 30 seconds, 225x1, rack weight, rest 30 seconds, etc. etc.

Would this work at a higher bench like 300?  Just plugging #'s in a one rep max calculator, when going from a 3 to 10 rep max, the est one rep max @ 225 only jumps 62lbs from 238 to 300, at 300 it jumps 82 from 318 to 400, which is a huge increase that I would think would take at least 12 months to achieve.  Also, would you recommend the 15s jumps for that weight or smaller decrements like 5s?  45s to 30s seem doable but the jump from 30 to 15s seems impossible.   

Thanks in advance.

It will work it just takes more sessions to complete the goal (timed rests) than it would for a beginner.  For example, you may have to do the 30 second rest interval a few times to successfully complete the workout where a less experienced trainee may only need to perform it once.  The thing is, youre still using progressive overload, still getting a solid amount of high intensity volume, so youre progressing still just not as quickly poundage wise.  15 seconds still works very well for progression, but if you dont hit your quota in those intervals, simply take a few minutes, and start back where you left off.

If you just completed 10 reps of 275 with 45 seconds rest and are scheduled for 275 x 10 w 30 secs, and you get 5 reps done but cant get 6, just stop for a minute, regroup, and come back for the final 5 reps.  Do this as often as needed, but dont move on to the next interval until you complete the previous without the extended rests.

 Those rep max calculators are very very hit or miss at anything over a 5rm, estimating 1rm from a 10rm is a crap shoot at best so I wouldnt read too much into those.   
Title: Re: Effective and Time Effecient Upper body *(and lower) Training for Athletes
Post by: Raptor on March 06, 2012, 05:04:45 pm
Those rep max calculators are very very hit or miss at anything over a 5rm, estimating 1rm from a 10rm is a crap shoot at best so I wouldnt read too much into those.   

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