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Performance Area => Nutrition & Supplementation => Topic started by: adarqui on October 05, 2016, 03:07:40 pm
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http://nypost.com/2016/10/03/marathon-training-made-me-fat/
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/marathon_ledford_duo1a.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1328&h=882&crop=1)
Becki Ledford in April 2013 (left) and April 2016. Ledford gained about 25 pounds over the course of a few years, because she'd drink more sugary beverages and eat carb-heavy meals while training for races.
HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!#@$@$!@$
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Man I see so many fat runners around it's not funny, mainly women. They pound the gels like they're going out of business even on a 5 or 10k. No wonder the're putting on weight.
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Man I see so many fat runners around it's not funny, mainly women. They pound the gels like they're going out of business even on a 5 or 10k. No wonder the're putting on weight.
i can't imagine getting fat while training for a marathon.. i never use gels (or ingest anything when running), i eat light, and sometimes i have to force food into me after my evening session -> too beat down from a session to want to eat (and actually not hungry).
i just don't get why/how you would allow yourself to balloon up knowing that adding extra fat will make you slower, ESPECIALLY over the course of a marathon........... wtf? :uhhhfacepalm:
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Man I see so many fat runners around it's not funny, mainly women. They pound the gels like they're going out of business even on a 5 or 10k. No wonder the're putting on weight.
i can't imagine getting fat while training for a marathon.. i never use gels (or ingest anything when running), i eat light, and sometimes i have to force food into me after my evening session -> too beat down from a session to want to eat (and actually not hungry).
i just don't get why/how you would allow yourself to balloon up knowing that adding extra fat will make you slower, ESPECIALLY over the course of a marathon........... wtf? :uhhhfacepalm:
That's probably another part of the equation. Are they actually improving their times and getting faster?
Unlike sprinting where it's all about time with marathons and half-marathons etc. the achievement for a lot of people is just being able to finish the race. It sounds like these people are just training to run marathons more for the social aspect of it and to say that they finished 'x' number of marathons because most people (myself included) know nothing about the times and what's fast for a marathon, but are impressed with people that can do them.
In fairness she was already chubby to begin with. She went from chubby to obese.
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this article boils down to, i started eating more and gained weight.
yeah, no shit.
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Man I see so many fat runners around it's not funny, mainly women. They pound the gels like they're going out of business even on a 5 or 10k. No wonder the're putting on weight.
I see this at the gym soo often! People will be walking along on the treadmill at a brisk pace and they'll be sucking down on a sports drink like Gatorade, which contains hundreds of calories. So they will barely even burn the calories off that they consumed from the sports drink in their workout, let alone their meal afterwards, in which they'll probably eat more as they are 'hungry' from exercising.
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It's the old mindfuck of doing exercise and then feeling entitled to those extra "carbs" that you burnt during the session. I also blame Garmin, Strava, etc. A girl I know did the 1,000 steps a few times which is a big hill with near enough to 1,000 steps set in a nice forest like atmosphere. She walked this twice and her Garmin watch estimated she had burnt over 1,800 cals or something stupid like that. All of a sudden she doesn't feel so bad about the post sesh maccas run or whatever food she ate to "replenish her glycogen".
Btw, kind of related but heard the best acronym from a running trainer the other day. AOA (Adult onset athlete). Absolute pisser because it pretty much describes every adult female runner I see these days (my wife excluded).
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Man I see so many fat runners around it's not funny, mainly women. They pound the gels like they're going out of business even on a 5 or 10k. No wonder the're putting on weight.
i can't imagine getting fat while training for a marathon.. i never use gels (or ingest anything when running), i eat light, and sometimes i have to force food into me after my evening session -> too beat down from a session to want to eat (and actually not hungry).
i just don't get why/how you would allow yourself to balloon up knowing that adding extra fat will make you slower, ESPECIALLY over the course of a marathon........... wtf? :uhhhfacepalm:
That's probably another part of the equation. Are they actually improving their times and getting faster?
Unlike sprinting where it's all about time with marathons and half-marathons etc. the achievement for a lot of people is just being able to finish the race. It sounds like these people are just training to run marathons more for the social aspect of it and to say that they finished 'x' number of marathons because most people (myself included) know nothing about the times and what's fast for a marathon, but are impressed with people that can do them.
In fairness she was already chubby to begin with. She went from chubby to obese.
This attitude pisses me off to no end. Person starts running. Does a 5k in 45 mins. Figures they'll do a 10, then a half, etc. Happy just to finish a marathon in 6+ hours. I mean what the fuck??? Why not get a fucking decent time on your 5, then 10 and then if you're capable push for higher distances. I know people doing ultra marathons that have no business doing a 10k. It's ludicrous. I mean know everyone's got their own goals but the term happy just to finish should probably be left for losing your virginity.
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This my favourite thread at the moment, lol. Don't have much to add but was wondernig, im tallking to a girl who is constantly collecting medals for marathons .. and i know she does it to raise money for charity which is cool but i wonder what her times are like, dont really wanna ask tho in case it's mediocre and i have to feign acceptance
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This my favourite thread at the moment, lol. Don't have much to add but was wondernig, im tallking to a girl who is constantly collecting medals for marathons .. and i know she does it to raise money for charity which is cool but i wonder what her times are like, dont really wanna ask tho in case it's mediocre and i have to feign acceptance
Haha yeah might be best not to ask. Keep some mystery to the relationship on that front :D
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It's the old mindfuck of doing exercise and then feeling entitled to those extra "carbs" that you burnt during the session. I also blame Garmin, Strava, etc. A girl I know did the 1,000 steps a few times which is a big hill with near enough to 1,000 steps set in a nice forest like atmosphere. She walked this twice and her Garmin watch estimated she had burnt over 1,800 cals or something stupid like that. All of a sudden she doesn't feel so bad about the post sesh maccas run or whatever food she ate to "replenish her glycogen".
Btw, kind of related but heard the best acronym from a running trainer the other day. AOA (Adult onset athlete). Absolute pisser because it pretty much describes every adult female runner I see these days (my wife excluded).
LOL!
They are probably the same types of people who are overweight/obese but insist that they eat healthy and are on these ridiculous gluten free/gourmet/organic 'diets' where everything is 3x the price of normal food.
As for ultra marathons one of my colleagues at work today was having a subtle brag about doing them. He pointed at his gut and said to my female colleague "it doesn't look like it, but I've just completed an ultra marathon recently so I can have my mornings free now".
Good on people for going out there and exercising, but it seems like exercise has become a lot more about socializing and wearing all the latest 'fitness gear and apparel' than it has about actually training. Oh yeah that reminds me all these whales on my facebook were whinging about Lorna Jane not selling any fitness clothing in sizes above 14.
Some of the comments were:
"Big people want to exercise, are told exercise will help them be healthy, lose weight and get smaller. But it's a huge barrier (pardon the pun) to exercise if you can't be clothed to do so".
"So many fit crossfit women wouldn't fit in her clothes and they are some of the fittest, strongest and gorgeous looking women ever!!"
" I am a plus size and cannot buy any active wear that I would be happy to wear, unless I wear black. I wantto be bright and happy while I am walking not stodgy and dowdy...come on give us a break".
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only problem i have with "Adult Onset Athlete" is that it seems meant to mock a really good impulse, which is to try to get fit after, often, a lifetime of being sedentary. i'm cool with basically anything that gets people motivated and working hard. i certainly have views about what would be more or less optimal for different people, but the specifics are far less important than just putting in some kind of work. people who aren't fit are often self-conscious about it, especially around people who are. gyms can be intimidating. jumping into something new can be intimidating. positive reinforcement is everything IME.
that said, coges, i'm with you: it'd be better for people to run a few 5ks until they've improved a fair amount, then move up to 10k, etc., and probably never to run a marathon. if people ask me, that's what i say. (on the other hand, "happy to finish" would not describe my virginity-losing experience, because i think it took me about 45 seconds, hahaha :'().
body-shaming people is gross and mean.
also, maxent, what would be an acceptable marathon time for a marathon-running love interest? if this woman has run more than one then she's probably pretty fit and committed. if you're attracted mainly to super competitive people, then i can see why you'd care. but if not, what's the difference if she runs them in 3 or 4 hours, or if she's improving her times? not everyone is crazy competitive or motivated to improve and improve.
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that article really is irritating, though. lot of misleading shit.
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Came across this today and noticed this gem:
But sometimes, eating too little can also help pack on the pounds. Elbaz attributes her double-digit weight gain to consuming too few calories, which can cause your metabolism to drop. “She became inefficient at burning calories,” says dietitian Heidi Skolnik, meaning Elbaz’s body stored excess calories as fat, rather than using them as energy.
:uhhhfacepalm:
Eat too much? Gain weight.
Eat too little? Lose weight.
So wtf do you think the answer is, people?
Do prisoners of war get fat before they get skinny???
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your metabolism really does slow down when you're eating below maintenance. so what previously felt like a maintenance level of calories, or even a below-maintenance level, can become a surplus.
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your metabolism really does slow down when you're eating below maintenance. so what previously felt like a maintenance level of calories, or even a below-maintenance level, can become a surplus.
Yes it does, but if you read the quote in it's entirety it is certainly incorrect. If she truly ate so little calories to the point where her metabolism slowed, she would have lost weight in the process. And then she would have reached maintenance eventually (depending on how large the deficit is) and still not gained weight! Later in the article another runner says she finally lost weight by eating more calories instead... it just doesn't add up!
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im all for AOA .. but like coges/lbss said, (as far as running goes) make some progress in shorter distances before you basically limp 26 miles. I witnessed this in person when I went to that social run meetup a few months ago.. This guy who was basically near-death after 2 miles, was talking about how he has a 50 mile Ultra in January or whatever.. I was just thinking wtf? I guess for some people it's bragging rights (he was kind-of coming off like a badass)... or perhaps it does give them a great sense of accomplishment.... or both. Just seems like there's definitely a large component of ego/bragging rights to me.
It does seem like people have a checklist of marathons they want to complete, even if it takes them well over 3 hours.. Completed: Chicago, Boston, NY, SF ..... They love to travel and add these marathons to their checklist. It's cool, but it does seem like alot of people rush into it.
As far as ones body goes.. if you plan to take running seriously, there's absolutely no excuse to be fat (eventually). It's like saying I want to be a free-solo climber (from the doc i watched yesterday), and here I am in the obese category. Makes no sense -> Imminent death. I imagine those joints are going to take much more of a pounding with all of that excess bodyweight - especially if they are doing marathons .. It can't be too great as one ages.
The crazy thing is.. if people who balloon up while training for marathons, just had more self control.. They'd probably have enjoyed running soooo much more. It's generally easier when you're lighter, form improves, you can go faster, times improve, you look "better", you can run more, you recover faster, you'd probably get injured less, eating like a pig makes you feel sluggish, you'd probably be healthier overall etc.
Being fat sucks. I became fat once in my life due to ~3 years of detraining and unhealthy eating habits, so I speak from experience. Crazy to think I can speak from experience about being fat....... wtf? mind blown.
I'm not for fat shaming.. BUT, I am also not for condoning excessive levels of fat from eating "crap/junk" & excessive alcohol consumption. Seems like it's becoming more acceptable lately. But that's just my opinion on it. On the flipside, i've been skinny shamed alot in my life.. lmfao.
pc!!
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@lbss & @adarqui
Agree on fat shaming. If someone is out there trying to improve themselves then fantastic and good on then. Like adarqui I've been skinny shamed for most of my life although it never really bothered me.
I'm not sure if I sound like a douche when I say this but my main issue with anyone entering an athletic endeavour is settling for mediocrity. We can't all be world beaters but we should understand where we stand in the grand scheme of things and be comfortable using ourselves as our main source of competition to be better every day. This is the issue with AOA. There are two running groups in my area (predominately women in their 30's and 40's) who celebrate their mediocrity and shame those who strive to be better. They're also the first ones to call themselves athletes and marathoners even if they finish in 5-6 hours. Just because you can run doesn't make you a runner.
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@lbss & @adarqui
Agree on fat shaming. If someone is out there trying to improve themselves then fantastic and good on then. Like adarqui I've been skinny shamed for most of my life although it never really bothered me.
I'm not sure if I sound like a douche when I say this but my main issue with anyone entering an athletic endeavour is settling for mediocrity. We can't all be world beaters but we should understand where we stand in the grand scheme of things and be comfortable using ourselves as our main source of competition to be better every day. This is the issue with AOA. There are two running groups in my area (predominately women in their 30's and 40's) who celebrate their mediocrity and shame those who strive to be better. They're also the first ones to call themselves athletes and marathoners even if they finish in 5-6 hours. Just because you can run doesn't make you a runner.
bolded is the only part that matters, to me. if they want to call themselves athletes and celebrate their mediocrity, who cares? if they want to slag on other people for trying harder then fuck them.
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@lbss & @adarqui
Agree on fat shaming. If someone is out there trying to improve themselves then fantastic and good on then. Like adarqui I've been skinny shamed for most of my life although it never really bothered me.
I'm not sure if I sound like a douche when I say this but my main issue with anyone entering an athletic endeavour is settling for mediocrity. We can't all be world beaters but we should understand where we stand in the grand scheme of things and be comfortable using ourselves as our main source of competition to be better every day. This is the issue with AOA. There are two running groups in my area (predominately women in their 30's and 40's) who celebrate their mediocrity and shame those who strive to be better. They're also the first ones to call themselves athletes and marathoners even if they finish in 5-6 hours. Just because you can run doesn't make you a runner.
bolded is the only part that matters, to me. if they want to call themselves athletes and celebrate their mediocrity, who cares? if they want to slag on other people for trying harder then fuck them.
Kind of agree but it's akin to someone deadlifting with a rounded back or doing partial squats with huge weights thinking they're awesome. People don't know what they don't know. Unconscious ignorance is an excuse. Conscious ignorance is not.
Case in point. A girl I know with one of these groups was running high 6 to 7 min/k over a 10k distance. This is purely based on the general pace of the group. She runs with a different group once and is now running mid 5's for the same distance purely based on a mental shift.
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your metabolism really does slow down when you're eating below maintenance. so what previously felt like a maintenance level of calories, or even a below-maintenance level, can become a surplus.
"In the classical Minnesota experiment, young men with a maintenance requirement of 14.6MJ/d were restricted to 6.6 MJ/d for 24 weeks.9 They reached energy balance at the end of the experiment, with 58% of the total energy saving being ascribed to a reduction of activity- induced energy expenditure; of this total energy saving, 40% was due to reduced body weight and 60% was due to reduced physical activity."
Sf the total reduction in energy expenditure, nearly 60% of it was due to less calories burned during exercise of which 40% was due to being lighter and 60% was doing less total activity. That means that most of the adaptive component isn't even in metabolic rate in the first place.
It's changes in energy expenditure during activity, both formal exercise and SPA/NEAT
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http://nypost.com/2016/10/03/marathon-training-made-me-fat/
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/marathon_ledford_duo1a.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1328&h=882&crop=1)
Becki Ledford in April 2013 (left) and April 2016. Ledford gained about 25 pounds over the course of a few years, because she'd drink more sugary beverages and eat carb-heavy meals while training for races.
HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!#@$@$!@$
if im not careful this could soo be me in postboxing life since making weight is no longer a concern lol
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just run more. :ninja:
i eat alot, but running negates it.
i think gaining lots of fat while training for a marathon, would mean you are putting in low mileage weeks, with one long run, and eating everything in sight. that's definitely a problem. lol.
also, in my experience, if you do a long run, you mostly just want sugar/water after -> hard to eat a big meal. ie, i'll run 2-3 hours then crave a milkshake, or grapefruit, etc.. but not some massive meal. So you'll remain positive in calories burned to calories ingested, at least for that effort.