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Performance Area => Nutrition & Supplementation => Topic started by: D4 on July 23, 2011, 01:19:57 pm
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So I hear quite often people (mostly girls) say they don't eat anything past 6 pm or whatever. Does that really make a difference? Let's say 2 completely identical people, eat the same food and calories in a day, however 1 finishes that food up by 6 pm, and the other finishes by 10 pm. Assuming they both eat below maintenance calories, will the 6pm person lose weight faster than the other? and WHY?
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In my experience it doesn't make any difference. In fact, when I drop weight I spend most of my time eating closer to bedtime lol. I was also on intermittment fasting, and I'm pretty sure most of what I lost was fat. Night time is the best time to eat imo, because you will usually be more relaxed, which will not only help you enjoy your meal(s) better, but it might help with digestion since you're in "parasympathetic" mode.
To be perfectly honest I don't think it matters with the 2 identical people. Assuming they both do the same activity, neither will lose more weight than the other.
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You're probably going to want to eat carbs and "energy giving foods" before an activity requiring energy though. It doesn't make too much sense to eat carbs and then go to sleep. They'd most probably go in and deposit as fat. Instead, if you eat them before playing ball, running, gym etc they should be used as energy for those activities. Not sure if that's the case though.
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Bro science at its finest.
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Yeah bro!
The thing is - I don't know how that energy is going to be used in terms of time.
That's why I wonder why Andrew eats carbs today for tomorrow. How do you know what you eat today is going to be available for you as energy tomorrow? How can you know they're not going to be converted to fat by then, or that their energy value was lost during the night and next of the day up until the athletic event and so on and so forth.
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http://jasonferruggia.com/premium/articles/The_Renegade_Diet_V2.pdf
he dicusses it in this pamphlet. I think it is is pretty nice layout for the average adult man with a job and trains on the side.
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sorry forgot that you need to login to read it. let me just copy and paste part of it.,
The basic premise of The Renegade Diet is quite simple. You fast for 16 hours each day (say, from 8pm until noon the following day), then undereat for four hours, then overeat for four hours. This follows the natural human cycle of undereating and overereating like we did in hunter-gatherer days.
It could be simplified as eating one main meal per day at night, as that’s what it really comes down to for most people who follow the diet, although there are many variations that will be discussed throughout. The version that is ideal for you will be based on your activity level, goals and bodyfat percentage.
To simplify it even more we could break it down like this:
Skip breakfast.
Eat lightly during the day.
Over eat at night.
Have all your carbs at the end of the day.
Get lean and muscular with more energy than you ever had before.
Either way, don’t have carbs until later in the day. There are a few reasons why you want to avoid carbs during the day.
First of all, eating carbs during the day will take you out of sympathetic nervous system mode as we discussed earlier and flip the switch to parasympathetic nervous system mode. This is the rest, relax, repair mode that we want to enter at night; not during the day when we need to be active and productive.
The second reason to avoid carbs during the day is based on insulin sensitivity. As many experts have reported, the insulin sensitivity in your muscle cells is highest in the morning. But what they forgot to mention was that the insulin sensitivity in your fat cells is also highest at this time. That means your fat cells will suck up all those carbs from cereal and oats like a vacuum cleaner.
When you wait until later in the day to consume carbs, while fasting or undereating throughout, your insulin sensitivity in your muscle cells will improve significantly. And in the meantime you’ll be in fat burning mode all day!
The presence of insulin in the blood (from eating carbs) tends to blunt cortisol levels. The natural cycle for cortisol is to be high in the morning and low at night. If you lower your cortisol in the morning by consuming carbs you won’t have nearly as much energy and focus as you should. While I already discussed the dangers of too much cortisol, the fact remains that you do need some. Lowering cortisol by consuming carbs in the morning throws your natural hormonal cycle out of whack.
Consuming carbs at night is perfect because this is when you want to start shutting down and relaxing. The night time is when growth and repair takes place.
Even if you aren’t consuming any carbs at all, which will be the case for those above 15% bodyfat, you still want the bulk of your calories to come at night for the same reasons. The simple act of overeating will switch you over into parasympathetic nervous which will help you relax and allow the growth and tissue repair to take place. For many, this schedule of eating leads to significantly improved sleep quality.
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That excerpt is somewhat true but not always. I eat carbs whenever I want. When I was accustomed to IF, I noticed if I ate carbs during he day I would fall asleep. I stopped IFing and now I eat a ton of carbs in the morning and have more energy. So it's quite complicated.
Berkhan (leangains.blogspot.com) had a recent article with research showing that people who eat the most carbs before bed lose the most weight. FOr myself this is true most of the time. But I eat carbs before bed probably yes because I am relaxed and ready to really digest everything.
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So I hear quite often people (mostly girls)
I guess you got your answer here ^^^
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Actually I just ate a shitload of carbs and fell asleep. Maybe because I only slept for 5 hours so my body wanted me to stuff myself to get the next 3. I've tried dieting like this before snakcing throughout the day and it's basically like an extended IF
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(http://www.essentialcontent.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/CaloriesIn-CaloriesOut001_400x299.jpg)
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I guess we'll get into this discussion again.
NOT FUCKING REALLY.
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The only meal where timing is really important is your postworkout nutrition. Beyond that it's not very important when you eat. The don't eat late at night myth got started because epidemiological studies showed that people who ate late at night were much more likely to be obese. However, it didn't take into account that people who eat late at night are more often making really poor food choices. If you eat the majority of your carbs before bed then you will fill up your glycogen stores quite well for performance the next day. Also you will provide a lot of glucose for your brain during the night which will help with recovery. Often this is preferred because if one wants to perform a strenuous task in the morning it's best not eat much upon waking because digestion may compromise the workout.