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Pre-Workout supplements
« on: August 09, 2012, 07:45:49 pm »
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Anyone here use pre-workout supplements so they are energized fully for an optimal workout?  Since I started working, I've been getting less sleep and it's affecting my workouts.  My workout frequency isn't exactly that high so I need to make all my workout sessions count.  Caffeine has little to no affect on me now, considering that I'm drinking coffee everyday at work on top of the fact that I'm naturally pretty tolerant to it to begin with.

I've heard of stuff like N.O. Fury (I think Raptor uses it), and C4 or whatever... 

Any recommendations on a specific supplement? 

- Also it'd be nice if you add in information such as if it includes caffeine, if you experience a crash later, how long it lasts in your body, does tolerant build up, etc...

I am pretty clueless and completely inexperienced with pre-workout supplements.
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2012, 08:07:56 pm »
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I take this:

http://www.pronutrition.ro/produs.aspx?pID=173&cID=0&dID=0&bID=38

I haven't exactly made a buy of it but it was a promotion of proteins + this so I got it. To be honest, it does help. Not sure if it's placebo or not, probably not though, but when you squat you do have some extra energy and "nerve" (extra will so to speak) to complete your reps and not quit. So...

It's a Romanian product though, so unless you can translate that ... here's what it contains (in Romanian):



You can also go with this:

« Last Edit: August 09, 2012, 08:16:19 pm by Raptor »

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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2012, 09:17:43 pm »
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17 cups of coffee.
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2012, 09:49:19 pm »
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most of this pre workout stuff is not that good or useful.  it all contains caffeine, the rest of the stuff is like vitamins and fruit extracts.  imo it's not worth it and is placebo effect most of the time.  nothing beats pure motivation, and some times this pre work out stuff makes u all giddy and not yourself.

and this stuff is terrible before basketball and plyometrics.
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2012, 09:50:59 pm »
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most of this pre workout stuff is not that good or useful.  it all contains caffeine, the rest of the stuff is like vitamins and fruit extracts.  imo it's not worth it and is placebo effect most of the time.  nothing beats pure motivation, and some times this pre work out stuff makes u all giddy and not yourself.

and this stuff is terrible before basketball and plyometrics.

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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2012, 11:13:36 pm »
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most of this pre workout stuff is not that good or useful.  it all contains caffeine, the rest of the stuff is like vitamins and fruit extracts.  imo it's not worth it and is placebo effect most of the time.  nothing beats pure motivation, and some times this pre work out stuff makes u all giddy and not yourself.

and this stuff is terrible before basketball and plyometrics.

Did you ask every single person on Earth if pre-workout supplements aren't useful for them? 

Maybe it sucks for you before plyos and basketball,but when I used to take a lot of caffeine (when I was less tolerant) prior to jump sessions/plyo's/basketball, I loved it lol.  Made me really aggressive and explosive,  not only making the jumps and plyos better quality, but making me perform better in basketball games as well.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2012, 11:16:16 pm by D4 »
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2012, 11:41:20 pm »
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I use jack3d sparingly.  No crash...I only notice the effects are waning because mentally my focus slowly drops back to normal.  I think it may be banned in the US but you can still find it in some places and it's never made me feel weird, although I also rarely ever use a full dose.

When I really want to make sure I kill it in the gym, the most effective thing for me has been eating a bowl of sweet potatoes the night before.  For some reason it really boosts my power & endurance.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2012, 11:54:42 pm by chrisbro1 »

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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2012, 12:00:18 am »
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 5hr energy + tyrosine capsules = nice increase in focus/energy without crash.
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2012, 01:15:48 am »
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I take synephrine (2x10mg) and caffeine(1x200mg) caps before my friday workouts, once or twice a month. I use them very sparingly, and only if i'm attempting a PR and don't feel very strong, cos I don't wanna fatigue my CNS more than necessary by taking stimulants often. It makes them less effective that way too.

In the past when I was cutting (from ~110kg down to ~85kg), I used the same stack daily to control hunger and appetite while on a very low carb diet diet  to feel alert for workouts. I never take stimulants before games because my normal nerves have me wired, and if I take stimulants on top of that, I get overstimulated and it's impossible to shoot or pass well because everything feels fast forwarded x 10 lol. On my current cut i've managed to do without stims but eventually when i'm leaner I suspect i'll have to take them to control hunger.
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2012, 07:57:52 am »
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Straight black coffee works for me, or two monster rehab energy drinks. But today i think i will copy Lance and will try some tyrosine and coffee I have some left over I forgot about. Have any of you tried biotests expensive brain candy? It's pretty good puts you in a sort of social/thinking/happy/energized mood it's just so expensive though I bought some for semester finals.
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2012, 04:10:07 pm »
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it is because of the crash.  it works okay for 30-45 min short workouts
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2012, 04:46:12 pm »
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it is because of the crash.  it works okay for 30-45 min short workouts

That doesn't mean it works okay for 30-45 min for everyone...  For some people it works better than okay.  Everyone is different
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2012, 04:49:05 pm »
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Everyone is different

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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2012, 08:27:17 pm »
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Black coffee works best for me personally. When I have the time I make ~500 ml and bring it with me to train. Then I consume it over warm-ups which has me amped up when I have to do the work-sets. Before most PR attempts I use mint oil. Just dribble some on the back of your hand and sniff it. If it is not enough, smear it under the eyes or something. Makes you be "there" immediately.

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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2012, 09:25:31 pm »
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cups of black french pressed coffee. kona, columbia, jamaican blue mountain, costa rica, ethiopia.... i don't mess around with my coffee.

i use most of the mainstream PW supplements too - noxplod, 1MR, jack3d.. they all do the same thing. wake you up and get you veiny.

300mg of caffeine on an empty stomach starts me up slowly. thats mild for me but works.
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