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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2012, 06:20:59 am »
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How good/bad is NOEXPLODE?

I heard stories from friends that it made them feel really weird...

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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2012, 08:33:36 am »
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How good/bad is NOEXPLODE?

I heard stories from friends that it made them feel really weird...

Its got stimulants in it so it give you a pretty solid rush.  Stomach issues happen mostly from people taking too much, it has creatine in it and too much creatine can cause some pretty frequent trips to the restroom.
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2012, 12:24:56 pm »
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i don't mess around with my coffee.


of course you don't, you're from northern california. snob.  :P
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2012, 12:51:32 pm »
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If you don't care about taste you're better off making one with bulk ingredients on your own.

Creatine: 3-5g
Beta Alanine: 2-4g (best split into 2 doses a day but it doesn't matter)
Caffeine: 200-400mg
L-Citruline: 3g
L-Tyrosine: 1.5g-2g
Multi Vitamin


After that you can add more stimulants if you'd like. 1,3 dimethylamylamine is now banned in supplements but you can find it bulk. 40mg is a good dose. I'd only use this for weight lifting and not sports/running. It's also banned by some sporting federations (I don't think by the NCAA yet). Dendrobine and various forms of Phenylethylamine could be useful, but research isn't even close to being conclusive.


All of this won't really do that much, but if you want a preworkout this is the best you'll get.
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2012, 11:47:18 am »
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I've tried 200 mg caffeine and 1200mg phenylethylamine and it definitely works. You feel a big head rush but you are ready to go!! I was using it during my 4 am workouts.. The phenylethylamine helped with a good mood feeling and combined with caffeine you really set some pr's but your blood pressure does increase when taking it. It also makes music sound better, I think the increased dopamine from taking it just puts your brain in a euphoric mode and nothing can bother you.
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2012, 10:51:46 pm »
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99% of pre-w/out supplements are complete SHIT. Most of them release more adrenaline into yoursystem which overtime create a lot of stress. I know I'm going to get negged for this but NO ONE will give me a half-intelligent argument backing up any of the supps here. If you think this is science you are just a fucking idiot. braindead.

Ideally, one should be really amped up for a workout. THis can be achieved by eating foods that optimize hormone production, these include animal fats which also contain cholesterol the building blocks for nutrients. RED MEAT, not chicken, BISON, ELK, GAME, FISH, RAW DAIRY, ORGAN MEATS.

THe only supplement I'd recommend is COD LIVER OIL for extra vitamin A for metabolism/thyroid.

Schisandra berries are good too but won't give oyu much of the boost if the first thing I mentioned is there but it's a great long term tonic herb, there are other good long term tonic herbs such as ashwagandha but these won't give you a pre-workout boost. All the supps people mentioned just SUCK. They will NOT GIVE YOU STRENGTH GAINS, they will temporarily AMP YOU UP, which A HEALTHY PERSON SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO ALREADY and which ppl on the verge of overtraining will suffer the negative consequences of from over acivating the Sympatho-adrenal system (SAS) and fucking up even more their HPA axis. go to mindandmuscle.net/forum to learn more about overtraining and its symptoms.

If you're not amped up, go to bed on fucking time, don't eat sweets at night, eat egg yolks and butter...take cold showers, practice osm emeditation to reduce stress, and take cod liver oil for the vitamin A, maybe som eiodine for extra metbaolism boost but be careful you don't need too much.
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2012, 11:34:36 pm »
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NO ONE will give me a half-intelligent argument backing up any of the supps here.

No one will give you an argument because no one gives a shit what you have to say. 
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2012, 12:42:04 am »
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I can give studies for every ingredient I listed (besides Tyrosine. That's more of an anecdotal thing). Considering you think pre workouts "increase adrenaline" shows you have no idea what you're talking about. The only thing that does something remotely close to that is 1,3 dimethylamylamine.

Assuming one has normal levels of testosterone, dietary changes aren't going to do anything for significant hormone production increases. People even worrying about hormone levels is laughable. The only time to worry about hormones is if you have low testosterone or you are taking steroids. Once you are in the normal levels, any increase you can do naturally will have zero effect on anything training wise. The most you will see is an increase in libido but that's probably just placebo. Even if you take steroids, that's not going to "amp you up" like stimulants will. Plus the other ingredients will still help.

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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2012, 02:27:02 am »
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2012, 02:39:51 am »
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This is gonna sound hippie, but I've been influenced about a lot of paranormal stuff. I'd do the regular massage as has been recommended, but seriously meditate, and do not get "angry" at your ankle. Your body hears this information according to psychics. I know this is weird.

Also meditation taps into the electrical bone healing properties of the body. Read "The Body Electric." Yogis and energetic healers who can heal fractures instantly all tap into this ability that many lower creatures with less nerve tissue, who have better bone regenerative ability, inherently have.


If you think this is science you are just a fucking idiot. braindead.
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2012, 03:29:46 am »
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2012, 04:21:20 am »
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There are different ways to look at preworkout stimulation. Some people believe that excess stimulation is unnecessary and counter productive. I remember reading Glen Pendlay on either P&B or IGX (i can't recall which)

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Intensity one thing i have noticed over the years is that some lifters need much more emotional arousal to lift top weights than others. i have also noticed that it is the emotional arousal itself, not the lifts, that brings on fatigue, and possibly overtraining. consider this. in lifters who can lift 95-100% weights without getting "psyched up", there is usually the ability to lift these top weights very often, sometimes daily, without undue fatigue.

However, with lifters who need considerable emotional arousal to lift these weights, they CANNOT be lifted often, certainly not more than once a week. this obviously leads one to the conclusion that the emotional arousal itself, not the weights lifted, is the mechanism leading to fatigue. before anyone flys off the handle, ill admit that one can overtrain without getting psyched up if they try, and the physical stress of lifting obviously plays a part, i am only saying that the EMOTIONAL arousal plays a bigger part than most would consider.

Now, i consider it a truism that it is not sensible to let your ability to lift with or without emotional arousal determine your lifting frequency or volume. in other words, psyching yourself out of your mind every time you squat to get your best possible poundage, then simply accepting the fact that you can only squat once every 10 days is not sensible. personally, i limit pssyching up in training. true, i support a businesslike atmosphere, and yell and scream at liftes daily.

But i DO NOT let lifters pace for 3 minutes working themselves into a frenzy before a lift. just go up to the bar and lift it is in my opinion the best training strategy. what does this have to do with all of you? well i know that some of you feel unable to train very often. i know that "overtraining", loss of motivation, etc, are subjects discussed somewhat regularly on this board and by lifters everywhere. my suggestion if you have experienced this or are experiencing it, is to not only look at your workouts, but look at your attitudes and arousal during your workouts. try to do 2 or 3 weeks of training where you DO NOT psych yourself up prior to sets. you may find several things.

You might find that you just plain feel better out of the gym, not so "drained" and tired as usuall. you might find that you are able to handle more training volume. and finally, you will almost surely find that in time you will increase your ability to lift heavy weithts without psyching yourself up, it is in fact a learned ability. and when this happens, youll find you have the best of both worlds, youll be lifting as heavy as possible, without draining yourself emoutionally. youll feel better, youll lift better and be albe to lift more and more often... and youll find that your mental state in everyday life is just plain better. and finally, PLAN your all out, crazy, psyche up and frothing at the mouth workouts. itll be a pleasant change of pace every couple of weeks! itll be something to look forward to, not just the daily grind.

and another one from a different forum by Glen
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LEARNING to give as close to 100% physically as is possible without undue emotional involvement is a... LEARNING experience, for most people at least.

Just because you cant do it doesnt mean it isnt valuable, or that you cant learn to do it better.

Just as with most things, it will be hard at first, keep trying, and you will get better.

If you never plan to get anywhere near your physical limits or really push yourself, this isnt really important. But if thats not the case, the closer you get, the more advanced you get, the more important this will become.

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I did write something on the net about this, cant remember where or when though. It is something that anyone who coaches a few hundred lifters will eventually see. Some kids can lift 90-95% of their maximum with about as much excitement as getting out of bed in the morning. Others need to psych up. The kids that can do it without psyching up can lift very near their maximum many times per week, those that need to psych up, can do it much less often. I personally believe that learning to lift weights over 90% of your maximum with no emotion is one of the keys to frequent training.

My view is squarely in the middle. Sometimes you need stimulants, even if just as a placebo (i feel stronger with my preworkout stack)  to get thru a workout that is mentally daunting. Sometimes you just need a boost. But for day to day and week to week  training I agree with Glen that you don't want to become reliant on psyching up, whether thru supplements or listening to the rocky speech on youtube or whatever. If most workouts are approached with a calmness then it takes less of an emotional drain on the body and it's easier to maintain consistency in training since sessions don't ask for too much out of you mentally. Like i've already mentioned the more often you take stimulants the less effective they are as you become desensitised to the effects. Saving them and using them sparingly is probably a good idea. Or you could keep ramping up the dosage as some people are prone to do, but i'm not sure that's a great idea either. Just my 2c.
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2012, 04:54:16 am »
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Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2012, 07:12:33 am »
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