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Title: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Dreyth on March 04, 2012, 01:31:31 am
... i feel it's only because we're all knowledgable already and stuff.

We don't get much people coming in here asking about air alert and jumpsoles lol.

seems to be that there hasnt been much new research regarding improving ones VJ. so we kinda already all see thru the BS and know the tried and proven methods for the most part thus far.

i like this place. though i have to admit, i do miss the terminal vertical days.




I mean look at the damn topics on that site. It used to be HUGELY popular.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040122235534/http://vert.proboards10.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1071960816

that's before it blew up, but look at the level of knowledge.
Seems to be that the more you know, the less chatter there is on the boards.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on March 04, 2012, 05:34:25 am
There is an obvious decrease indeed , just take a look at the monthly history at the statistics page.
http://www.adarq.org/forum/stats/

There was a sudden burst at March 2010 ( new topics 55--->115 , new posts 442--->1348 ) and it kept linearly increasing after that. Peak was February 2011 ( 239 new topics , 5348 new posts ). After that a slow decline started , but numbers stayed high.
I think that 2 facts were a big turning point for the final big decrease , adarq's ( temporary? ) retirement and alink's shit.
October, November and December stats are not reliable because forum was offline most of the time , but look at February , 920 new posts , first time it's under 1000 again after that March 2010.
I don't think the forum is dying though , just became 'unpopular'. Stop of advertizing (adarq's youtube channels ), adarq not able to provide the free coaching thing and adarq not commenting on journals would be the main causes imo. But who cares? The dedicated consistent trainees are still here. Check the journal's sorted by posts:
flander , me , bedouin , lbss , raptor , rip , cowed : 1000 to 1500 posts and still at it.
If you ask me i prefer the forum like it is now , not too empty like in the beginning , but not too many newbs and air alert kids either. It's easier to follow most of the peoples progress now and there is a good filtering , as you said people in here now are knowledgeable therefore more interesting/useful to follow them.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: mattyg35 on March 04, 2012, 03:39:42 pm
Let's not forget about all the bot posts.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: TheSituation on March 04, 2012, 04:18:29 pm
It's because I stopped logging
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on March 04, 2012, 04:21:23 pm
Yeah a handful of people stopped posting, like Steven Miller.

But the truth is - it's not that complicated to train. Just do the basic lifts and be consistent.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: TheSituation on March 04, 2012, 05:23:40 pm
Yeah a handful of people stopped posting, like Steven Miller.

But the truth is - it's not that complicated to train. Just do the basic lifts and be consistent.

That's why you've made so many gains in the last 5 years
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on March 04, 2012, 07:13:41 pm
Yeah a handful of people stopped posting, like Steven Miller.

But the truth is - it's not that complicated to train. Just do the basic lifts and be consistent.

That's why you've made so many gains in the last 5 years

You noticed that too? Thanks! :highfive:
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: adarqui on March 12, 2012, 12:40:14 pm
good post vag.. ya unfortunately a big reason for the drop in traffic/posts is my "retirement".. i always wondered what would happen if i stopped training, guess we found out... BUT, there are still people journaling and posting, more of a tight knit group of people, less "quick answers/quick glory" people like dreyth pointed out..

i don't really think the alink situation did much, i'd imagine the 1 month of data we lost did more damage, which is tied to alink so.. ;d

i appreciate so much that people are still communicating/posting/having fun on the forum, you guys especially, for continuing to journal etc..

i'm hardcore into coding now, and im becoming a professional relaxer who listens to beast classical daily.. a major shift from my dunking days, tell me about it.. but anyway there's always been lots of stuff i've "wanted to do in life" besides athletics, so, now that i've somehow lost the love to train, that's what im focusing on.

am still here, posting, just more so in the NERD section hah... probably in the not so distant future, i'll start going apeshit again, but with my new hobbies.. posting alot regarding that stuff.. politics/programming/relaxing(lmfao) ;)

pC




ps: that 1 month of data loss really pissed me off, still does, i hate losing data.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Mutumbo000 on March 12, 2012, 01:02:20 pm
Yeah i think Adarq not making youtube vids anymore is probably the main reason for the sight having heaps less traffic. For example I never would've found this website if it wasn't for seeing Adarq's dunking videos on youtube and the link connecting it to this site. Pretty close to 800k views on youtube! I love this site and even though Adarq isn't into athletic training atm I've read soo many inspirational posts from him, which has given me the motivation to set goals and bust my ass to achieve them.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: adarqui on March 12, 2012, 11:05:00 pm
Yeah i think Adarq not making youtube vids anymore is probably the main reason for the sight having heaps less traffic. For example I never would've found this website if it wasn't for seeing Adarq's dunking videos on youtube and the link connecting it to this site. Pretty close to 800k views on youtube! I love this site and even though Adarq isn't into athletic training atm I've read soo many inspirational posts from him, which has given me the motivation to set goals and bust my ass to achieve them.

that makes me happy :F glad the work i put in, and some of the posts/articles can still have such an effect.

appreciate it man.. glad you're busting your ass too :)

the 800k thing is cool, still getting subs/views hah.. ill reach a mil without having posted a video for a year probably.. i do plan on making a legit video, maybe 6 months from now or so, but it'll be like some twisted tricked out video that involves no training.. got a few ideas, kind of want to do it.. oh it'll involve an animal too probably hah.

pc man
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on March 13, 2012, 05:47:34 am
I still don't get what happened to you Andrew... :huh:
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on March 13, 2012, 09:09:30 am
I still don't get what happened to you Andrew... :huh:


i'm hardcore into coding now, and im becoming a professional relaxer who listens to beast classical daily.. a major shift from my dunking days, tell me about it.. but anyway there's always been lots of stuff i've "wanted to do in life" besides athletics, so, now that i've somehow lost the love to train, that's what im focusing on.

am still here, posting, just more so in the NERD section hah... probably in the not so distant future, i'll start going apeshit again, but with my new hobbies.. posting alot regarding that stuff.. politics/programming/relaxing(lmfao) ;)

pC


He is in that phase right now , it's as simple as that. He may come back at it tomorrow , in 5 years or never. It's all fine!
If you ask me , that training/dunking virus never dies , it re-flares. Dunking/vert training is a virus with a random incubation time. It stays there , inactive , you are carrying it but it is not active, you're the host , and the boom , you are the patient! :D
Last time Andrew retired it took him 6 months to come back. It took me 10 years though:
I was into dunking and training for it at my early to mid 20's. Then i just stopped , i don't even remember why , jumping and dunking passion just disappeared. I would occasionally play a pickup game and not even care or think how high i am getting up. I started playing organized bball again at ~32 years old , went to the gym too, still no remembrance of vert and dunks. One of our rims started to get lower though , the 'chord' holding it gradually loosened. It came down to ~9'8''. One day i said let's see , can i get it? I jumped up and with my shit-tastic ~24'' RVJ i got 2-3 knuckles above the rim and grabbed it hard. That was it , it all came back in an instant , 1 or 2 weeks later i started air alert , you know the rest of the story...



Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on March 13, 2012, 11:17:53 am
Still doing air alert to this day, eh?
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on March 13, 2012, 03:48:36 pm
Still doing air alert to this day, eh?

You bet , nothing like 4x50 tuck jumps and ~500 ground contacts 3 times a week! AA FTW !!!  :headbang:
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on March 13, 2012, 05:45:46 pm
I once talked to a guy who thought Air Alert is too low of a volume so he did it all compressed to 3 times the volume. He had tendinitis in the knees for 3 months or so.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: ARowe on March 14, 2012, 11:29:17 pm
I have to admit, I miss opening up youtube and seeing that adarq ul'd a new video. Watching adarq getting psyched after setting a pr and going crazy in his vids motivated me. Plus I usually ended up dl'ing whatever song he had in the video and would listen to that while training.


I've still been training, I just haven't been as into it. I'm thinking that since it's starting to get nice outside again here I'll be motivated again like I was.



I was never on terminal vertical but I miss when tvs was really active.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: JackW on March 19, 2012, 07:01:49 pm
Yeah a handful of people stopped posting, like Steven Miller.

But the truth is - it's not that complicated to train. Just do the basic lifts and be consistent.

That's why you've made so many gains in the last 5 years

You noticed that too? Thanks! :highfive:

If it makes you feel any better Raptor, Carl Lewis didn't really improve much after high school. When you are already awesome there isn't much room for improvement. :-)
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on March 20, 2012, 03:28:08 pm
Yeah a handful of people stopped posting, like Steven Miller.

But the truth is - it's not that complicated to train. Just do the basic lifts and be consistent.

That's why you've made so many gains in the last 5 years

You noticed that too? Thanks! :highfive:

If it makes you feel any better Raptor, Carl Lewis didn't really improve much after high school. When you are already awesome there isn't much room for improvement. :-)

In high school I had a 14 inch SVJ.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: adarqui on March 21, 2012, 12:45:27 am
Yeah a handful of people stopped posting, like Steven Miller.

But the truth is - it's not that complicated to train. Just do the basic lifts and be consistent.

That's why you've made so many gains in the last 5 years

You noticed that too? Thanks! :highfive:

If it makes you feel any better Raptor, Carl Lewis didn't really improve much after high school. When you are already awesome there isn't much room for improvement. :-)

In high school I had a 14 inch SVJ.




you also did running verts off boxes, with fat kids in the video :D

the good old days.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on March 21, 2012, 07:45:54 am
This^^^

I like how people say I failed, but forget that I was (am) a nerd to begin with, with 10 inch verts. So... I think I did pretty good considering my genetic make-up.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: adarqui on March 22, 2012, 03:18:41 am
yup.. same here.

NERD POWER.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on March 22, 2012, 06:10:25 am
Nerd dunk contest. :highfive: :ibjumping:
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: adarqui on March 23, 2012, 12:25:42 am
Nerd dunk contest. :highfive: :ibjumping:

it's funny, lots of nerds on here, 'wishing they were godlike athletic', elite level freaks.. so we work(ed) hard as f**k for it..... but is their a flipside? im sure a small number of cases.. but i think natural nerds wanting to become athlete by far outnumbers natural jocks wanting to be nerdy.. lmfao
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Mutumbo000 on March 23, 2012, 06:54:34 am
Hey adarq are you still going to come out with those adarq.org shirts or beanies? If you did i'd defs buy 1 and i wreckon other members would to.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on March 23, 2012, 07:13:25 am
Nerd dunk contest. :highfive: :ibjumping:

it's funny, lots of nerds on here, 'wishing they were godlike athletic', elite level freaks.. so we work(ed) hard as f**k for it..... but is their a flipside? im sure a small number of cases.. but i think natural nerds wanting to become athlete by far outnumbers natural jocks wanting to be nerdy.. lmfao


Well nerds are smarter (I don't talk about the geeks that just ready and study and are still stupid despite all that) and they are aware of what they need to do to obtain stuff. "Athletes" aren't as aware and live by just what they got genetically and think they don't need to work hard, they just coast on what they have. The true winners are the genetic freaks with nerdy attitudes.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Guga on March 29, 2012, 06:39:13 pm
Nerd dunk contest. :highfive: :ibjumping:

it's funny, lots of nerds on here, 'wishing they were godlike athletic', elite level freaks.. so we work(ed) hard as f**k for it..... but is their a flipside? im sure a small number of cases.. but i think natural nerds wanting to become athlete by far outnumbers natural jocks wanting to be nerdy.. lmfao


Well nerds are smarter (I don't talk about the geeks that just ready and study and are still stupid despite all that) and they are aware of what they need to do to obtain stuff. "Athletes" aren't as aware and live by just what they got genetically and think they don't need to work hard, they just coast on what they have. The true winners are the genetic freaks with nerdy attitudes.

thats why a lot of athetes end up financially broke. They are most of the cases very stupid.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on April 05, 2012, 05:03:30 am
REDIRECTING TOPIC:

This forum COULD die afterall but the cause would be lack of moderation.
Too many Verkoshanskys lately , going on ranting and proposing wild theories , insisting on them like crazy etc. I am speaking for myself but i believe it annoys other people too , it is very frustrating to see the forum flooded by pulled-out-from-the-ass theories, presented as if they were scientific facts. Makes me want less to come in here.
We always had people like them , we will have at the future too, the only way to get them off the arrogance train is Lance or Adarqui forcing them to do so. Them and also a few knowledgable people that really know their stuff. And knowing your stuff is not "Yo , i read the VJBs and saw 50 DeFranco vids and now i know all the explosiv verts sectets".
So i am really glad to see Lance, Steven Miller and Todday back at the 'active' mode , the forum needs you guys!
Hoping to have Andrew back soon too.

Cheers!
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: LanceSTS on April 05, 2012, 10:31:32 am
REDIRECTING TOPIC:

This forum COULD die afterall but the cause would be lack of moderation.
Too many Verkoshanskys lately , going on ranting and proposing wild theories , insisting on them like crazy etc. I am speaking for myself but i believe it annoys other people too , it is very frustrating to see the forum flooded by pulled-out-from-the-ass theories, presented as if they were scientific facts. Makes me want less to come in here.
We always had people like them , we will have at the future too, the only way to get them off the arrogance train is Lance or Adarqui forcing them to do so. Them and also a few knowledgable people that really know their stuff. And knowing your stuff is not "Yo , i read the VJBs and saw 50 DeFranco vids and now i know all the explosiv verts sectets".
So i am really glad to see Lance, Steven Miller and Todday back at the 'active' mode , the forum needs you guys!
Hoping to have Andrew back soon too.

Cheers!


  Agreed man, its getting more and more annoying to see those threads and posts. Dont think that shit is going un noticed, its like waking up and hearing fingernails running down a chalkBoard to see those moronic posts and threads daily. 

   
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: TheSituation on April 05, 2012, 12:10:58 pm
REDIRECTING TOPIC:

This forum COULD die afterall but the cause would be lack of moderation.
Too many Verkoshanskys lately , going on ranting and proposing wild theories , insisting on them like crazy etc. I am speaking for myself but i believe it annoys other people too , it is very frustrating to see the forum flooded by pulled-out-from-the-ass theories, presented as if they were scientific facts. Makes me want less to come in here.
We always had people like them , we will have at the future too, the only way to get them off the arrogance train is Lance or Adarqui forcing them to do so. Them and also a few knowledgable people that really know their stuff. And knowing your stuff is not "Yo , i read the VJBs and saw 50 DeFranco vids and now i know all the explosiv verts sectets".
So i am really glad to see Lance, Steven Miller and Todday back at the 'active' mode , the forum needs you guys!
Hoping to have Andrew back soon too.

Cheers!


Who are you referring to? No point in not naming names if you think they are killing the forum.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Dreyth on April 05, 2012, 12:19:10 pm
REDIRECTING TOPIC:

This forum COULD die afterall but the cause would be lack of moderation.
Too many Verkoshanskys lately , going on ranting and proposing wild theories , insisting on them like crazy etc. I am speaking for myself but i believe it annoys other people too , it is very frustrating to see the forum flooded by pulled-out-from-the-ass theories, presented as if they were scientific facts. Makes me want less to come in here.
We always had people like them , we will have at the future too, the only way to get them off the arrogance train is Lance or Adarqui forcing them to do so. Them and also a few knowledgable people that really know their stuff. And knowing your stuff is not "Yo , i read the VJBs and saw 50 DeFranco vids and now i know all the explosiv verts sectets".
So i am really glad to see Lance, Steven Miller and Todday back at the 'active' mode , the forum needs you guys!
Hoping to have Andrew back soon too.

Cheers!


Who are you referring to? No point in not naming names if you think they are killing the forum.

Avishek is one.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on April 05, 2012, 12:35:20 pm
Who are you referring to? No point in not naming names if you think they are killing the forum.

I hear you , maybe youre right.
Point of not naming is that i dont want to make this personal, my entry was not about pointing out who does it , but to express that i want moderators and knowledgable people to be more agressive in such cases. Many times there is an annoying thread but i dont post because i think "the hell with this kid , let it think his shit smells like roses". Now i am starting to think that we ( the forum ) could end up drawning in his shit. Also i reckon that  those who do it consider themselves knowledgable too so its an infinite loop , but if the real knowledgable people are alert we will be better at dealing with those situations...

@Lance :  i know you notice man, just needed to send a reminder! :D

PS1 : I would like some more J-DUB's interventions too, he  delivers well in such cases  :highfive:
PS2 : You could be a bit more active, you know your shit, you sense the scams and you have an awesome gif collection too!
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on April 05, 2012, 02:21:50 pm
Man, where is this rose scent coming from... brb, checking the bathroom
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on April 06, 2012, 05:31:53 am
Man, where is this rose scent coming from... brb, checking the bathroom

lmao!  :P
Well you know it's not you, although you do have your moments , but i guess we all do.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: adarqui on April 06, 2012, 08:20:30 am
avishek relax.

this forum may or may not be dying (not in my opinion), however, my lip definitely is dying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3pbCM9kTH8
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: adarqui on April 06, 2012, 08:24:21 am
Hey adarq are you still going to come out with those adarq.org shirts or beanies? If you did i'd defs buy 1 and i wreckon other members would to.

hey mutumbo.. not any time soon unfortunately.. i do plan on putting out some bada$$ shit though one day.

pc man
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: TheSituation on April 10, 2012, 04:09:36 pm
Avishek and Harvey



(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/GET_63b3a2_1390585.gif)
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Dreyth on April 10, 2012, 04:59:02 pm
I couldn't even believe those pictures from Harvey were real. Where did you guys find them?
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on April 10, 2012, 05:54:20 pm
Is it really him?
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: TheSituation on April 10, 2012, 07:35:49 pm
The pictures are from

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Harvey-M-Malicdem/166395890070478


Not sure if that's him though, but it probably is.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Mutumbo000 on April 11, 2012, 06:00:04 am
Hey adarq are you still going to come out with those adarq.org shirts or beanies? If you did i'd defs buy 1 and i wreckon other members would to.

hey mutumbo.. not any time soon unfortunately.. i do plan on putting out some bada$$ shit though one day.

pc man

That's cool. Hopefully one day is sooner rather than later:P
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: cowed77 on April 25, 2012, 03:03:05 pm
now adarq,
on top of all ur programming, all u need to do is work with me again  ;)
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: adarqui on April 26, 2012, 03:29:14 am
now adarq,
on top of all ur programming, all u need to do is work with me again ;)


:/
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: cowed77 on April 26, 2012, 06:09:51 am
Haha c'mon man, let's do it soon!
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on January 31, 2014, 12:57:13 pm
We are going down people, step your game up!!!

It is obvious that the forum is slow those days, here is a statistical analysis to it too:

Take a look at the bottom of that page : http://www.adarq.org/stats/ , expand the years and see the monthly posts. We are going down bad :(
Ever since the monthly posts went above 1000 ( March 2010 ), they never fell under that limit again. We peaked at 5348 2 years ago. Then a big fall started but traffic kept kicking back. If you ask me, the most direct correlation with forum traffic is adaqui's training and secondly lance being around but i don't even want to go there. So, back to stats, we fell under 1000 for the first time again this summer ( June 2013 , 986 posts ) , then again we kicked back and had 2 good increasing months ( July 1093 posts, August 1226 posts ). And since then , the final ( hope not) fall began : 1138, 925, 798, 739 and this month (ending today) we have 727. I was here when it had 3-4 active logs, i will stay here if it happens again but i hope it won't, it will be so sad...

Props to the people that do keep up with their journals, props to toddday for coaching us nowadays.

So, before this becomes drama... everyone, just don't let the forum die!!!  :pissed:
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: LBSS on January 31, 2014, 01:19:12 pm
I was here when it had 3-4 active logs, i will stay here if it happens again but i hope it won't, it will be so sad...


+1,000,000. i was thinking about this last night: i would not have stuck with this goal without the forum and the accountability and encouragement people on here give.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: ChrisM on January 31, 2014, 01:58:55 pm
I'm not going anywhere. Its nice to see others progress and bounce ideas around.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on January 31, 2014, 03:00:30 pm
I don't really "care" that much... smart people will continue, non-enthusiastic people will leave. Whatevs'
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on February 01, 2014, 08:45:45 am
I don't really "care" that much...

http://www.adarq.org/stats/

Top 10 Posters
adarqui: 17216
Raptor: 10423
LBSS: 6028

Top 10 Topics (by Replies)
ADARQ's journal: 5218
Raptor's strength & power journal: 2394
a fast and explosive donkey: 2297

Most Time Online
adarqui: 142d 20h 51m
Raptor: 65d 8h 9m
Kingfish: 54d 31m

Top 10 Post Voters
Raptor: 3838
vag: 1585
LBSS: 1495

 
cool story bro!  :trollface:
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on February 01, 2014, 12:09:32 pm
What I mean is - I will still complete my journal and go on with my training regardless.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on February 01, 2014, 12:23:42 pm
Fair. I never thought you were leaving anyway. If we, sadly, go back to a handful of journals in here, i would bet tons of money that yours would be one of them.
Well, let's just see what happens, it ain't over till it's over...
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on February 01, 2014, 03:57:58 pm
Can I bet against me and then retire and win the bet?
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: acole14 on February 03, 2014, 11:31:32 pm
OK, I've been thinking about this issue for awhile now and finally got a chance to post something...

The forum is definitely more 'specialised' nowadays. We have lost a lot of the 'chaff' (i.e. trolls like hyperdunk, complete idiots like Harvey M asking stupid questions, bots etc.) and now it's mostly the dedicated trainees left journalling. On the flip side, a lot of promising journals from recently joined members (~1 year) have dropped off over the last year or so for whatever reason. Just look down the list of the journals section of journals that started strong but fizzled out after a few months: Ahotzo, Coges, Ryno2892, Jake, Final Phenom, flyingthunder and so on. Not to mention strong-posting veteran members like D4, Flander, Joe, creativelyric etc. all seem to have left as well (not to mention resident troll-slayers J-DUB and TheSituation). This means that eventually the forum's overall activity has to drop a bit. It's like if an entire NBA draft class went to another league. It won't affect the quality of the NBA for the next season, but eventually the talent pool becomes shallower and the quality of play decreases due to the lack of quality replacements.

Of course, most journals do not go very far, the attrition rate is probably 80-90% in the first 6 months. Obviously it's crazy to expect every new member to stay, but when the rate of new members is currently so low, it does eventually add up. So how to reverse the forum's slide into the TVS wasteland? I guess the two relevant questions are:

- Why are new members leaving (or non-members not joining and not starting journals), apart from external reasons such as getting injured? I believe that a big reason why people don't stay around as much is the lack of proper/official coaching. Adarq is into other things (which, as stated many times, is totally fine and it's very cool he even keeps the site up for no money in ads or anything), and Lance mysteriously left awhile ago. New members do get help but it's not with the same authority as a 'coach'.

Furthermore, back in the day when there was a lot more traffic, having a wide variety of boards made more sense as there was a greater range of members reading the forum with a greater range of interests. But these days, it seems a bit cluttered IMO. Most of the main boards are fine, but you could probably lose a lot of the sport-specific boards and condense some of the off-topic boards into one, so when non-members first look at the site, there's more emphasis on the training-related boards and it's clearer where the all the good stuff is.

- How to increase the rate of new journals? In other words, how to get new members to the forum and journalling? Well this is trickier as it really depends on increasing the awareness of the site. Primarily this was driven by adarq's youtube videos, but in lieu of those, you're just relying on people randomly coming across the site through google searches on vert-related topics etc.

With that in mind, here are my completely individual and in no way definitive suggestions to Adarq to help resuscitate the forum a bit:

1. Promote T0ddday to coach ASAP (if he's interested). Maybe take a poll to see if other coaches should be promoted and who they would be.

2. Upgrade some of the die-hards (e.g. Raptor, vag, LBSS, entropy) to mods to establish a bit more of a hierarchy. Currently the only other non-coach mod is Joe and he doesn't post any more.

3. Streamline some of the boards so visitors get a strong first impression of the site as the hardcore athletic performance training site that it is.

4. Clear out the progress journal section so only the currently updated journals are in there (new mods could do this). Make it a real accomplishment to maintain a beastly journal in the progress journal section.

In terms of promotion of the site, this is tricky as it requires a lot more effort than the above changes. I know I found the site through adarq's youtube videos, and this is probably the best avenue to attract new members. BUT this whole area is really none of my business - it's totally up to adarq to determine what he would want to do or not do, so I won't post any suggestions. However, I will say that I, for one, wouldn't be averse to paid google ads or similar if it meant there was an incentive to get more members to the site.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on February 04, 2014, 06:19:27 am
Very nice post acole! I like the way you type, even long posts like the above are still dense, every paragraph and sentence is right on target.

It is the veterans leaving that bothers me most. And it bugs me more that whenever they post, they confirm they still train. Flander does, cowed does, i am sure joe does too but joe was never consistent with journaling anyway, he will randomly appear and start logging again. Even kingfish is now posting only once per week, he posts a weekly template and then edits the post with the daily numbers. Dreyth is still around but his journal has sex updates, lol. He will be back soon though, i am sure of it. Avishek also said he will be posting weekly instead of daily and since then he never posted again, but he is also around. Anyway, it is not so important to personalise it, even more on a narrow time window. It may look totally different in half a year. Life happens, we must never forget that. But for those who are still here, post your damn daily workouts, even if they are boring and unexciting, it is not the PR thread, it is the training journal!

About mods, you can see me crying out for moderation earlier in this topic. However, i am not sure the posts count/subscription date is enough to qualify someone. Adarqui had very specific ideas about how to moderate, he never banned, never deleted messages, nothing. A moderator should be someone trustworthy that would not disturb the balance, the mentality of the forum. Also he should be someone that has the time and will to do that job, it could get demanding eventualy.

About coach, totally agree about it, an official forum coach, with coach-user-level too, a separate colour on nick etc! And of course it is toddday, he is unofficialy doing it for long time already. But then again, we have to ask him, because it is one thing to intervent in specific topics you find interesting and another to have to check and respond to every single user request. I still can't believe how much consistent and efficient adarqui and Lance were with that!

How about the forum nominating mods/coaches , them accepting or not the nomimation and then the forum voting them thgrough a poll? One coach and two mods would be perfect for current size/traffic i believe.

What does everyone else think?
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on February 04, 2014, 01:10:45 pm
I think adarq and Lance were very consistent with their "forum coaching" because they are (were) passionate guys about it. And I think that's really the most important thing in the world about coaching.

You can't just "pretend to be" passionate... you have to BE passionate. And then it's really easy. You don't even know how you responded to 10 posts in the last half an hour if you are passionate about the subject. Plus you also learn stuff while doing it because each scenario and situation you try to solve forces you to think about stuff and put 2 and 2 together.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: acole14 on February 04, 2014, 11:33:38 pm
Very nice post acole! I like the way you type, even long posts like the above are still dense, every paragraph and sentence is right on target.

It is the veterans leaving that bothers me most. And it bugs me more that whenever they post, they confirm they still train. Flander does, cowed does, i am sure joe does too but joe was never consistent with journaling anyway, he will randomly appear and start logging again. Even kingfish is now posting only once per week, he posts a weekly template and then edits the post with the daily numbers. Dreyth is still around but his journal has sex updates, lol. He will be back soon though, i am sure of it. Avishek also said he will be posting weekly instead of daily and since then he never posted again, but he is also around. Anyway, it is not so important to personalise it, even more on a narrow time window. It may look totally different in half a year. Life happens, we must never forget that. But for those who are still here, post your damn daily workouts, even if they are boring and unexciting, it is not the PR thread, it is the training journal!

Yeah I think the loss of veteran members is a big factor as well. Lost quite a lot in the last year or so.


About mods, you can see me crying out for moderation earlier in this topic. However, i am not sure the posts count/subscription date is enough to qualify someone. Adarqui had very specific ideas about how to moderate, he never banned, never deleted messages, nothing. A moderator should be someone trustworthy that would not disturb the balance, the mentality of the forum. Also he should be someone that has the time and will to do that job, it could get demanding eventualy.

I liked how adarq moderated as well, not banning people excessively or deleting messages. On other forums you can get banned at the drop of a hat, would feel very restrictive and totalitarian. New mods should definitely follow his approach.

About coach, totally agree about it, an official forum coach, with coach-user-level too, a separate colour on nick etc! And of course it is toddday, he is unofficialy doing it for long time already. But then again, we have to ask him, because it is one thing to intervent in specific topics you find interesting and another to have to check and respond to every single user request. I still can't believe how much consistent and efficient adarqui and Lance were with that!

That is what the forum is screaming out for I think. But I know Toddday is very busy as a researcher as well as training so only if he felt OK with it. If not him then I'm sure someone else could be nominated.

How about the forum nominating mods/coaches , them accepting or not the nomimation and then the forum voting them thgrough a poll? One coach and two mods would be perfect for current size/traffic i believe.

What does everyone else think?

Agreed, one coach and two new mods would be good. I would personally be fine with any combination of vag, entropy, LBSS or Raptor as mods. All have been around long enough and know the site well. And also Raptor for coach if Toddday didn't want to do it. I think he's proved that he's knowledgable enough to help newbies at least and is definitely around enough! Maybe we could create a separate topic for this process and post it in the shout-out box at the top of the site so people see it.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: LBSS on February 05, 2014, 07:40:23 am
i'm kind of with raptor, you can't really "nominate" a coach who hasn't already nominated himself. if t0ddday wants to spend more time in here we'd all benefit but his expertise is mainly in sprinting, physiology and nutrition/metabolism. he's not ignorant about other stuff but he's not an experienced real-life coach the way adarq and lance are (i.e., never made his living training people).

as far as having new mods, i do think that would be a good idea. also, adarq wasn't finished redesigning the site when he went off into his new adventures in programming, and i agree with the point that it's a bit cluttered and could stand to be reorganized and consolidated a bit. any of y'all talked with him recently, apart from seifullaah about boxing?

EDIT: i wonder if the drop-off started with when the forum went down last summer. anyone remember when that was? because lancests and thesituation both were last active on june 25. maybe they stopped when the forum went down and just decided not to come back after that.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on February 05, 2014, 09:03:53 am
Nah, it was later, 20-25 October : http://www.adarq.org/news-announcements-suggestions/recent-downtime-server-broke-and-had-to-wait-for-host-to-fix/msg95033/#msg95033

However that last downtime does look synced with the latest irreversible traffic drop. Also loos like that at the alink downtime, back in October 2011. Interesting!

About mods, i was re-thinking it. Since we dont have trolls anymore and even if we had adarqui's logic was (almost)never ban/delete posts, what do we need mods for? The only real use would be to move journals to the gravejard, maybe give a warning before that too. Heck, adarqui can still do that if we PM him, it's a 2 minutes thing.

Fair point about toddday.

Dunno, let's give it some more time as it is? Spring approaches, everybody starts hitting the parks, more sprints and dunks vids/reports etc, that should tone us up a bit. If it doesn't , we reconsider things.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: acole14 on February 06, 2014, 07:31:50 pm
Nah, it was later, 20-25 October : http://www.adarq.org/news-announcements-suggestions/recent-downtime-server-broke-and-had-to-wait-for-host-to-fix/msg95033/#msg95033

However that last downtime does look synced with the latest irreversible traffic drop. Also loos like that at the alink downtime, back in October 2011. Interesting!

About mods, i was re-thinking it. Since we dont have trolls anymore and even if we had adarqui's logic was (almost)never ban/delete posts, what do we need mods for? The only real use would be to move journals to the gravejard, maybe give a warning before that too. Heck, adarqui can still do that if we PM him, it's a 2 minutes thing.

Fair point about toddday.

Dunno, let's give it some more time as it is? Spring approaches, everybody starts hitting the parks, more sprints and dunks vids/reports etc, that should tone us up a bit. If it doesn't , we reconsider things.

Yeah on reflection I guess that's a good idea. Maybe we're overreacting a bit to the situation. It would be cool to have coaches and mods again but despite the current lack of those things, the forum will continue to chug along. We did pick up ChrisM in the past year or so and he's probably the highest jumper the forum's ever had.

I do sometimes wish we still had a couple of trolls though. I always enjoyed opening up the latest Harvey M. post.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: ChrisM on February 07, 2014, 08:56:57 pm
Thanks acole! I'd say KF still holds the top spot. He's a monster and even though my RVJ is higher it's kind of unfair because he never trains RVJ (that I know of?).

That said I was only here for a short time while Lance and Adarq were coaching but I enjoyed there input, very similar to a Toddday post now. Harvey and Hyper were hilarious. :)
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: aiir on February 08, 2014, 01:50:53 am
Dreyth is still around but his journal has sex updates, lol.

Man, I lol'd so damn hard.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on February 11, 2014, 05:56:48 am
Dreyth is still around but his journal has sex updates, lol.

Man, I lol'd so damn hard.

Now he's not even updating these anymore :(
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on March 16, 2014, 12:26:31 pm
WTF happened in here? Lowest monthly post count in February ( 678 ), heading for an even lower one in March ( 146 so far ) , huge daily post count negative PRs this week ( 8 March : 4 , 9 March : 3!!! ). Ok, me and LBSS were away, raptor was down, but still... hope we bounce back up eventually.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on March 16, 2014, 05:45:42 pm
WTF happened in here? Lowest monthly post count in February ( 678 ), heading for an even lower one in March ( 146 so far ) , huge daily post count negative PRs this week ( 8 March : 4 , 9 March : 3!!! ). Ok, me and LBSS were away, raptor was down, but still... hope we bounce back up eventually.

Yeah... I'm keeping my log also on my website at www.insane-athletics.com :P
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: acole14 on March 16, 2014, 10:10:37 pm
WTF happened in here? Lowest monthly post count in February ( 678 ), heading for an even lower one in March ( 146 so far ) , huge daily post count negative PRs this week ( 8 March : 4 , 9 March : 3!!! ). Ok, me and LBSS were away, raptor was down, but still... hope we bounce back up eventually.

Yeah... I'm keeping my log also on my website at www.insane-athletics.com :P

Whoa! Cool site. Did you take inspiration from the Vinsanity/Vinsane nickname for the site name? Interesting structure separating journals into vert, strength, speed. What if you're interested in all three like me  :D ? I made an account there, might not log there yet but will contribute when it gets going.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on March 17, 2014, 01:27:08 am
Haha yeah it's a long story...

But my nickname is "Raptor" because back in the day in 1996 or so I used to play Quake 2 with a neighbor and he used to use that nickname and I thought it was cool so I started using it.

Then it so happened that I became a VC and therefore a Raptors fan... I mean what were the odds, right? :P

Thanks for joining!

Will write a few more articles these days, continuing with the one-leg jump ones but will also talk about two leg jumps and how and why (in my opinion) the squat relates/sometimes doesn't work for one leg jumpers.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on March 17, 2014, 09:22:16 am
I don't like that you chose to advertise in this specific thread. Here we share thoughts about how to save adarq.org and you suggest to go to yours? Weak, -1 here  :pissed:
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: LBSS on March 17, 2014, 11:08:47 am
just occurred to me that a big reason there's less activity now than before is because most of the active journalers don't really post outside their own journals. me, acole, vag, raptor and a couple of others make up the vast majority of posts outside people's own journals. it was not always thus.

not complaining, just an observation.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: ChrisM on March 17, 2014, 01:44:01 pm
Tis true. It seems like most here have their own idea of what works for them so there are less questions asked about differing training philosophies. New blood would probably fix some of that.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Raptor on March 17, 2014, 02:22:49 pm
Yeah some bots would be cool!

Just kidding... there haven't been any new members in ... years?
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: ChrisM on March 17, 2014, 03:20:22 pm
Sadly I may the the newest member that 'contributes' and I've been here a year and a half...I think.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: jr on April 01, 2014, 02:45:34 pm
It's time...to get...vertical.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on April 01, 2014, 03:10:37 pm
inb4, March = new monthly posts count negative PR ( 491 ) , 7th consecutive decreasing month ( also a PR ), first time under 500 since February 2010.
:ffffffuuuuuu:
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Mutumbo000 on April 01, 2014, 06:19:54 pm
Hopefully this forum stays!
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on April 02, 2014, 06:08:52 am
No doubt it stays. It doesn't shrink much more than that anyway, i don't think any of the remaining members would leave for good. Maybe a break for some time ( flander, dreyth, adarqui, me last year ) for whatever life reasons but they will come back. The training virus does not die, it sleeps and reflares.
:welcome: back btw!
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Dreyth on April 07, 2014, 04:41:51 pm
I'm back.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on May 05, 2014, 08:52:02 am
April = first month with total posts increase, since August 2013 !!!

:almostascoolasnyancat:  :goodjobbro: :lololol:
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on June 03, 2014, 05:03:30 am
May = more increase ( 683 ). Good shit!  :highfive:
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: acole14 on June 03, 2014, 10:24:17 pm
Yeah it's definitely felt more active recently, got some new members and some old ones returning. Good to see.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on December 09, 2015, 04:42:33 am
Epic forum revival lately. Not that you need me to remind you, it is a bit too obvious when unread posts page doesn't fit in one screen and you need to scroll down! :wowthatwasnutswtf:.

And some stats, based on monthly posts: We are on a constant increasing mode since May, but it sky-rocketed in October and November, November was the first month that we got over 1000 posts again, and now we are not even halfway into December and we already have 570 posts, on a route to over 1500 currently.
And some analysis , i think that big part of this is having 'coaches' again, adarqui and toddday reading the journals and commenting in them. Plus some big returns ( mutumbo, flander once again, toddday ).

Good stuff everyone, keep it up!  :highfive:
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Mutumbo000 on December 09, 2015, 05:19:11 am
Epic forum revival lately. Not that you need me to remind you, it is a bit too obvious when unread posts page doesn't fit in one screen and you need to scroll down! :wowthatwasnutswtf:.

And some stats, based on monthly posts: We are on a constant increasing mode since May, but it sky-rocketed in October and November, November was the first month that we got over 1000 posts again, and now we are not even halfway into December and we already have 570 posts, on a route to over 1500 currently.
And some analysis , i think that big part of this is having 'coaches' again, adarqui and toddday reading the journals and commenting in them. Plus some big returns ( mutumbo, flander once again, toddday ).

Good stuff everyone, keep it up!  :highfive:

Thanks for the special mention  :lololol:
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Dreyth on December 09, 2015, 09:45:54 am
Epic forum revival lately. Not that you need me to remind you, it is a bit too obvious when unread posts page doesn't fit in one screen and you need to scroll down! :wowthatwasnutswtf:.

And some stats, based on monthly posts: We are on a constant increasing mode since May, but it sky-rocketed in October and November, November was the first month that we got over 1000 posts again, and now we are not even halfway into December and we already have 570 posts, on a route to over 1500 currently.
And some analysis , i think that big part of this is having 'coaches' again, adarqui and toddday reading the journals and commenting in them. Plus some big returns ( mutumbo, flander once again, toddday ).

Good stuff everyone, keep it up!  :highfive:

I noticed this too actually. It's made me want to read other threads and post in them.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: adarqui on December 21, 2015, 08:29:31 am
ya lots of good stuff going on in journals (which is the heart of everything) & the rest of the forum.

there's lots of new stuff to post about on my part too; running (middle distance is becoming my primary goal), single leg jump training, tennis etc.

vag; imagine if LanceSTS came back too..  :wowthatwasnutswtf: really hope he's doing good, there's like no trace of him since 4 years ago.. I just sent him a PM on youtube.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Dreyth on December 21, 2015, 09:40:35 am
I always used to confuse LanceSTS and LBSS.
Who was Lance again? I completely forgot now that only LBSS has been around since.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: adarqui on December 21, 2015, 09:51:27 am
I always used to confuse LanceSTS and LBSS.
Who was Lance again? I completely forgot now that only LBSS has been around since.

Lance Schultz, s&c coach. Ran STS Performance out of TX

https://www.youtube.com/user/LanceSTS

pc!
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: LBSS on December 21, 2015, 10:29:00 am
it's easy to tell us apart because i don't have a pamela anderson-style barbed wire tat.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: vag on December 22, 2015, 04:48:00 am
Lance returning would be the cherry on top.
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: Dreyth on December 22, 2015, 11:47:02 am
That channels latest upload was 4 years ago  :-X
Title: Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
Post by: adarqui on December 22, 2015, 05:51:04 pm
it's easy to tell us apart because i don't have a pamela anderson-style barbed wire tat.

lmfao.