Author Topic: beast (Read 344033 times)

Flander · « **Reply #406 on:** September 23, 2011, 06:55:09 am »

Quote from: T0ddday on September 12, 2011, 08:36:47 pm

Quote from: LBSS on August 08, 2011, 09:31:52 am
Quote from: Zetz on August 07, 2011, 02:22:47 pm
Read his dispute over prosthetics in wikipedia. It's all well cited, at least from the bits I've read. CAS actually repealed IAAF's ban on him because they didn't present enough evidence to show he had an unfair advantage, especially when weighed against his disadvantages like his slower starts. (In the video you can see he's still behind everyone at around the 150m mark.

doesn't matter. he's NOT RUNNING. what he's doing is a different thing. the fact that his disadvantage in the start might make up for his huge advantage in the upright portion of the race doesn't deny the fact that the blades give him a huge advantage while moving forward at high speed.

plus it's only a matter of time before they come up with blades that eliminate the problems with the start. what, are they gonna calibrate the technology so it meets some random standard for correlation with human speed?

Whether or not you want to consider what he is doing as "running" or not is immaterial to the debate. The salient point is that blades dramatically change the dynamics of the race. Pistorius seems to be really passionate about track and field and it's very much a feel good story which gets track and field some more exposure (which it desperately needs). The CAS decision was purely political.
This will go on until Oscar (or another para athlete) runs a world leading time or wins a diamond league event. Only then will the able-bodied athletes federations whose medals and money he is taking point out the litany of differences between running on compressive blades...

I agree track and field is in need of exposure. My problem with this is, he is not competing on the same terms as everybody else. I dont care wether or not he has an disadvantage in the start or wether that is equal or not to his advantage with the blades. The reason track and field works as a sport is the fact that I can run 100m in Denmark and be compared to someone running in the US. All the rules and restrictions regarding the equipment allowed, how the track is build, what its made of, wind, etc. etc. This is what makes the sport possible at all. And he does NOT fit under those rules. If he is allowed to use those blades, then everyone should, and then we will see Usain Bolt running with tiny short blades under his shoes.

That he has a pasion for track and field is great. But I have a passion for track and field, but Im not blessed with the talent that Jurgen Schultz has, or the long arms of some other world class discus thrower. Should I then be allowed to use a speciel discus in competition or some lengthening device for my arms?

I hope I make sense. When it comes to discussions in english, sometimes Im lost for words.

LBSS · « **Reply #407 on:** September 23, 2011, 09:28:33 am »

No worries about the English. You pretty much nailed it there, Mr. Fyrretrae.

adarqui · « **Reply #408 on:** September 23, 2011, 11:35:50 am »

i dont think blade-runners should be able to officially compete with 'regular humans', on a national circuit.. i do however think they should be able to unofficially compete with them.. so even if the blade-runner wins the event, he doesn't really win, his stats are placed on some other event listing.. ie, pistorius beats wariner, but it wont count officially as him beating wariner, wariner still wins the event.. but pistorius wins in the 'cyborg category'.

if that makes sense..

my problem with just flat out not letting pistorius compete, is that, he's a freak with insane dedication/desire to run, he should be allowed to run in any of the event prelims against anyone imo.. maybe not the finals, because he'd be taking someone elses spot.. but this guy should be allowed to run in prelims in any event on the planet. there's not many people like him, and there won't be.. most people who run on blades will never reach his kind of speed, guy is an animal.

Flander · « **Reply #409 on:** September 23, 2011, 12:23:20 pm »

Quote from: LBSS on September 23, 2011, 09:28:33 am

No worries about the English. You pretty much nailed it there, Mr. Fyrretrae.

Thanks man.

Quote from: adarqui on September 23, 2011, 11:35:50 am

i dont think blade-runners should be able to officially compete with 'regular humans', on a national circuit.. i do however think they should be able to unofficially compete with them.. so even if the blade-runner wins the event, he doesn't really win, his stats are placed on some other event listing.. ie, pistorius beats wariner, but it wont count officially as him beating wariner, wariner still wins the event.. but pistorius wins in the 'cyborg category'.

if that makes sense..

my problem with just flat out not letting pistorius compete, is that, he's a freak with insane dedication/desire to run, he should be allowed to run in any of the event prelims against anyone imo.. maybe not the finals, because he'd be taking someone elses spot.. but this guy should be allowed to run in prelims in any event on the planet. there's not many people like him, and there won't be.. most people who run on blades will never reach his kind of speed, guy is an animal.

I agree with you Darq. He should be able to run against people who are equal in time, to push him to the best he can be.

LBSS · « **Reply #410 on:** September 23, 2011, 12:46:44 pm »

Quote from: adarqui on September 23, 2011, 11:35:50 am

i dont think blade-runners should be able to officially compete with 'regular humans', on a national circuit.. i do however think they should be able to unofficially compete with them.. so even if the blade-runner wins the event, he doesn't really win, his stats are placed on some other event listing.. ie, pistorius beats wariner, but it wont count officially as him beating wariner, wariner still wins the event.. but pistorius wins in the 'cyborg category'.

if that makes sense..

my problem with just flat out not letting pistorius compete, is that, he's a freak with insane dedication/desire to run, he should be allowed to run in any of the event prelims against anyone imo.. maybe not the finals, because he'd be taking someone elses spot.. but this guy should be allowed to run in prelims in any event on the planet. there's not many people like him, and there won't be.. most people who run on blades will never reach his kind of speed, guy is an animal.

wheelchair marathoners are in the same spot as he is, IMO, and they compete in a similar way to what you're suggesting: they race in the same races as regular marathoners and their times are just counted separately. the problem with pistorius is that his entry into the competition takes a spot away from a regular athlete. there are only 8 lanes, after all. you can get 15,000 people running a marathon and dozens of elite or near-elite. no one is taking someone else's spot.

T0ddday · « **Reply #411 on:** September 23, 2011, 04:30:22 pm »

Quote from: adarqui on September 23, 2011, 11:35:50 am

my problem with just flat out not letting pistorius compete, is that, he's a freak with insane dedication/desire to run, he should be allowed to run in any of the event prelims against anyone imo.. maybe not the finals, because he'd be taking someone elses spot.. but this guy should be allowed to run in prelims in any event on the planet. there's not many people like him, and there won't be.. most people who run on blades will never reach his kind of speed, guy is an animal.

That's not a bad compromise. But, of course letting him compete in the prelims is still taking a spot from someone else. And, honestly I probably wouldn't want to compete against him in a tactical race like the 400m. Can you imagine running a couple lanes inside of him? Because of the way he runs on the blades you would make up the stagger in the first 20 meters which would could really through your race off. It would be really frustrating to run against his crazy splits...

Anyway, it's certainly a difficult situation. I would argue that he should probably be kept out of events which you have to qualify for like World Championships and Olympics (which have a para division) but if diamond league meet organizers want to invite him to compete against able-bodied athletes they should be allowed to do so but his records should not be compared to able-bodied records. I think this compromise would be fair because a) The olympics and world championships are the two events that already attract decent attention, b) He wouldn't be "taking" anyone's spot ( you get this these meets by invitation rather than strictly a qualifying time ), and c) If you don't want to run against him there are enough of these meets where you could successfully avoid him...

LBSS · « **Reply #412 on:** September 24, 2011, 01:34:11 pm »

koklayev at russian championships this year. gets hurt, finishes third.

strong as fuck, and strong youtube skills.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhdcyYlFipk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhdcyYlFipk</a>

DamienZ · « **Reply #413 on:** October 03, 2011, 05:54:48 pm »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJnfjY1Dg80" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJnfjY1Dg80</a>

vag · « **Reply #414 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:59:04 am »

He is probably this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/user/alassng80

adarqui · « **Reply #415 on:** October 12, 2011, 08:20:35 am »

Quote from: vag on October 12, 2011, 06:59:04 am

He is probably this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/user/alassng80

that is insane.. holy crap.

check this, he gets clipped at the end by the car.. this dude is nuts hah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrH50S8CY_M

LBSS · « **Reply #416 on:** October 20, 2011, 11:26:29 am »

might already have been posted, but worth another watch. dude does 20 x 462 and then, during the same workout, works up to a single of 606.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbFGdpQD_O0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbFGdpQD_O0</a>

TKXII · « **Reply #417 on:** December 06, 2011, 07:30:41 pm »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9HrKZfhbCc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9HrKZfhbCc</a>

Argued to be the fastest man the world has ever known. Absolutely monstrous finish in the 4x1

LBSS · « **Reply #418 on:** December 07, 2011, 09:46:58 am »

we have a way of determining the fastest man ever known. it's called elite-level track and field. you know, where a bunch of very fast guys meet in an organized competition and race either for money or for a medal? maybe you haven't heard of it, but there are a few big competitions a year. the world record is now almost half a second faster than bob hayes's WR.

so you can argue that he's the fastest man the world has ever known, but you'd be objectively wrong.

TKXII · « **Reply #419 on:** December 07, 2011, 10:23:43 am »

Lmao, good rationale. I'm not the one arguing it so you can calm the fuck down. I'm just sharing it. The argument is that the tracks are shitty, and equipment is horrible, and that his form is far from optimal. Nevertheless, beast.

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