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Performance Area => Pics, Videos, & Links => Topic started by: nba8340 on March 31, 2012, 02:09:33 am
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what's up guys
got a PR standing vert of 1.5 inches , which is enormous for me
my concern isn't so much over the accuracy of the mat, but rather the way i jumped. Previously when i tested my vert on the mat i would jump and just swing up both arms. This time what i did was try to touch an object with 1 arm, while keeping the other relaxed. I'm unsure if part of the PR height was because i jumped and only reached up with one arm which made me land slightly leg bent, or if the jump was really legit and jumping while trying to touch an object really did help me jump significantly higher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy1_oyxkR2k
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Easy way to measure if it's accurate is just to measure the object that you touched. It looked like you touched the ceiling so measure how high that is and than deduct your standing reach from it. Impressive vertical!
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i measured the ceiling a couple weeks ago at 10 ft 8.
need to re measure my reach since haven't in a couple years last time it was about 7 ft 10-11
on the jump i touched the ceiling with a couple fingers, which means i got a little higher than 10 ft 8
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Well 3 feet is 36 inches and if you said you got a bit higher than that it seems the 36.9 would be legit. Take 2 inches off since the ceiling was 10'8 instead of 10'10 and it would be about 34.9. If your reach was 7'11 instead of 7'10 you'd still have 33.9, which is basically 34 anyway.
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Hey mike , you know i follow you and support you from the beginning!
As i told you in youtube , i think its 3-4'' off.
I remember you were 7'11'' like me , so 10'8'' = 33''. Give 1 inch for reach and 1 inch for getting a bit more than touching it , max 35'' if you ask me.
Think of it that way: if you were 37''/7'11'' you would be able to touch a 10'' rim 4'' below your wrist from SVJ.
I dont trust jumpmats and hangtimes etc , they give a good estimation but the only legit method is [highest touch - standing reach]
Btw , legit 33+ is still awesome for SVJ , your progress is amazing , keep it up! :headbang: :highfive:
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^ heres a 34" vid i took before. compare and see if he is any higher. my measured SVJs are very accurate to the inch :headbang:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VWj-FXmox8
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how can we tell from your vid, kingfish??
also, a previous thread on this fourm regarding the jump mat and vertec for vert testing
http://www.adarq.org/forum/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/jump-mats/?action=printpage
as far as the mechanics of the jump go. if you watch in slow mo i do land actually pretty straight legged, the only thing i see is that my left foot kind of hitches a little which could possibly start the timer early. I don't think it would since the majority of my bodyweight is still on the mat, i'll play around with it next time though and see if it starts early if i do that
^ heres a 34" vid i took before. compare and see if he is any higher. my measured SVJs are very accurate to the inch :headbang:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VWj-FXmox8
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I played Kingfish's and your vid side-by-side and timed it so that you both started jumping at the same time and they're almost exactly the same, so I think it's closer to 34-35'' (which is nice by the way).
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props, nasty PRs still coming.
regardless of if or why it happened, jumping while reaching up for objects will lead to the highest jumps, more often than not. but ya changing the way you jump on the mat, will change the accuracy of your results slightly when comparing to other styles of jumps on the mat.
pC
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whatever, those jumps were high as shit.
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Just find a vertec dude.
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yeah probably.
I say so because today, I came across a jump mat. Without warming up (was mentally prepared and very recovere), I pulled a 31 in my dresspants and formal wear, tie.
It was very accurate and convinved me this stuff is good, because I know frm measuring rims with measuring tape for a whiel that I've been at 31-32 for a while. But that jumpmat is not the same as the one you're using but probably works ismilarly.
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i had a jump mat, it was pretty accurate.. maybe 1" off on avg.. landing knees real bent, 2-3" off.. but as long you're landing stiff, it will be a pretty good measure.
vertec isn't necessarily any better than jump mat, i mean some people or some jumps, your timing may be off/arm slightly further away than optimal which could lead to lower measures.. the only good thing is it doesn't really over-inflated vert unless you cheat your reach..
timing/form can definitely be an issue with each jump.
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yea i think its pretty close.
my max standing reach arm completely outstretched in shoes is 7 ft 10
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Wow you were in Kelly Baggett's latest article! http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/HowMuchCanVertBeImproved.html
Didn't know you were working with him.
Anyway after reading that, I was thinking that you (Ori) still haven't had all the improvement possible on movement efficiency. Your run up looks different than what most high leapers do. ANd your penultimate looks really small. I don't know if the large penultimate is the way for everyone, but certainly yours is smaller than I'd expect for a 40+ jumper and furthermore, your depth is pretty high during your RVJ in your dunk vid. Baggett didn't mention that though so I was a bit confused I guess. And I'm sure you've already thought about this.
What do you think?
edit: not all great leapers have a deep depth during their RVJ, but most do. Maybe you have more FT fibers so you take a shorter stepped more reactive run up
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yea, been working with him for awhile now.
yea my run up still needs a lot of work. My standing and 2-3 step is fine, but can't do a full run up. I'm planning on really hammering the technique and practice when i get my standing to a 40 , bcs once i get there i think if i can perfect my run up i can get a 48 running which would allow me to hit my head on the rim. Along with that, I have some patellar tendinits right now so can't even really do plyos.Don't think my penultimate is really small but def. could be bigger, a big part of it comes from just not being able to get lots of speed going into the final plant, once i improve that i think the last step will increase in length.
Why were you confused about my depth? Depth is going to vary depending on the athlete, i don't think its necessary to dip very low. I find that when i jump quicker and not going as deep i get higher. Maybe as i get stronger i'll dip down a little lower on my plant into the jump.
I don't know about fast twitch fibers, i just think the depth i use allows me to get the greatest power output, if i dipped lower i might get more force but it would be a lot slower overall leading to less power overall and a lower jump. I'd have to double check but i don't think the best leapers dip that low
Wow you were in Kelly Baggett's latest article! http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/HowMuchCanVertBeImproved.html
Didn't know you were working with him.
Anyway after reading that, I was thinking that you (Ori) still haven't had all the improvement possible on movement efficiency. Your run up looks different than what most high leapers do. ANd your penultimate looks really small. I don't know if the large penultimate is the way for everyone, but certainly yours is smaller than I'd expect for a 40+ jumper and furthermore, your depth is pretty high during your RVJ in your dunk vid. Baggett didn't mention that though so I was a bit confused I guess. And I'm sure you've already thought about this.
What do you think?
edit: not all great leapers have a deep depth during their RVJ, but most do. Maybe you have more FT fibers so you take a shorter stepped more reactive run up
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Both depth and the drop-plant depend on strength, structure and quad/glute dominance. I think a quad-strong person will plant with a shorter drop-plant and deeper, while a glute guy will plant with a longer drop-plant and higher in order to better reach his glutes so to speak.