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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2016, 12:31:46 am »
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just found this very funny.. at the time, it's 49.9% (clinton) to 49.6% (bernie). So CNN reports it as 50% to 49% and states: "that's after you round it".

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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2016, 07:58:51 am »
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do delegates vote for their preferred candidate. I know delegates are members of the house of representatives but what is confusing is are some of these voting for trump, clinton. Do the candidates try and persuade the delegates to be in favor of certain candidates.
 
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2016, 08:18:21 am »
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I never understood how the voting system goes in the USA. It seems that if you win 2 states you win the election or something. How is that "democratic" is beyond me.

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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2016, 08:35:14 am »
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do delegates vote for their preferred candidate. I know delegates are members of the house of representatives but what is confusing is are some of these voting for trump, clinton. Do the candidates try and persuade the delegates to be in favor of certain candidates.

oh boy, this is going to be fun. brace yourself.

the US has a first-past-the-post voting system, which means whichever candidate gets the most votes generally wins, even if it's fewer than 50% of the total. and each district only votes in one candidate to the house of representatives. people in the house are not called delegates, by the way, they're called representatives or members of congress. "delegate" has different meanings. but anyway, that is why the US has a two-party system: elections are winner-take-all, there's not even a nod to proportional representation, so larger, richer parties are essential to winning most elections.

so, each of those parties needs to choose its candidates, not just for president and house of representatives but also for the senate and for all kinds of state-level offices (these vary by state but include governors and state legislatures and, in some states, things like attorney general, comptroller, sometimes judges). so they hold what are called primary elections. that's what we're going through right now. no one is actually being chosen for office.* instead, voters who are registered with each party are, state by state, voting on which candidates they would like to represent them in the general election in november. those voters will return to the polls (along with a lot of other people, most people don't bother to vote in primaries) in november and fill out the ballots that will determine who actually takes office, from a list that was established by the primary.

iowa is weird in that they don't have a normal primary, where people show up and vote anonymously. instead they have what's called a caucus, where people come to community spaces, literally gather in groups by preferred candidate, and get counted in public. frankly that seems bananas to me but there you have it. everyone pays attention because it's the first state to hold any presidential nominating event every four years. new hampshire has the first normal primary.

now, another wrinkle. the president is not actually elected by popular vote. he (or she, maybe, this time around) is elected by something called the electoral college, which is a fucked-up antidemocratic relic that we should have abolished decades ago. so, when the general election comes around, the candidate who received the most votes in a given state gets the votes of his party's electoral college delegates. because electoral college votes are not exactly representative, al gore won the popular vote in 2000, but because he did not win enough electoral college votes (well, he did, but the supreme court fucked him, and all of us...long story), george w. bush got to be president.

AMERICAN CIVICS! CAN YOU FEEL THE EXCITEMENT?!?!

*in districts where one party is dominant, the primary is often basically like a general election. for example, in washington, DC, where i live, whoever wins the democratic nomination for mayor is going to be mayor. DC is something like 90% democrat, no republican has a realistic chance to win citywide office.
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2016, 09:42:07 am »
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That's soooooo weird... lol... and it gives rise to situations like the one with Al Gore #justiceScalia

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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2016, 09:59:33 am »
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do delegates vote for their preferred candidate. I know delegates are members of the house of representatives but what is confusing is are some of these voting for trump, clinton. Do the candidates try and persuade the delegates to be in favor of certain candidates.

oh boy, this is going to be fun. brace yourself.

the US has a first-past-the-post voting system, which means whichever candidate gets the most votes generally wins, even if it's fewer than 50% of the total. and each district only votes in one candidate to the house of representatives. people in the house are not called delegates, by the way, they're called representatives or members of congress. "delegate" has different meanings. but anyway, that is why the US has a two-party system: elections are winner-take-all, there's not even a nod to proportional representation, so larger, richer parties are essential to winning most elections.

so, each of those parties needs to choose its candidates, not just for president and house of representatives but also for the senate and for all kinds of state-level offices (these vary by state but include governors and state legislatures and, in some states, things like attorney general, comptroller, sometimes judges). so they hold what are called primary elections. that's what we're going through right now. no one is actually being chosen for office.* instead, voters who are registered with each party are, state by state, voting on which candidates they would like to represent them in the general election in november. those voters will return to the polls (along with a lot of other people, most people don't bother to vote in primaries) in november and fill out the ballots that will determine who actually takes office, from a list that was established by the primary.

iowa is weird in that they don't have a normal primary, where people show up and vote anonymously. instead they have what's called a caucus, where people come to community spaces, literally gather in groups by preferred candidate, and get counted in public. frankly that seems bananas to me but there you have it. everyone pays attention because it's the first state to hold any presidential nominating event every four years. new hampshire has the first normal primary.

now, another wrinkle. the president is not actually elected by popular vote. he (or she, maybe, this time around) is elected by something called the electoral college, which is a fucked-up antidemocratic relic that we should have abolished decades ago. so, when the general election comes around, the candidate who received the most votes in a given state gets the votes of his party's electoral college delegates. because electoral college votes are not exactly representative, al gore won the popular vote in 2000, but because he did not win enough electoral college votes (well, he did, but the supreme court fucked him, and all of us...long story), george w. bush got to be president.

AMERICAN CIVICS! CAN YOU FEEL THE EXCITEMENT?!?!

*in districts where one party is dominant, the primary is often basically like a general election. for example, in washington, DC, where i live, whoever wins the democratic nomination for mayor is going to be mayor. DC is something like 90% democrat, no republican has a realistic chance to win citywide office.

I definitely feel the excitement, I decided to watch some videos on this and it was funny what i found out regarding the electoral college.
so USA has 538 electors, which is allocated to states based on their popularity that's why alot of the president candidates aim their campaign at the big states.
then the people of different states vote for a candidate which they pass onto the electors on who they want the electors to vote for, but the twist is the electors e.g 38 electors of texas (one question does this mean texas has 38 districts with a representative for each district) and lets say one district majority vote was obama and this is passed onto the elector, who can decide to not vote for obama!!!! why have electors who are not going to vote for what you want but can choose their own. so their is a small possibility that the electors of DC can say we dont want to vote democratic but republican. So DC is a safe state for democratic party.

The question arises is that the majority of the electors voted for bush, but the people of the different states wanted algore, do they even show this figure or only the electoral votes. how did they find out that al gore gained over 50% popularity as the people's vote do not go straight to the candidates.

Also if lets say obama wins 51% of the 38 electoral votes of texas which is approximately 19, he gets 38 votes and not 19.

so i am assuming the district you are in are voting for a democratic representative but this is only for the primary election, you don't do this for the general election.

Then you have some states having less electoral votes than they should and some states having more than they do, which makes me suggest that this is how bush won.





BTW, if algore did get majority of the electoral votes, what do you mean the supreme court f**ed him, was it some conspiracy stuff also why do they show who is the most popular candidate during election even though its the electoral votes that counts.
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2016, 10:20:39 am »
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This guy has some cool videos on this topic and others.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k</a>

Wow this is also interesting, as lbss explained in his post.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_95I_1rZiIs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_95I_1rZiIs</a>

So, it's best to register with a party to vote for that party, is it easy or is it as hard as trying to join the house of representative

i don't like the idea of some delegates and electors having the power to vote against the votes of their district.
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2016, 10:34:18 am »
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joining a party is easy, you just tick a box when you register to vote.

becoming a member of the house of representatives costs, on average, more than $1.5 million.
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2016, 05:54:00 pm »
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Not to mention that the politicians in the USA are BOUGHT by the "donors". They are the bitches of the donors, basically. They don't represent your interests at all, just the donors. They will make the campaign sound good (using the donors' money) to the public and then legislate in the interest of the donors, of course.

It's crazy to continue to think that you live in a democracy, lel. Until you get the money out of politics this will continue to be the case, and the fact that the Supreme Court said that "money is speech" is crazy, too.

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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2016, 07:06:53 pm »
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Not to mention that the politicians in the USA are BOUGHT by the "donors". They are the bitches of the donors, basically. They don't represent your interests at all, just the donors. They will make the campaign sound good (using the donors' money) to the public and then legislate in the interest of the donors, of course.

It's crazy to continue to think that you live in a democracy, lel. Until you get the money out of politics this will continue to be the case, and the fact that the Supreme Court said that "money is speech" is crazy, too.

the supreme court said that ... omg .. I'm starting to think that illuminati and reptile people being involved lol
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2016, 04:09:10 am »
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2016, 09:21:56 am »
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Not to mention that the politicians in the USA are BOUGHT by the "donors". They are the bitches of the donors, basically. They don't represent your interests at all, just the donors. They will make the campaign sound good (using the donors' money) to the public and then legislate in the interest of the donors, of course.

It's crazy to continue to think that you live in a democracy, lel. Until you get the money out of politics this will continue to be the case, and the fact that the Supreme Court said that "money is speech" is crazy, too.

well, sort of. it's a little more complicated than that, and outright quid pro quo corruption is still rare. but yeah wealthy people and groups who give money to politicians's campaign funds and to organizations that design and lobby for laws and policies have way outsized influence.
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2016, 11:47:57 am »
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Not to mention that the politicians in the USA are BOUGHT by the "donors". They are the bitches of the donors, basically. They don't represent your interests at all, just the donors. They will make the campaign sound good (using the donors' money) to the public and then legislate in the interest of the donors, of course.

It's crazy to continue to think that you live in a democracy, lel. Until you get the money out of politics this will continue to be the case, and the fact that the Supreme Court said that "money is speech" is crazy, too.

well, sort of. it's a little more complicated than that, and outright quid pro quo corruption is still rare. but yeah wealthy people and groups who give money to politicians's campaign funds and to organizations that design and lobby for laws and policies have way outsized influence.

I remember hearing that some of the big financial donors include the jewish lobby that's why some candidate support the israel occupation. just my 2 cents
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