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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #780 on: August 12, 2017, 06:39:39 pm »
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #781 on: August 13, 2017, 08:07:20 am »
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Oh ye I heard about that protest incident. Turned out violent.
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #782 on: August 13, 2017, 09:09:16 am »
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yeah the neoliberal hawkishness is one of the things that i don't like about mccain. and he's a republican in a day and age when that means you support open, violent white supremacism. he's gonna get mourned and eulogized whenever the brain cancer gets him and it's going to make me feel grim and angry.

the thing i was responding to there was the unnecessary theater of his vote. he had a chance earlier in the week to kill the bill before it ever got to a vote, and he didn't take it. so instead of killing it quietly, he got his "mccain comes through for the ACA! he's still a maverick!" moment. just seemed like self-aggrandizing grandstanding at the expense of many, many poor and sick people freaking the fuck out more than they needed to for a few extra days.
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #783 on: August 13, 2017, 09:47:33 am »
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yeah the neoliberal hawkishness is one of the things that i don't like about mccain. and he's a republican in a day and age when that means you support open, violent white supremacism. he's gonna get mourned and eulogized whenever the brain cancer gets him and it's going to make me feel grim and angry.

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the thing i was responding to there was the unnecessary theater of his vote. he had a chance earlier in the week to kill the bill before it ever got to a vote, and he didn't take it. so instead of killing it quietly, he got his "mccain comes through for the ACA! he's still a maverick!" moment. just seemed like self-aggrandizing grandstanding at the expense of many, many poor and sick people freaking the fuck out more than they needed to for a few extra days.

great point.

Though, I imagine he was leaning more towards "just sucking it up and voting for it" after that press conference he gave with Graham .. "If we can get a guarantee that ..." That never came through.. so he probably was legitimately on the fence, leaning towards voting for it, but still dependent on Ryan's response.

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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #784 on: August 13, 2017, 09:50:14 am »
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damn, crazy photo :/


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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #785 on: August 13, 2017, 04:23:11 pm »
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posted this on FB (politics book). I rarely post on FB but just had to express my thoughts on those who want a Christian State being the exact same as ISIS.

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Lots of my friends are weighing in on Charlottesville.. Here's my angle.
When I see a confederate flag, I associate it with a black ISIS flag. When I see a statue of General Lee on government property, I associate Lee with Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the founder of ISIS. When I see people throwing up signs that say "God's Race" & such, whose mission in life is to transform the United States of America (emphasis on United), into the Confederate States of America - a Christian Theocracy, ie Christian Dominionism, I think of the Islamic State (ISIS) & their caliphate. When I hear about ISIS burning people alive, terror attacks, & beheading people, I think of lynchings, chaining people up & dragging them from pickup trucks, domestic terror attacks, & the Confederate interpretation of the bible to justify enslaving other human beings who they consider "subhuman animals". When I see slogans like "The South Will Rise Again" or "Take Our Country Back", it reminds me of ISIS's "There is no god but God". These groups are all fundamentally the same. Hate groups just fiend for anti-hate groups to retaliate and fight fire with fire, just like ISIS welcomes retaliation. Oh how these domestic hate groups dream of a race war. These domestic terror groups within the US are ever closer to going full scale gorilla terror warfare, especially since they now believe they have the White House.
This is why I personally get annoyed with the idea that allowing Confederate monuments & flags on government property is just paying tribute to Southern history. These people were traitors, who like ISIS, tried to change a country to suit their perverted religious paradise. If someone wants to fly these flags on their own property, go for it. But the US has allowed these traitors to place their symbols on government property for too long. The *United* States of America should remove all such symbols and not apologize for one second. These are symbols of hate, treachery, and a disgusting ignorant ideology that has festered for too many years. IMHO, you can't fly both flags, they are diametrically opposed to each other: USA != CSA.
There is really no difference between a Christian State & an Islamic State, except perhaps the fact that the Islamic State is more open to diversity, as hilariously ridiculous as that sounds.
Too depressing. It's 2017 & extreme religious views are still wrecking society. So here's a lizard I saw (again) today:

these domestic terror groups within the US always remind me of ISIS .. except they are much more "silent" and infiltrate law enforcement, state & local government, and now the White House (Bannon specifically).

Imagine being that ignorant fuck who ruined his own life, by ramming that car into counter protestors and actually killing one person. Why'd he do it? He hates these people for what? There is a decent probability that he comes to grip with his own ignorance while serving life in prison .. He could in fact get swallowed up in prison by the Nazi Low Riders, but there's also the possibility that he realizes how he got duped. I just wish people could realize & admit that they have been duped. You look at Spencer, David Duke, etc.. they are just con artists who may or may not actually believe the garbage they are spewing. It's so easy to rise to the top in the "hate world" because so many people stay silent, all you have to do is "become loud" and people will follow.

Also: Donald Trump is such a pathetic piece of shit.

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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #786 on: August 14, 2017, 12:05:48 am »
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You mean like this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xfm1rf33bY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xfm1rf33bY</a>  :headbang:

Man I dunno, all the division in this country is just escalating to worrisome levels. It's just become hate for the other side, no mutual respect, no listening to one another, no driving meaningful measures into place. The president has alienated over half the country and made sure the other half don't trust news outlets. Essentially, no one is on the same page about what happens. The remaining percentage thinks this all an elitist/ Jewish conspiracy to keep everyone distracted while they hold the money and power. It's become quite a shit show.
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #787 on: August 14, 2017, 02:34:18 am »
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^^^i don't know, man, seems like you're edging toward a false equivalency. there is no need to listen to violent racists. they need to be beaten back from prominence and stripped of their power. a person like richard spencer or jason kessler doesn't deserve to be argued with. i hate them, they do not deserve my respect or yours or anyone's.

this is how you deal with jason kessler: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2017/aug/14/charlottesville-rally-organiser-chased-off-by-crowd-at-press-conference-video.

the idea that there's "no mutual respect" elides the fact that side A (1) is in power, (2) uses violence to enforce that power and has for 400 years, and (3) LITERALLY PROMOTES THE SUPREMACY OF ONE RACE OVER ALL OTHERS AND DEFENDS NAZIISM AND CHATTEL SLAVERY, while the side B is attempting to undo the structural oppression that benefits side A at the expense of millions of people despite all side A's deadly whining to the contrary. fuck side A.

ETA: http://www.politicalresearch.org/2017/08/10/a-guide-to-whos-coming-to-the-largest-white-nationalist-rally-in-a-decade/#_ednref9

and on double standards and false equivalencies: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/opinion/the-free-speech-hypocrisy-of-right-wing-media.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share&_r=0
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #788 on: August 14, 2017, 11:39:27 am »
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^^^i don't know, man, seems like you're edging toward a false equivalency. there is no need to listen to violent racists. they need to be beaten back from prominence and stripped of their power. a person like richard spencer or jason kessler doesn't deserve to be argued with. i hate them, they do not deserve my respect or yours or anyone's.

and the "pussy footing" is giving them more power. the idea that we need to hear them out, listen to their argument etc is just making them more powerful. Those kinds of statements, along with silence from people everywhere, gives them more power. there's a massive recruiting effort going on right now.

so ya, marginalize them until they fall off the edge.

their "history" (historic symbols of hatred) on gov property is what really bugs me.. confederate flags & monuments flying on government property is a disgrace. these people were traitors and are being honored on gov prop. small things like that give them hope.

edit: nothing to learn from these people: https://www.dailystormer.com/heather-heyer-woman-killed-in-road-rage-incident-was-a-fat-childless-32-year-old-slut/

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this is how you deal with jason kessler: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2017/aug/14/charlottesville-rally-organiser-chased-off-by-crowd-at-press-conference-video.

the idea that there's "no mutual respect" elides the fact that side A (1) is in power, (2) uses violence to enforce that power and has for 400 years, and (3) LITERALLY PROMOTES THE SUPREMACY OF ONE RACE OVER ALL OTHERS AND DEFENDS NAZIISM AND CHATTEL SLAVERY, while the side B is attempting to undo the structural oppression that benefits side A at the expense of millions of people despite all side A's deadly whining to the contrary. fuck side A.

fuck side A.





Also, I keep hearing people yap about "White Advocacy" groups: "I support white advocacy, not white supremacy". I asked one of these people (on IRC) to provide me with a "white advocacy group", he replied: "they've all been shut down". So, the KKK hasn't been shut down, but "good hearted white advocacy groups" have? He goes on to say these groups support white heritage, and aren't racist, just like there are groups for minorities, including the NAACP etc. So I ask him, fine, can you show me some kind of statement from these groups denouncing white supremacy groups? Or for example, denouncing David Duke, Richard Spencer, at the recent rallies? Obviously he couldn't provide any.. If it exists, i'd love to see it. Surely white supremacy groups would be a cancer against "good hearted white advocacy groups", if they were to exist. This is a line i'm seeing alot lately & i'm sure it tricks alot of people. FWIW, I replaced the C in NAACP with W to form NAAWP and this is what I got:

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National Association for the Advancement of White People

In 1979 David Duke left the Ku Klux Klan and incorporated a new group taking the name of the defunct National Association for the Advancement of White People.[5] It was headquartered in Metairie, an unincorporated place in Jefferson Parish, Louisiana, a suburb of New Orleans.

The NAAWP doesn't sound so progressive, however, when it comes to civil rights for black people. For instance, the group's web site defends the American slave system and argues that the white southerners suffered during the Civil War as much as blacks did under slavery.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2000/racists-offer-poor-whites-school-supplies-and-hate





i wrote this a while ago and got sidetracked by a bunch of stuff, not sure if coherent.

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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #789 on: August 14, 2017, 01:18:41 pm »
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Nooo, I didn't mean the event in itself in that those two sides should hear each other out. It was ambiguous but I meant on a macro the political scene is leaderless and without direction and there's mistrust in information. What happened in Charlottesville I believe is a consequence of that, that fringe groups are coming out because of the general ambiguity. The open dialogue applies to actual middle class concerns (healthcare, education, jobs) that should've been discussed to a greater degree before the election and are less so talked about now.

Also, I'm not for violently chasing people out and beating them, it shows just a lack of preparation and control and not to mention the humanitarian side (and yes even if they're Nazis). I'm all for gathering in peaceful counterprotest to show solidarity and direction. History has shown through MLK, Gandhi, Mandela, etc. that those measures are most effective long term and also exemplify to the general public that your movement is legitimate and can bring people together. That's how you win people over, win elections, and over time win the course of history.

On another note how are hate groups allowed to assemble? I would first of all expect these groups to be denied that right based on the fact that they're indirectly threating people and spreading fear. Is it easy to argue otherwise?
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #790 on: August 14, 2017, 07:02:05 pm »
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saw this today.. lmao! hugged it out, nice.  :ninja:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idEKvMD66Qw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idEKvMD66Qw</a>

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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #791 on: August 14, 2017, 11:30:12 pm »
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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #792 on: August 15, 2017, 12:09:49 am »
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Nooo, I didn't mean the event in itself in that those two sides should hear each other out. It was ambiguous but I meant on a macro the political scene is leaderless and without direction and there's mistrust in information. What happened in Charlottesville I believe is a consequence of that, that fringe groups are coming out because of the general ambiguity. The open dialogue applies to actual middle class concerns (healthcare, education, jobs) that should've been discussed to a greater degree before the election and are less so talked about now.

Also, I'm not for violently chasing people out and beating them, it shows just a lack of preparation and control and not to mention the humanitarian side (and yes even if they're Nazis). I'm all for gathering in peaceful counterprotest to show solidarity and direction. History has shown through MLK, Gandhi, Mandela, etc. that those measures are most effective long term and also exemplify to the general public that your movement is legitimate and can bring people together. That's how you win people over, win elections, and over time win the course of history.

I'm not for violence against these groups either. Stuff can easily get out of hand & someone could pay for their life because of it. Law enforcement & the gov just needs to do their job.

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On another note how are hate groups allowed to assemble? I would first of all expect these groups to be denied that right based on the fact that they're indirectly threating people and spreading fear. Is it easy to argue otherwise?

well, if they are assembling but not actually making threats, they will be allowed to assemble. I mean for them it's just a show of power, recruiting effort, etc.. Showing up armed in an open carry state looks menacing but they are apparently allowed to do it soo.. I'd personally feel better if they were allowed to assemble, counter protestors showed up and made them look like they had no numbers, and then people at all levels of government denounced them, including the WH (unreal that has to be specifically mentioned now). It also would have been nice if police officers would have helped to prevent clashing between hate & anti-hate, instead of just letting sh*t get out of control because the white supremacists were armed to the teeth.. i mean wtf? What a failure. If "militia" people would have flexed at all while having weapons, police should have forced them to the ground immediately & rounded them up. Total failure.

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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #793 on: August 15, 2017, 12:16:38 am »
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http://www.inforum.com/opinion/letters/4311880-letter-family-denounces-teffts-racist-rhetoric-and-actions

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He once joked, “The thing about us fascists is, it’s not that we don’t believe in freedom of speech. You can say whatever you want. We’ll just throw you in an oven.”

Peter, you will have to shovel our bodies into the oven, too. Please son, renounce the hate, accept and love all.

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Re: 2016: USA Live Voting Results
« Reply #794 on: August 15, 2017, 12:30:30 am »
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Been looking at a bunch of clean-cut photos of white supremacists marching w/ their tiki torches & occasionally doing nazi salutes in Charlottesville.. just so weird.