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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2012, 07:56:00 am »
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Those people will ALWAYS have guns, no matter what.  The people who obey the law are the ones who will follow it, not the criminals. 

And I dont have a gun fetish you USA hating fucktard, if a group of morons wanted to outlaw cars, I would oppose that as well. 
 

Of course the criminals will always have guns, but these murders come from "regular" people that are not underground criminals or anything like that. Just "regular" folk.

And yes, having enough guns to kill a country, like you do, sounds like a gun fetish to me.

PS. Why not give nuclear weapons to everybody? To the "good" people? The bad guys have them so... why not everbody?
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2012, 08:00:36 am »
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You can make gun laws as strict as possible, but if the neighbour country has no ban, it's my guess that it's still very easy to get guns. I have no way of verifying this, just my thought.

There will always be ways to get guns. Drugs are illegal too, see how well that works.


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I don't buy the good people defending themselves with guns, if there were no guns in the first place for both sides, there would be lot less victims. Guns are all over the place though in the us because they are being mass produced. I know i'm being a bit too idealistic here...

if there were NO guns- Well you make that happen Arnoud, lol.  Then we can see about changing the law that will no longer put a supreme advantage in criminals hands.
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2012, 08:07:42 am »
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Those people will ALWAYS have guns, no matter what.  The people who obey the law are the ones who will follow it, not the criminals. 

And I dont have a gun fetish you USA hating fucktard, if a group of morons wanted to outlaw cars, I would oppose that as well. 
 

Of course the criminals will always have guns, but these murders come from "regular" people that are not underground criminals or anything like that. Just "regular" folk.

People who mass murder innocent kids and others are not "regular folk".


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And yes, having enough guns to kill a country, like you do, sounds like a gun fetish to me.

My guns have never killed anyone, nor robbed anyone.  Perhaps they dont work right?


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PS. Why not give nuclear weapons to everybody? To the "good" people? The bad guys have them so... why not everbody?

Idiotic point.  There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and that line should be what is useful for civilian/work use, and what is strictly military. 
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2012, 09:40:38 am »
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No, they are regular folk. Some people have periods of insanity because some random shit happens in their lives at some point and then they remember they have "this gun(s)" that they can use. Different than a knife because of the mental process and cowardly availability (and range killing).

As for the nuclear weapons - let me guess - you're the one that draws that line, right? Oh guns are allowed but nuclear weapons don't. If you ask me, guns shouldn't be allowed unless you go through psychiatric examinations, gun training etc etc etc, with people RESPONSIBLE (other than you) if you do stupid shit. Then maybe more psychos wouldn't get so many guns.

I agree with you on the "thugs will get illegal guns anyway" part, I agree you should be able to defend etc, but this needs to be addressed better in your country apparently.
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2012, 09:50:46 am »
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No, they are regular folk. Some people have periods of insanity because some random shit happens in their lives at some point and then they remember they have "this gun(s)" that they can use. Different than a knife because of the mental process and cowardly availability (and range killing).

As for the nuclear weapons - let me guess - you're the one that draws that line, right? Oh guns are allowed but nuclear weapons don't. If you ask me, guns shouldn't be allowed unless you go through psychiatric examinations, gun training etc etc etc, with people RESPONSIBLE (other than you) if you do stupid shit. Then maybe more psychos wouldn't get so many guns.

I agree with you on the "thugs will get illegal guns anyway" part, I agree you should be able to defend etc, but this needs to be addressed better in your country apparently.

Exactly. The line isn't drawn by the people or the government, but the aggressors. Surely there was a time when the idea of 300 million privately owned firearms in one country would have been considered idiotic...what if in 100 years, small scale nuclear weapons were being mass produced?

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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2012, 10:49:03 am »
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Raptor already made my point, but how are you gonna differ between good and bad people? A man snaps because he lost his job and child, a man snaps because of psychosis never diagnosed, etc. The point still is, a gun is a much more efficient killing weapon than for instance a knife. Defending yourself with a gun, how about friendly fire, accidental killings etc. All those high school & college massacres, think they would be just as bad with a knife? If the people who were killed had a gun themselves, would they be alert enough to kill a killer? How are you gonna defend yourself when a killer can always make the first move. Remove the gun and everything is solved,

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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2012, 11:45:49 am »
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No, they are regular folk. Some people have periods of insanity because some random shit happens in their lives at some point and then they remember they have "this gun(s)" that they can use. Different than a knife because of the mental process and cowardly availability (and range killing).

Regular people have melt downs, of course they do.  Regular people dont act out on it killing innocent others though.  These people have serious issues and will continue to exist until the root of the problem is addressed.

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As for the nuclear weapons - let me guess - you're the one that draws that line, right? Oh guns are allowed but nuclear weapons don't. If you ask me, guns shouldn't be allowed unless you go through psychiatric examinations, gun training etc etc etc, with people RESPONSIBLE (other than you) if you do stupid shit. Then maybe more psychos wouldn't get so many guns.

Much, MUCH more thorough training is needed without doubt.  I agree with you on the physch exams in theory, however I dont put tons of faith into the method.  Its definitely worth a try though.   


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I agree with you on the "thugs will get illegal guns anyway" part, I agree you should be able to defend etc, but this needs to be addressed better in your country apparently.

It does, so why do you think this happens HERE?  Do you honestly think these things would happen as much anywhere else in the world with similar gun laws?

I dont.



btw, raptor, youve been very vocal and outspoken on here about our government and how corrupt it is.  How can you be such a hypocrite and will people under this government to give up their ONLY means of protection, and hand all power (which is exactly what a gun ban does) to the government?

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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2012, 11:53:37 am »
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So you use your weapons against the government? If that's not paranoia I don't know what is.
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2012, 01:44:33 pm »
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http://m.gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother

Really good read from a different perspective.
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2012, 03:39:54 pm »
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So you use your weapons against the government? If that's not paranoia I don't know what is.

Thats not what I said dipshit, I said YOU, YOURSELF, have made the claim that OUR OWN GOVERNMENT was responsible for attacking its own people on 9-11/etc.  I am asking what kind of fucking hypocrite holds these  beliefs, yet would suggest that the people give up their right to defend themselves.  You either have some  backpedaling to do, or youre a hypocritical moron.  And I dont come CLOSE to sharing your views on our government fyi.
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2012, 04:00:59 pm »
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So you use your weapons against the government? If that's not paranoia I don't know what is.

Thats not what I said dipshit, I said YOU, YOURSELF, have made the claim that OUR OWN GOVERNMENT was responsible for attacking its own people on 9-11/etc.  I am asking what kind of fucking hypocrite holds these  beliefs, yet would suggest that the people give up their right to defend themselves.  You either have some  backpedaling to do, or youre a hypocritical moron.  And I dont come CLOSE to sharing your views on our government fyi.

"dipshit"? Sounds like paranoia to me. Already swearing for having an opinion. Oh boy, hold on with that aggressivity! I hope you don't have a gun near you. Maybe a pitbull? Meh...

Wait so... if I said your own people attacked at 9/11 then I must agree with you also having weapons? It's not like it was OBVIOUS your people did it. If the FBI said "hey we're the FBI, we're attacking you!" then yeah, definitely.
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2012, 04:02:52 pm »
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http://m.gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother

Really good read from a different perspective.

very good.  This is part of what I was getting at earlier, we have a deeper issue that wont go away here until its addressed.  The way these things are reported and made into movies is also a potential issue.
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2012, 04:06:15 pm »
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So you use your weapons against the government? If that's not paranoia I don't know what is.

Thats not what I said dipshit, I said YOU, YOURSELF, have made the claim that OUR OWN GOVERNMENT was responsible for attacking its own people on 9-11/etc.  I am asking what kind of fucking hypocrite holds these  beliefs, yet would suggest that the people give up their right to defend themselves.  You either have some  backpedaling to do, or youre a hypocritical moron.  And I dont come CLOSE to sharing your views on our government fyi.

"dipshit"? Sounds like paranoia to me. Already swearing for having an opinion. Oh boy, hold on with that aggressivity! I hope you don't have a gun near you. Maybe a pitbull? Meh...

Wait so... if I said your own people attacked at 9/11 then I must agree with you also having weapons? It's not like it was OBVIOUS your people did it. If the FBI said "hey we're the FBI, we're attacking you!" then yeah, definitely.

You are the one that said that Raptor.  YOU said, our government was responsible and we were all morons etc.  You want the people under this government you think is so tainted to  bow down and  be good sheeple?   Do you even know why the first three amendments were made in the first place? 

and lol at your gun remarks.  If I wanted to hurt you Id use something like a nerf  bat.
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2012, 04:14:59 pm »
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and then he kills himself. Then what after that. The criminal just shot himself to get away with crime, but he won't get away with it, believe me, he won't


Says who?

Yeshua has said it of course...

I believe he definitely is regretting for what he has did... It's a terrible tragedy, I don't know the story yet but did the elementary school have an officer on campus?

he's not regretting anything, he's dead. also, how incredibly distressing is it that even occurred to you there should be a police officer in an elementary school.

Yes he is physically dead but if there's a difference of opinion about life after death. which there is, then there is a difference from my answer to yours....also it's true 50 years ago we wouldn't need to have had officers in our schools bc these tragedies were unheard of, but I thought it was a law or something instituted for at least one emergency personnel such as an officer be there. .. I just found he killed his mom also...


This was before I knew about the schools security as the story was unfolding

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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2012, 04:54:24 pm »
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So you use your weapons against the government? If that's not paranoia I don't know what is.

Thats not what I said dipshit, I said YOU, YOURSELF, have made the claim that OUR OWN GOVERNMENT was responsible for attacking its own people on 9-11/etc.  I am asking what kind of fucking hypocrite holds these  beliefs, yet would suggest that the people give up their right to defend themselves.  You either have some  backpedaling to do, or youre a hypocritical moron.  And I dont come CLOSE to sharing your views on our government fyi.

"dipshit"? Sounds like paranoia to me. Already swearing for having an opinion. Oh boy, hold on with that aggressivity! I hope you don't have a gun near you. Maybe a pitbull? Meh...

Wait so... if I said your own people attacked at 9/11 then I must agree with you also having weapons? It's not like it was OBVIOUS your people did it. If the FBI said "hey we're the FBI, we're attacking you!" then yeah, definitely.

You are the one that said that Raptor.  YOU said, our government was responsible and we were all morons etc.  You want the people under this government you think is so tainted to  bow down and  be good sheeple?   Do you even know why the first three amendments were made in the first place? 

and lol at your gun remarks.  If I wanted to hurt you Id use something like a nerf  bat.

So you assume that if I said that I would agree with people taking up guns to defend themselves from their own government? How about voting the right persons (voting is not the be-all end-all of this, but it's still a step). How about doing demonstrations, meetings? How about penalizing partizan televisions (Fox) etc. There are other ways.
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