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Christopher Dorner manhunt - happening now
« on: February 07, 2013, 01:43:19 pm »
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this is nuts..

Christopher Dorner's revenge. Long read but well worth it.. this whole event is playing out right now in Cali, they got a live feed on ktla.com/live ... A military base is locked down right now.

http://ktla.com/2013/02/07/read-christopher-dorners-so-called-manifesto



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Re: Christopher Dorner manhunt - happening now
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2013, 07:32:28 pm »
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the cops opened fire on two vehicles thinking it was dorner.. nuts.. they shot two people in one truck, and shot at another truck but the guy didnt get hit.

now they have trackers on him + "100 fbi agents" in this wilderness/preserve area, where they found his truck burned up.

crazy shit

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Re: Christopher Dorner manhunt - happening now
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2013, 08:22:28 pm »
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Excellent job identifying your suspect/target. SMDH.
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Re: Christopher Dorner manhunt - happening now
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2013, 11:23:54 pm »
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 http://gunssavelives.net/blog/former-lapd-spree-killer-left-manifesto-calling-for-more-gun-control-another-criminal-support-gun-bans/

libtards gotta love it!


LMAO


did you mean repubtards gotta love it? this is definitely going to boost gun sales.

big win for the NRA.


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Re: Christopher Dorner manhunt - happening now
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2013, 11:31:57 pm »
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 http://gunssavelives.net/blog/former-lapd-spree-killer-left-manifesto-calling-for-more-gun-control-another-criminal-support-gun-bans/

libtards gotta love it!


LMAO


did you mean repubtards gotta love it? this is definitely going to boost gun sales.

big win for the NRA.


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You disrespect the office of the POTUS/Presidency and Commander in Chief. You call him Kenyan, mongroid, halfrican, muslim, and FBHO when in essence you are to address him as simply, President. The same as you did to President George W. Bush and all those in the highest ranking position of our land before him. Just as I always have. You question his birth certificate, his educational and professional accomplishments, and his judeo-christian beliefs. You make disparaging remarks about his dead parents. You never questioned the fact that his former opponent, the honorable Senator John McCain, was not born in the CONUS or that Bush had a C average in his undergrad. Electoral Candidates children (Romney) state they want to punch the president in the face during debates with no formal repercussions. No one even questioned the fact that the son just made a criminal threat toward the President. You call his wife a Wookie. Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama. A woman whose professional and educational accomplishments are second to none when compared to recent First wives. You call his supporters, whether black, brown, yellow, or white, leeches, FSA, welfare recipients, and ni$&er lovers. You say this openly without any discretion. Before you start with your argument that you believe I would vote for Obama because he has the same skin color as me, fuck you. I didn’t vote in this last election as my choice of candidate, John Huntsman, didn’t win the primary candidacy for his party. Mr. President, I haven’t agreed with all of your decisions but of course I haven’t agreed with all of your predecessors decisions. I think you’ve done a hell of a job with what you have been dealt and how you have managed it. I shed a tear the night you were initially elected President in 2008. I never thought that day would occur. A black man elected president in the U.S. in my lifetime. I cracked a smiled when you were re-elected in 2012 because I really didn’t think you were going to pull that one off. Romney, stop being a sore loser. You could’ve exited graciously and still contributed significantly to public service, not now. Mr. President, get back to work. Many want to see you fail as they have stated so many times previously. Unfortunately, if you fail, the U.S. fails but your opponents do not concern themselves about the big picture. Do not forget your commitment to transparency in your administration. Sometimes I believe your administration forgets that. America, you will realize today and tomorrow that this world is made up of all human beings who have the same general needs and wants in life for themselves, their kin, community, and state. That is the freedom to LIVE and LOVE. They may eat different foods, enjoy different music, have different dialects, or speak a second language, but in essence are no different from you and I. This is America. We are not a perfect sovereign country as we have our own flaws but we are the closest that will ever exist.

Well said.


 No, I meant libtards, ie, the anti second ammendment, pick up the guns, crew.  Cops shot the truck no? This guy was a cop no?  Wouldnt they still have guns if feinstein and the left get their way?   

 The nra misquote makes no sense at all, they are on the right side on this one.
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Re: Christopher Dorner manhunt - happening now
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2013, 11:47:17 pm »
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 http://gunssavelives.net/blog/former-lapd-spree-killer-left-manifesto-calling-for-more-gun-control-another-criminal-support-gun-bans/

libtards gotta love it!


LMAO


did you mean repubtards gotta love it? this is definitely going to boost gun sales.

big win for the NRA.


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 No, I meant libtards, ie, the anti second ammendment, pick up the guns, crew.  Cops shot the truck no? This guy was a cop no?  Wouldnt they still have guns if feinstein and the left get their way?   

 The nra misquote makes no sense at all, they are on the right side on this one.

I didn't know liberals were anti second amendment? When did this happen? Clue me in.

I was under the impression that even conservative supreme court justices, such as Justice Scalia, believe that a ban on 'assault weapons' and 'high capacity mags/clips' is constitutional.

http://www.businessinsider.com/scalias-2008-second-amendment-opinion-2012-12

Maybe he's really a libtard. Perhaps he's one of Obama's secret operatives.

I guess i'm just extremely curious: How exactly is an assault weapons ban anti 2nd amendment, but a ban on automatic weapons isn't? Or are you of the mindset that there should be no limit to what type of weaponry a U.S. citizen can obtain?

The NRA doesn't even support universal background checks anymore. If repubtards get their way, 8 years from now we'll all be purchasing tanks to defend ourselves from ni99ers and such.

smh



edit: The NRA misquote makes plenty of sense..

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun"

NRA wants armed police / "volunteers" (LMAO) everywhere. Yet even the most highly trained (ignorant pigs) are shooting unarmed civilians because they are blood thirsty. So I guess I would disagree with the solution to America's violence problem as being: 'let's put more ignorant abusers of authority with weapons everywhere possible". Soccer mom's with AR15's is probably a bad idea as well.

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Re: Christopher Dorner manhunt - happening now
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2013, 12:17:39 am »
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Re: Christopher Dorner manhunt - happening now
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2013, 12:33:26 am »
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I didn't know liberals were anti second amendment? When did this happen? Clue me in.

 You mean those guys going around saying "death to the second ammendment" arent liberal?   Thats like saying there are Republicans out there who arent "pro tanks for defending themselves against niggers and such".   No way.

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I was under the impression that even conservative supreme court justices, such as Justice Scalia, believe that a ban on 'assault weapons' and 'high capacity mags/clips' is constitutional.

http://www.businessinsider.com/scalias-2008-second-amendment-opinion-2012-12

Maybe he's really a libtard. Perhaps he's one of Obama's secret operatives.

Possible.  Its also possible that he is exactly as he seems, and has nothing to do with a gun control advocate going on a shooting rampage  being fucking HILARIOUSLY ironic. Maybe I posted this in the wrong thread...

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I guess i'm just extremely curious: How exactly is an assault weapons ban anti 2nd amendment, but a ban on automatic weapons isn't? Or are you of the mindset that there should be no limit to what type of weaponry a U.S. citizen can obtain?

I dont really think it is.  When I say libtards, Im referring to those who want to  ban ALL weapons, and this push is happening.  Feinstein fits this description perfectly.


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The NRA doesn't even support universal background checks anymore. If repubtards get their way, 8 years from now we'll all be purchasing tanks to defend ourselves from ni99ers and such.

smh

 There had to  be a  background check system in place and one that is good at keeping firearms out of the wrong hands.  There is a HUGE difference in that and a registration plan that allows a weapons pick up shortly after.  Look at every single country that has instituted this, and what happened right after. 



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edit: The NRA misquote makes plenty of sense..

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun"

NRA wants armed police / "volunteers" (LMAO) everywhere. Yet even the most highly trained (ignorant pigs) are shooting unarmed civilians because they are blood thirsty. So I guess I would disagree with the solution to America's violence problem as being: 'let's put more ignorant abusers of authority with weapons everywhere possible". Soccer mom's with AR15's is probably a bad idea as well.

The police who did this do not fit your description of the NRAs "wants".  They have nothing to do with the NRAs suggestions, and will  be there whether the nra gets its way or not.    The NRA goes overboard sometimes,  they also have nothing to do with a gun control advocate nutcase going on a shooting rampage.
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Re: Christopher Dorner manhunt - happening now
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2013, 01:05:49 am »
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I didn't know liberals were anti second amendment? When did this happen? Clue me in.

 You mean those guys going around saying "death to the second ammendment" arent liberal?   Thats like saying there are Republicans out there who arent "pro tanks for defending themselves against niggers and such".   No way.

dno what your sources are but, most democrats aren't "anti 2nd amendment". They don't want to ban ALL guns. It's absolutely impossible to ban ALL guns in this country. What is possible however, is to limit & regulate. Anti "assault weapon people" want a ban on mass killing machines. Sounds sensible to me. Sounds about as sensible as banning automatic weapons -> which most people agree with.

Assigning the "Death to second amendment label" to liberals because of a very small group of activists is similar to assigning "All christians are psychos" because of Westboro Baptist Church.

The vast majority of liberals want what they see as "sensible gun control", which is handguns for self defense, hunting rifles, etc.

The democratic party is as anti second amendment as Justice Scalia is. Our constitution and supreme court would never allow a full gun ban, that's just scare tactics thrown out there 24/7 by the gun lobby.

Scare tactics increase gun sales.




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I was under the impression that even conservative supreme court justices, such as Justice Scalia, believe that a ban on 'assault weapons' and 'high capacity mags/clips' is constitutional.

http://www.businessinsider.com/scalias-2008-second-amendment-opinion-2012-12

Maybe he's really a libtard. Perhaps he's one of Obama's secret operatives.

Possible.  Its also possible that he is exactly as he seems, and has nothing to do with a gun control advocate going on a shooting rampage  being fucking HILARIOUSLY ironic. Maybe I posted this in the wrong thread...

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I guess i'm just extremely curious: How exactly is an assault weapons ban anti 2nd amendment, but a ban on automatic weapons isn't? Or are you of the mindset that there should be no limit to what type of weaponry a U.S. citizen can obtain?

I dont really think it is.  When I say libtards, Im referring to those who want to  ban ALL weapons, and this push is happening.  Feinstein fits this description perfectly.

She does? How? Her AWB still allows 2,000+ weapons. I'm failing to draw a correlation between "ban all weapons" and a bill that allows 2,000+ different types of weapons to remain legal. Most people harp on a comment she made about "if i could remove all guns I would", which is actually something republicans and NRA members have also said, but it's usually followed by "but that's never going to happen" etc.

She hates guns, she witnessed two of her colleagues die right in front of her due to gun violence. Plus she's female. Obviously she's going to be more adversely effected. Regardless, her opinion doesn't overrule the constitution and the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment is still up to interpretation, it's not set in stone that u.s. citizens should be able to legally own weapon X & weapon Y. These interpretations evolve.

Again, many conservatives are now interpreting the 2nd amendment to mean "any weapon". Automatic, tank, rocket launcher, gatlin gun, etc.

That's not "sensible".



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The NRA doesn't even support universal background checks anymore. If repubtards get their way, 8 years from now we'll all be purchasing tanks to defend ourselves from ni99ers and such.

smh

 There had to  be a  background check system in place and one that is good at keeping firearms out of the wrong hands.  There is a HUGE difference in that and a registration plan that allows a weapons pick up shortly after.  Look at every single country that has instituted this, and what happened right after. 

We're not every other country though. Gun rights are in our constitution. Most countries don't have a constitutional decree like we do.

Regardless, it's still up to interpretation and evolution. When they wrote the 2nd amendment, times were much different. Weaponry was much different. The state vs federal government was much different.

A complete gun ban would be unconstitutional, no supreme court would ever pass it.

Why anyone would be against universal background checks is beyond me. The NRA's excuses don't make a shred of sense.



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edit: The NRA misquote makes plenty of sense..

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun"

NRA wants armed police / "volunteers" (LMAO) everywhere. Yet even the most highly trained (ignorant pigs) are shooting unarmed civilians because they are blood thirsty. So I guess I would disagree with the solution to America's violence problem as being: 'let's put more ignorant abusers of authority with weapons everywhere possible". Soccer mom's with AR15's is probably a bad idea as well.

The police who did this do not fit your description of the NRAs "wants".  They have nothing to do with the NRAs suggestions, and will  be there whether the nra gets its way or not.    The NRA goes overboard sometimes,  they also have nothing to do with a gun control advocate nutcase going on a shooting rampage.

They don't? The law officers who shot those ladies could easily be the ones given school protection duty.

I find it hilarious that the NRA / gun lobby is "AFRAID" of a tyrannical government/police state, yet, they want more police/law enforcement officers, armed, everywhere.

The NRA may have had something to do with this nutcase actually. The gun lobby is partly responsible for this beyond fucked gun culture & weak background check/loopholes that make it too easy for idiots to obtain weapons.


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Re: Christopher Dorner manhunt - happening now
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2013, 01:19:18 am »
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I didn't know liberals were anti second amendment? When did this happen? Clue me in.

 You mean those guys going around saying "death to the second ammendment" arent liberal?   Thats like saying there are Republicans out there who arent "pro tanks for defending themselves against niggers and such".   No way.

dno what your sources are but, most democrats aren't "anti 2nd amendment". They don't want to ban ALL guns. It's absolutely impossible to ban ALL guns in this country. What is possible however, is to limit & regulate. Anti "assault weapon people" want a ban on mass killing machines. Sounds sensible to me. Sounds about as sensible as banning automatic weapons -> which most people agree with.

Assigning the "Death to second amendment label" to liberals because of a very small group of activists is similar to assigning "All christians are psychos" because of Westboro Baptist Church.

The vast majority of liberals want what they see as "sensible gun control", which is handguns for self defense, hunting rifles, etc.

The democratic party is as anti second amendment as Justice Scalia is. Our constitution and supreme court would never allow a full gun ban, that's just scare tactics thrown out there 24/7 by the gun lobby.

Scare tactics increase gun sales.




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I was under the impression that even conservative supreme court justices, such as Justice Scalia, believe that a ban on 'assault weapons' and 'high capacity mags/clips' is constitutional.

http://www.businessinsider.com/scalias-2008-second-amendment-opinion-2012-12

Maybe he's really a libtard. Perhaps he's one of Obama's secret operatives.

Possible.  Its also possible that he is exactly as he seems, and has nothing to do with a gun control advocate going on a shooting rampage  being fucking HILARIOUSLY ironic. Maybe I posted this in the wrong thread...

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I guess i'm just extremely curious: How exactly is an assault weapons ban anti 2nd amendment, but a ban on automatic weapons isn't? Or are you of the mindset that there should be no limit to what type of weaponry a U.S. citizen can obtain?

I dont really think it is.  When I say libtards, Im referring to those who want to  ban ALL weapons, and this push is happening.  Feinstein fits this description perfectly.

She does? How? Her AWB still allows 2,000+ weapons. I'm failing to draw a correlation between "ban all weapons" and a bill that allows 2,000+ different types of weapons to remain legal. Most people harp on a comment she made about "if i could remove all guns I would", which is actually something republicans and NRA members have also said, but it's usually followed by "but that's never going to happen" etc.

She hates guns, she witnessed two of her colleagues die right in front of her due to gun violence. Plus she's female. Obviously she's going to be more adversely effected. Regardless, her opinion doesn't overrule the constitution and the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment is still up to interpretation, it's not set in stone that u.s. citizens should be able to legally own weapon X & weapon Y. These interpretations evolve.

Again, many conservatives are now interpreting the 2nd amendment to mean "any weapon". Automatic, tank, rocket launcher, gatlin gun, etc.

That's not "sensible".



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The NRA doesn't even support universal background checks anymore. If repubtards get their way, 8 years from now we'll all be purchasing tanks to defend ourselves from ni99ers and such.

smh

 There had to  be a  background check system in place and one that is good at keeping firearms out of the wrong hands.  There is a HUGE difference in that and a registration plan that allows a weapons pick up shortly after.  Look at every single country that has instituted this, and what happened right after. 

We're not every other country though. Gun rights are in our constitution. Most countries don't have a constitutional decree like we do.

Regardless, it's still up to interpretation and evolution. When they wrote the 2nd amendment, times were much different. Weaponry was much different. The state vs federal government was much different.

A complete gun ban would be unconstitutional, no supreme court would ever pass it.

Why anyone would be against universal background checks is beyond me. The NRA's excuses don't make a shred of sense.



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edit: The NRA misquote makes plenty of sense..

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun"

NRA wants armed police / "volunteers" (LMAO) everywhere. Yet even the most highly trained (ignorant pigs) are shooting unarmed civilians because they are blood thirsty. So I guess I would disagree with the solution to America's violence problem as being: 'let's put more ignorant abusers of authority with weapons everywhere possible". Soccer mom's with AR15's is probably a bad idea as well.

The police who did this do not fit your description of the NRAs "wants".  They have nothing to do with the NRAs suggestions, and will  be there whether the nra gets its way or not.    The NRA goes overboard sometimes,  they also have nothing to do with a gun control advocate nutcase going on a shooting rampage.

They don't? The law officers who shot those ladies could easily be the ones given school protection duty.

I find it hilarious that the NRA / gun lobby is "AFRAID" of a tyrannical government/police state, yet, they want more police/law enforcement officers, armed, everywhere.

The NRA may have had something to do with this nutcase actually. The gun lobby is partly responsible for this beyond fucked gun culture & weak background check/loopholes that make it too easy for idiots to obtain weapons.


lmao.  Feinstein has a CONCEAL CARRY PERMIT IN CALIFORNIA......Do you know how hard it is to even own a gun in California?  ask Kingfish.  This type of hypocrisy is fucking insane and excusing it for whatever reason so you can stay with a "party" is nuts. 

you have no idea what is going to happen, and neither do I.  Making a "never" statement is silly at this point, so much shit is changing.

Idiots, like THIS GUY, are GOING to get weapons, thats the great irony here.  He was a COP.  A complete and fucking total gun  ban would have done absolutely NOTHING here, except make him even more dangerous.   

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Re: Christopher Dorner manhunt - happening now
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2013, 01:47:20 am »
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I didn't know liberals were anti second amendment? When did this happen? Clue me in.

 You mean those guys going around saying "death to the second ammendment" arent liberal?   Thats like saying there are Republicans out there who arent "pro tanks for defending themselves against niggers and such".   No way.

dno what your sources are but, most democrats aren't "anti 2nd amendment". They don't want to ban ALL guns. It's absolutely impossible to ban ALL guns in this country. What is possible however, is to limit & regulate. Anti "assault weapon people" want a ban on mass killing machines. Sounds sensible to me. Sounds about as sensible as banning automatic weapons -> which most people agree with.

Assigning the "Death to second amendment label" to liberals because of a very small group of activists is similar to assigning "All christians are psychos" because of Westboro Baptist Church.

The vast majority of liberals want what they see as "sensible gun control", which is handguns for self defense, hunting rifles, etc.

The democratic party is as anti second amendment as Justice Scalia is. Our constitution and supreme court would never allow a full gun ban, that's just scare tactics thrown out there 24/7 by the gun lobby.

Scare tactics increase gun sales.




Quote
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I was under the impression that even conservative supreme court justices, such as Justice Scalia, believe that a ban on 'assault weapons' and 'high capacity mags/clips' is constitutional.

http://www.businessinsider.com/scalias-2008-second-amendment-opinion-2012-12

Maybe he's really a libtard. Perhaps he's one of Obama's secret operatives.

Possible.  Its also possible that he is exactly as he seems, and has nothing to do with a gun control advocate going on a shooting rampage  being fucking HILARIOUSLY ironic. Maybe I posted this in the wrong thread...

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I guess i'm just extremely curious: How exactly is an assault weapons ban anti 2nd amendment, but a ban on automatic weapons isn't? Or are you of the mindset that there should be no limit to what type of weaponry a U.S. citizen can obtain?

I dont really think it is.  When I say libtards, Im referring to those who want to  ban ALL weapons, and this push is happening.  Feinstein fits this description perfectly.

She does? How? Her AWB still allows 2,000+ weapons. I'm failing to draw a correlation between "ban all weapons" and a bill that allows 2,000+ different types of weapons to remain legal. Most people harp on a comment she made about "if i could remove all guns I would", which is actually something republicans and NRA members have also said, but it's usually followed by "but that's never going to happen" etc.

She hates guns, she witnessed two of her colleagues die right in front of her due to gun violence. Plus she's female. Obviously she's going to be more adversely effected. Regardless, her opinion doesn't overrule the constitution and the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment is still up to interpretation, it's not set in stone that u.s. citizens should be able to legally own weapon X & weapon Y. These interpretations evolve.

Again, many conservatives are now interpreting the 2nd amendment to mean "any weapon". Automatic, tank, rocket launcher, gatlin gun, etc.

That's not "sensible".



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The NRA doesn't even support universal background checks anymore. If repubtards get their way, 8 years from now we'll all be purchasing tanks to defend ourselves from ni99ers and such.

smh

 There had to  be a  background check system in place and one that is good at keeping firearms out of the wrong hands.  There is a HUGE difference in that and a registration plan that allows a weapons pick up shortly after.  Look at every single country that has instituted this, and what happened right after. 

We're not every other country though. Gun rights are in our constitution. Most countries don't have a constitutional decree like we do.

Regardless, it's still up to interpretation and evolution. When they wrote the 2nd amendment, times were much different. Weaponry was much different. The state vs federal government was much different.

A complete gun ban would be unconstitutional, no supreme court would ever pass it.

Why anyone would be against universal background checks is beyond me. The NRA's excuses don't make a shred of sense.



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edit: The NRA misquote makes plenty of sense..

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun"

NRA wants armed police / "volunteers" (LMAO) everywhere. Yet even the most highly trained (ignorant pigs) are shooting unarmed civilians because they are blood thirsty. So I guess I would disagree with the solution to America's violence problem as being: 'let's put more ignorant abusers of authority with weapons everywhere possible". Soccer mom's with AR15's is probably a bad idea as well.

The police who did this do not fit your description of the NRAs "wants".  They have nothing to do with the NRAs suggestions, and will  be there whether the nra gets its way or not.    The NRA goes overboard sometimes,  they also have nothing to do with a gun control advocate nutcase going on a shooting rampage.

They don't? The law officers who shot those ladies could easily be the ones given school protection duty.

I find it hilarious that the NRA / gun lobby is "AFRAID" of a tyrannical government/police state, yet, they want more police/law enforcement officers, armed, everywhere.

The NRA may have had something to do with this nutcase actually. The gun lobby is partly responsible for this beyond fucked gun culture & weak background check/loopholes that make it too easy for idiots to obtain weapons.


lmao.  Feinstein has a CONCEAL CARRY PERMIT IN CALIFORNIA......

She needs one... and she's not trying to ban all guns, so i don't see the hypocrisy?



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Do you know how hard it is to even own a gun in California?  ask Kingfish.  This type of hypocrisy is fucking insane and excusing it for whatever reason so you can stay with a "party" is nuts. 

I still fail to see the hypocrisy. People own guns in Cali, it's just alot harder. People also have CWL's, it's just harder. She's not the only person with a CWL + handgun in Cali. Also, she's a senator who is anti gun lobby. She definitely needs a hand gun for extra protection, which doesn't make her a hypocrite because she's not trying to ban hand guns.

I love Calorifornia's 10 day waiting period & manadatory purchase through licensed dealers.

Also I hear they go around trying to confiscate guns from felons. People who have guns registered before committing felonies, commit felonies, then they send out these squads to confiscate their guns.

Sounds great to me.



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you have no idea what is going to happen, and neither do I.  Making a "never" statement is silly at this point, so much shit is changing.

I'll give you that one. Ok i'll change my 'never' to 'not in our lifetimes'.




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Idiots, like THIS GUY, are GOING to get weapons, thats the great irony here.  He was a COP.  A complete and fucking total gun  ban would have done absolutely NOTHING here, except make him even more dangerous.   

Right, but I don't really know anyone who is complete gun ban other than LBSS & Raptor. I don't know anyone IRL who is complete gun ban. The vast majority of democrats/liberals aren't promoting a complete gun ban.

The issue seems to be specific to high capacity mags/clips & semi automatic rifles. Either complete ban and/or much tougher regulations/licensing to own those weapons.

The NRA is hurting their own cause. The majority of U.S. believes in the "AWB", it's around 56% or so. As for universal background checks, it's 97%. If NRA used logic instead of scare tactics, they would support background checks and support tightening regulations for semi-auto riflfes/high capacity clips/mags etc. Instead, they are taking a hardline stance of: no background checks, have any weapon you want. Majority of NRA members don't even support that mindset.. It's the talking heads of the NRA and the repub party which are going to cause them to lose this battle.

Conservatives dug their own grave this election because of one simple thing: immigration. Now they're looking at digging it even deeper because of guns. Their views on immigration, health care, and social issues aren't sensible, either are their gun views.

This gun debate shouldn't even be a conservative vs liberal debate. It was much more bipartisan 12 years ago. The one big difference is Obama.

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What the heck, this is crazy and shocking.

I read some of the text he wrote.

lol, he is going to do it rambo style, the cops are so scared that they shot some wrong people and they are on high alert
they must be really scared. hah
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I didn't know liberals were anti second amendment? When did this happen? Clue me in.

 You mean those guys going around saying "death to the second ammendment" arent liberal?   Thats like saying there are Republicans out there who arent "pro tanks for defending themselves against niggers and such".   No way.

dno what your sources are but, most democrats aren't "anti 2nd amendment". They don't want to ban ALL guns. It's absolutely impossible to ban ALL guns in this country. What is possible however, is to limit & regulate. Anti "assault weapon people" want a ban on mass killing machines. Sounds sensible to me. Sounds about as sensible as banning automatic weapons -> which most people agree with.

Assigning the "Death to second amendment label" to liberals because of a very small group of activists is similar to assigning "All christians are psychos" because of Westboro Baptist Church.

The vast majority of liberals want what they see as "sensible gun control", which is handguns for self defense, hunting rifles, etc.

The democratic party is as anti second amendment as Justice Scalia is. Our constitution and supreme court would never allow a full gun ban, that's just scare tactics thrown out there 24/7 by the gun lobby.

Scare tactics increase gun sales.




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I was under the impression that even conservative supreme court justices, such as Justice Scalia, believe that a ban on 'assault weapons' and 'high capacity mags/clips' is constitutional.

http://www.businessinsider.com/scalias-2008-second-amendment-opinion-2012-12

Maybe he's really a libtard. Perhaps he's one of Obama's secret operatives.

Possible.  Its also possible that he is exactly as he seems, and has nothing to do with a gun control advocate going on a shooting rampage  being fucking HILARIOUSLY ironic. Maybe I posted this in the wrong thread...

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I guess i'm just extremely curious: How exactly is an assault weapons ban anti 2nd amendment, but a ban on automatic weapons isn't? Or are you of the mindset that there should be no limit to what type of weaponry a U.S. citizen can obtain?

I dont really think it is.  When I say libtards, Im referring to those who want to  ban ALL weapons, and this push is happening.  Feinstein fits this description perfectly.

She does? How? Her AWB still allows 2,000+ weapons. I'm failing to draw a correlation between "ban all weapons" and a bill that allows 2,000+ different types of weapons to remain legal. Most people harp on a comment she made about "if i could remove all guns I would", which is actually something republicans and NRA members have also said, but it's usually followed by "but that's never going to happen" etc.

She hates guns, she witnessed two of her colleagues die right in front of her due to gun violence. Plus she's female. Obviously she's going to be more adversely effected. Regardless, her opinion doesn't overrule the constitution and the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment is still up to interpretation, it's not set in stone that u.s. citizens should be able to legally own weapon X & weapon Y. These interpretations evolve.

Again, many conservatives are now interpreting the 2nd amendment to mean "any weapon". Automatic, tank, rocket launcher, gatlin gun, etc.

That's not "sensible".



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The NRA doesn't even support universal background checks anymore. If repubtards get their way, 8 years from now we'll all be purchasing tanks to defend ourselves from ni99ers and such.

smh

 There had to  be a  background check system in place and one that is good at keeping firearms out of the wrong hands.  There is a HUGE difference in that and a registration plan that allows a weapons pick up shortly after.  Look at every single country that has instituted this, and what happened right after. 

We're not every other country though. Gun rights are in our constitution. Most countries don't have a constitutional decree like we do.

Regardless, it's still up to interpretation and evolution. When they wrote the 2nd amendment, times were much different. Weaponry was much different. The state vs federal government was much different.

A complete gun ban would be unconstitutional, no supreme court would ever pass it.

Why anyone would be against universal background checks is beyond me. The NRA's excuses don't make a shred of sense.



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edit: The NRA misquote makes plenty of sense..

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun"

NRA wants armed police / "volunteers" (LMAO) everywhere. Yet even the most highly trained (ignorant pigs) are shooting unarmed civilians because they are blood thirsty. So I guess I would disagree with the solution to America's violence problem as being: 'let's put more ignorant abusers of authority with weapons everywhere possible". Soccer mom's with AR15's is probably a bad idea as well.

The police who did this do not fit your description of the NRAs "wants".  They have nothing to do with the NRAs suggestions, and will  be there whether the nra gets its way or not.    The NRA goes overboard sometimes,  they also have nothing to do with a gun control advocate nutcase going on a shooting rampage.

They don't? The law officers who shot those ladies could easily be the ones given school protection duty.

I find it hilarious that the NRA / gun lobby is "AFRAID" of a tyrannical government/police state, yet, they want more police/law enforcement officers, armed, everywhere.

The NRA may have had something to do with this nutcase actually. The gun lobby is partly responsible for this beyond fucked gun culture & weak background check/loopholes that make it too easy for idiots to obtain weapons.


lmao.  Feinstein has a CONCEAL CARRY PERMIT IN CALIFORNIA......

She needs one... and she's not trying to ban all guns, so i don't see the hypocrisy?



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Do you know how hard it is to even own a gun in California?  ask Kingfish.  This type of hypocrisy is fucking insane and excusing it for whatever reason so you can stay with a "party" is nuts. 

I still fail to see the hypocrisy. People own guns in Cali, it's just alot harder. People also have CWL's, it's just harder. She's not the only person with a CWL + handgun in Cali. Also, she's a senator who is anti gun lobby. She definitely needs a hand gun for extra protection, which doesn't make her a hypocrite because she's not trying to ban hand guns.

I love Calorifornia's 10 day waiting period & manadatory purchase through licensed dealers.

Also I hear they go around trying to confiscate guns from felons. People who have guns registered before committing felonies, commit felonies, then they send out these squads to confiscate their guns.

Sounds great to me.



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you have no idea what is going to happen, and neither do I.  Making a "never" statement is silly at this point, so much shit is changing.

I'll give you that one. Ok i'll change my 'never' to 'not in our lifetimes'.




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Idiots, like THIS GUY, are GOING to get weapons, thats the great irony here.  He was a COP.  A complete and fucking total gun  ban would have done absolutely NOTHING here, except make him even more dangerous.   

Right, but I don't really know anyone who is complete gun ban other than LBSS & Raptor. I don't know anyone IRL who is complete gun ban. The vast majority of democrats/liberals aren't promoting a complete gun ban.

The issue seems to be specific to high capacity mags/clips & semi automatic rifles. Either complete ban and/or much tougher regulations/licensing to own those weapons.

The NRA is hurting their own cause. The majority of U.S. believes in the "AWB", it's around 56% or so. As for universal background checks, it's 97%. If NRA used logic instead of scare tactics, they would support background checks and support tightening regulations for semi-auto riflfes/high capacity clips/mags etc. Instead, they are taking a hardline stance of: no background checks, have any weapon you want. Majority of NRA members don't even support that mindset.. It's the talking heads of the NRA and the repub party which are going to cause them to lose this battle.

Conservatives dug their own grave this election because of one simple thing: immigration. Now they're looking at digging it even deeper because of guns. Their views on immigration, health care, and social issues aren't sensible, either are their gun views.

This gun debate shouldn't even be a conservative vs liberal debate. It was much more bipartisan 12 years ago. The one big difference is Obama.


 She WANTS to ban everything, she knows thats not realistic, YET.  For her to personally carry a concealed weapon, yet want to take away the right of women who have been raped, families in awful areas, etc. to do the same is HYPOCRITICAL no matter how you spin it. 

 I dont believe the same things as you, I think worse things are coming and this agenda is only the start of it.  Time will tell though and we can look right here at this thread in a year and see.  I hope Im wrong.

Relax.

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Re: Christopher Dorner manhunt - happening now
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2013, 11:58:20 pm »
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^^ Lance: you really think such massive changes will happen as soon as 1 year from now? Do you have any predicted "changes" you are comfortable sharing?

I personally don't see anything happening.. The only major issues I foresee are foreign policy related: North Korea, Syria, and Iran.


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