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Re: despair
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2016, 07:23:55 am »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqceHviNBC4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqceHviNBC4</a>

The tragedy will be when Trump fails to create enough jobs especially in the rust belt states. Trump wants to spend huge amounts of money building infrastructure, but he also wants to bring in tax cuts. As for the free trade agreements I can see him saying he can't change them and scapegoating past administrations. Yet deep down Republicans don't like creating budget deficits so the way they will save money is buy cutting Government services and also trying to reduce health and welfare expenses. I hope I'm wrong, but this is the path I see Trump taking for the next 4 years.
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Re: despair
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2016, 11:16:10 am »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqceHviNBC4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqceHviNBC4</a>

The tragedy will be when Trump fails to create enough jobs especially in the rust belt states. Trump wants to spend huge amounts of money building infrastructure, but he also wants to bring in tax cuts. As for the free trade agreements I can see him saying he can't change them and scapegoating past administrations. Yet deep down Republicans don't like creating budget deficits so the way they will save money is buy cutting Government services and also trying to reduce health and welfare expenses. I hope I'm wrong, but this is the path I see Trump taking for the next 4 years.

nice little video.

Trump has the "will of the people" (from the GOP) on his side.. so, i'd like to see him at least defy the GOP establishment. That could be fun to watch.

Trump's cabinet position "predictions" already say alot about where he's leaning though.. who knows, maybe the media is getting it all wrong again :D

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Re: despair
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2016, 09:41:22 pm »
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if any of y'all (non-americans included) want to do something to counteract the tidal wave of awful shit that is coming our way, but you're not quite sure what to do, giving money to organizations that are fighting misogyny and white supremacy is a place to start. here's a list of groups worthy of support: http://jezebel.com/a-list-of-pro-women-pro-immigrant-pro-earth-anti-big-1788752078.

What about the awful shit your party is already doing?  Assaulting, asking for the death of whites, calling for Melanias rape, rioting etc.  Trump hasn't done anything yet and everyone is already freaking the fuck out.  Grow up, the world isn't going to end, if you want to keep spouting racial bullshit then ask yourself why she lost the election?  From my account a 69 year old white criminal couldn't pull in Obamas black voters.  Maybe it's because she called them super predators, shunned Bill's potential black love child, CP time..oh yeah also the Democrats don't do shit for blacks.  Also, the gay community that people keep mentioning,  hillary doesn't support gays and never has.  She claims she does but we learned from the emails that's false.  Trump has been a supporter of the guy community.  The triggered kids and Soros paid rioters need a fucking reality check.  FFS these people seriously need play doh, dogs, coloring books and stuffed animals for this?  Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.
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Re: despair
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2016, 01:16:14 am »
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if any of y'all (non-americans included) want to do something to counteract the tidal wave of awful shit that is coming our way, but you're not quite sure what to do, giving money to organizations that are fighting misogyny and white supremacy is a place to start. here's a list of groups worthy of support: http://jezebel.com/a-list-of-pro-women-pro-immigrant-pro-earth-anti-big-1788752078.

What about the awful shit your party is already doing?  Assaulting, asking for the death of whites, calling for Melanias rape, rioting etc.  Trump hasn't done anything yet and everyone is already freaking the fuck out.  Grow up, the world isn't going to end, if you want to keep spouting racial bullshit then ask yourself why she lost the election?  From my account a 69 year old white criminal couldn't pull in Obamas black voters.  Maybe it's because she called them super predators, shunned Bill's potential black love child, CP time..oh yeah also the Democrats don't do shit for blacks.  Also, the gay community that people keep mentioning,  hillary doesn't support gays and never has.  She claims she does but we learned from the emails that's false.  Trump has been a supporter of the guy community.  The triggered kids and Soros paid rioters need a fucking reality check.  FFS these people seriously need play doh, dogs, coloring books and stuffed animals for this?  Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

i won't argue with you because your reaction is just as emotional as mine. all i will do is try to offer an alternative story, in hopes that you will begin to see why people like me are so angry and afraid.

here goes: trump rose to power by inflaming racial fear and hatred. now he has appointed steve bannon as his chief policy adviser. steve bannon is a proudly vicious racist and misogynist, so i hope you can understand why someone would take that as a sign that trump intends to follow up on all of the hateful garbage he spewed during the campaign -- mexican immigrants are rapists, we shouldn't allow any muslims into the country, and so on. hate crimes and harassment of minorities and women have risen. you get your news from different sources than i do, so it's possible you're not aware of that, but it isn't an abstraction for me: i have nonwhite and women friends who have been harassed since the election in ways they never were before. friends who are teachers in schools where white kids have sung racist songs on the school bus in the presence of black and latino classmates. the hatred and racism and sexism of trump's rhetoric has a real effect on people's lives, if you will listen to them. i was hanging out yesterday with a muslim friend whose parents live in dallas. she is legitimately worried for their safety. people of color, who already had more cause to be afraid in the US than white people, are tenser than ever today.

hillary used racist language and supported racist policies in the past but she made an actual effort during this election to reach out to the black lives matter movement. she was antigay, and might still be, but she supported the democratic party's platform to ensure marriage equality. trump himself may be fine with gay people but his vice president has advocated for conversion therapy. hillary's and the democrats' campaign sucked, i won't deny that they failed to offer a vision as powerful as trump's or to acknowledge the real pain that much of white america has suffered. and you're right: the democrats have not delivered as well as they could for minorities or poor people. but her language during the campaign was inclusive and free from hate. and the democrats' platform has a lot more to offer to the poor and middle class white people who came out for trump than the GOP's platform does, whether they know it or not. don't forget that a lot of what obama tried to do in office was blocked, constantly, by the republican majorities in the house and senate. that was a deliberate strategy to delegitimize his president and the effectiveness of government in general, as mitch mcconnell himself said, and it worked.

the GOP's policies will fail to deliver prosperity or even relief for the people who delivered them to power and all i can hope is that some of those people, perhaps including you, will see who is responsible for that failure.

no idea what a trigger kid is, george soros isn't paying anyone to riot (conspiracy theories don't have to make sense but this one is particularly confusing to me), and you lost me with the play doh and coloring books. the anger that you've seen reported on whatever news outlets you use is real anger from real people, people like you who worry about their job security and whether their kids are getting a good enough education and gossip and care about their families and fantasize about having sex with that hot person at the gym and like cheeseburgers, who are hurt and confused and afraid for themselves and their loved ones and for all of the people who are oppressed and whose oppression has already gotten a lot louder and a lot more acute.

muslims and latinos and black people are every bit as american as white people from the country and, more to the point, they're every bit as much human beings as white people from the country.  try to think, for a minute, what it must feel like to be a muslim american right now, with a president-elect who has called for a complete ban on your coreligionists from entering this country. what it must feel like to be a woman who has been sexually assaulted, with a president-elect who bragged about his own sexual assaults. a mexican-american, with a president-elect who's named the architect of the most racist law in modern american history to his transition team.

that trump and his supporters have cast those people's humanity aside is enraging and deeply sad. and it doesn't matter whether you personally are actively racist or sexist. supporting him means implicitly supporting the themes of his campaign and of his transition to office.

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by the way, anyone who called for melania's rape can fuck off and die. that is misogynistic and hateful. but i suspect the number of people who are angry about trump's victory AND called for melania to be raped is vanishingly small. no one i know would say that even as a joke.
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Re: despair
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2016, 01:32:33 am »
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or, to put it more succinctly:



and here's another alternative story for you: https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/posts/1194834100555506
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Re: despair
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2016, 02:45:03 am »
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https://medium.com/@jessicashortall/voted-for-trump-i-have-only-one-plea-7d5994c7a3d1#.nok0dyox0

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To my friends (yes, friends) who voted for Trump: You say you voted for Trump for reasons entirely absent from hatred, racism, and misogyny. You are sick of being called a racist, a misanthrope, a sexist, a xenophobe.

So let’s start with this premise: I believe you when you say you don’t hold any of these things in your heart. I believe you when you say that these things are not why you voted for him. I BELIEVE YOU.

But/and: he and his surrogates do say hateful things, and use coded language like “certain groups” and “certain neighborhoods.” Some people are hearing those things and are now feeling emboldened to do and say truly hateful, un-American things to minority groups. The stories are pouring in: echoes of Brexit as American women have their hijabs ripped from their heads, as women are grabbed and men laugh and say “we can grab you by the pussy now,” as brown schoolchildren come home in tears because some of their white classmates have told them they’ll have to leave the country, as Black people are called n*** in the street by white people who say, “God, it feels so good to say that in public again.”

I know that that is not YOU. Hear me say it. Stop thinking I am saying this at you, when I am just saying it to you. I believe you, so please believe me.

Your knee-jerk reaction is going to be to shout, “Those bad apples don’t represent me, so don’t lay their horrible behavior at my feet!” How many ways can I say this? I believe you. But/and this is still a real phenomenon. You and those apples supported, and support, the same man, even if for vastly different reasons. And those bad apples feel really, really good right now. The KKK is holding a celebratory parade. A PARADE. Those awful people — who I rush to say, again and again, are not you — feel vindicated and empowered by this election result.

So here’s where I stand: You voted for him, so I believe you have a responsibility to hold him to a truly American standard.
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Re: despair
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2016, 04:39:21 am »
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http://jezebel.com/student-tells-muslim-schoolteacher-to-hang-herself-with-1788906340

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“Quit overreacting, it’s just politics,” crow the Trump sympathizers (because truly, anyone who says that, even if they didn’t vote for him, is a Trump sympathizer). Tell that to the Muslim high school teacher who received a note from a student suggesting she hang herself with her headscarf.

“Your headscarf isn’t allowed anymore,” read a flag-adorned note addressed to Mairah Teli, a 24-year-old language arts teacher in Georgia. “Why don’t you tie it around your neck and hang yourself with it off of your neck instead of your head.” It was signed “America!”

bold part sound familiar?
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Re: despair
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2016, 06:09:51 am »
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if any of y'all (non-americans included) want to do something to counteract the tidal wave of awful shit that is coming our way, but you're not quite sure what to do, giving money to organizations that are fighting misogyny and white supremacy is a place to start. here's a list of groups worthy of support: http://jezebel.com/a-list-of-pro-women-pro-immigrant-pro-earth-anti-big-1788752078.

What about the awful shit your party is already doing?  Assaulting, asking for the death of whites, calling for Melanias rape, rioting etc.  Trump hasn't done anything yet and everyone is already freaking the fuck out.  Grow up, the world isn't going to end, if you want to keep spouting racial bullshit then ask yourself why she lost the election?  From my account a 69 year old white criminal couldn't pull in Obamas black voters.  Maybe it's because she called them super predators, shunned Bill's potential black love child, CP time..oh yeah also the Democrats don't do shit for blacks.  Also, the gay community that people keep mentioning,  hillary doesn't support gays and never has.  She claims she does but we learned from the emails that's false.  Trump has been a supporter of the guy community.  The triggered kids and Soros paid rioters need a fucking reality check.  FFS these people seriously need play doh, dogs, coloring books and stuffed animals for this?  Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

Hit the nail on the head. Hillary failed to win the black vote. Trump didn't get their vote either they just decided not to participate because most people in the inner cities are disillusioned with politics and as far as they are concerned all politicians are as bad as each other. LBSS is correct though- Hillary was the lesser of two evils when it comes to policies that will help empower minorities and the poor/working class. Trump just ran a better campaign despite all the sexist/racist/politically incorrect jargon that he spewed out.
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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2016, 06:30:08 am »
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hillary won black people by 80 points, something like 88-8. what the fuck are you all talking about. turnout was lower for all demographics. perhaps down slightly more for black people than for people overall, but the narrative that she didn't have black support is spurious.
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Re: despair
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2016, 06:43:57 am »
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hillary won black people by 80 points, something like 88-8. what the fuck are you all talking about. turnout was lower for all demographics. perhaps down slightly more for black people than for people overall, but the narrative that she didn't have black support is spurious.

She obviously didn't get the turn out otherwise she would have won the election!!!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYLYgmPKJbM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYLYgmPKJbM</a>
Watch 4:30 to 5:05 and that sums up public opinion amongst a lot of blacks. They don't like Trump but they don't endorse Hillary either and that showed on the day.

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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2016, 07:57:43 am »
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nope, wrong.
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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2016, 09:06:08 am »
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if any of y'all (non-americans included) want to do something to counteract the tidal wave of awful shit that is coming our way, but you're not quite sure what to do, giving money to organizations that are fighting misogyny and white supremacy is a place to start. here's a list of groups worthy of support: http://jezebel.com/a-list-of-pro-women-pro-immigrant-pro-earth-anti-big-1788752078.

What about the awful shit your party is already doing?  Assaulting, asking for the death of whites, calling for Melanias rape, rioting etc.  Trump hasn't done anything yet and everyone is already freaking the fuck out.  Grow up, the world isn't going to end, if you want to keep spouting racial bullshit then ask yourself why she lost the election?  From my account a 69 year old white criminal couldn't pull in Obamas black voters.  Maybe it's because she called them super predators, shunned Bill's potential black love child, CP time..oh yeah also the Democrats don't do shit for blacks.  Also, the gay community that people keep mentioning,  hillary doesn't support gays and never has.  She claims she does but we learned from the emails that's false.  Trump has been a supporter of the guy community.  The triggered kids and Soros paid rioters need a fucking reality check.  FFS these people seriously need play doh, dogs, coloring books and stuffed animals for this?  Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

Hit the nail on the head. Hillary failed to win the black vote. Trump didn't get their vote either they just decided not to participate because most people in the inner cities are disillusioned with politics and as far as they are concerned all politicians are as bad as each other. LBSS is correct though- Hillary was the lesser of two evils when it comes to policies that will help empower minorities and the poor/working class. Trump just ran a better campaign despite all the sexist/racist/politically incorrect jargon that he spewed out.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

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Among whites, Trump won an overwhelming share of those without a college degree; and among white college graduates – a group that many identified as key for a potential Clinton victory – Trump outperformed Clinton by a narrow 4-point margin.

Trump’s margin among whites without a college degree is the largest among any candidate in exit polls since 1980. Two-thirds (67%) of non-college whites backed Trump, compared with just 28% who supported Clinton, resulting in a 39-point advantage for Trump among this group. In 2012 and 2008, non-college whites also preferred the Republican over the Democratic candidate but by less one-sided margins (61%-36% and 58%-40%, respectively).

Correction: Hillary failed to win the white vote.

Hillary winning the black vote cannot really be questioned.. She was apparently ~7% down among black voters compared to Obama in 2012 (80 vs 87). The real story is the white vote.. There were lots of significant shifts between white men, white women, and young vs old voters that resulted in Trump winning the electoral college.

As for people staying home, it was more significant for democrats overall compared to republicans, can't pin it all on black voters:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/09/hillary-clintons-campaign-was-crippled-by-voters-who-stayed-home/

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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2016, 09:19:22 am »
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People are being awfully selective about analysing the results to fit their chosen narrative. You can't look at vote tallies out of context and say HRC lost b/c dems didn't turn up to vote (8-9mil of them). Or b/c whites whitelashed for Trump. Or non-whites didn't support HRC as expected. Yeah you can say that and it's factually true but that's bad analysis cos you're not looking at the votes of the swing states in particular. To illustrate the folly of this gambit - according to the popular vote HRC actually won. How does that help you? Same thing you're doing when you say dems didn't turnupforwhat. So please try to be more careful when you make these arguments. A better analysis would look at the rust belt and evaluate votes and turnouts there.
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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2016, 09:35:20 am »
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if any of y'all (non-americans included) want to do something to counteract the tidal wave of awful shit that is coming our way, but you're not quite sure what to do, giving money to organizations that are fighting misogyny and white supremacy is a place to start. here's a list of groups worthy of support: http://jezebel.com/a-list-of-pro-women-pro-immigrant-pro-earth-anti-big-1788752078.

What about the awful shit your party is already doing?  Assaulting, asking for the death of whites, calling for Melanias rape, rioting etc.  Trump hasn't done anything yet and everyone is already freaking the fuck out.  Grow up, the world isn't going to end, if you want to keep spouting racial bullshit then ask yourself why she lost the election?  From my account a 69 year old white criminal couldn't pull in Obamas black voters.  Maybe it's because she called them super predators, shunned Bill's potential black love child, CP time..oh yeah also the Democrats don't do shit for blacks.  Also, the gay community that people keep mentioning,  hillary doesn't support gays and never has.  She claims she does but we learned from the emails that's false.  Trump has been a supporter of the guy community.  The triggered kids and Soros paid rioters need a fucking reality check.  FFS these people seriously need play doh, dogs, coloring books and stuffed animals for this?  Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

i won't argue with you because your reaction is just as emotional as mine. all i will do is try to offer an alternative story, in hopes that you will begin to see why people like me are so angry and afraid.

here goes: trump rose to power by inflaming racial fear and hatred. now he has appointed steve bannon as his chief policy adviser. steve bannon is a proudly vicious racist and misogynist, so i hope you can understand why someone would take that as a sign that trump intends to follow up on all of the hateful garbage he spewed during the campaign -- mexican immigrants are rapists, we shouldn't allow any muslims into the country, and so on. hate crimes and harassment of minorities and women have risen. you get your news from different sources than i do, so it's possible you're not aware of that, but it isn't an abstraction for me: i have nonwhite and women friends who have been harassed since the election in ways they never were before. friends who are teachers in schools where white kids have sung racist songs on the school bus in the presence of black and latino classmates. the hatred and racism and sexism of trump's rhetoric has a real effect on people's lives, if you will listen to them. i was hanging out yesterday with a muslim friend whose parents live in dallas. she is legitimately worried for their safety. people of color, who already had more cause to be afraid in the US than white people, are tenser than ever today.

hillary used racist language and supported racist policies in the past but she made an actual effort during this election to reach out to the black lives matter movement. she was antigay, and might still be, but she supported the democratic party's platform to ensure marriage equality. trump himself may be fine with gay people but his vice president has advocated for conversion therapy. hillary's and the democrats' campaign sucked, i won't deny that they failed to offer a vision as powerful as trump's or to acknowledge the real pain that much of white america has suffered. and you're right: the democrats have not delivered as well as they could for minorities or poor people. but her language during the campaign was inclusive and free from hate. and the democrats' platform has a lot more to offer to the poor and middle class white people who came out for trump than the GOP's platform does, whether they know it or not. don't forget that a lot of what obama tried to do in office was blocked, constantly, by the republican majorities in the house and senate. that was a deliberate strategy to delegitimize his president and the effectiveness of government in general, as mitch mcconnell himself said, and it worked.

the GOP's policies will fail to deliver prosperity or even relief for the people who delivered them to power and all i can hope is that some of those people, perhaps including you, will see who is responsible for that failure.

no idea what a trigger kid is, george soros isn't paying anyone to riot (conspiracy theories don't have to make sense but this one is particularly confusing to me), and you lost me with the play doh and coloring books. the anger that you've seen reported on whatever news outlets you use is real anger from real people, people like you who worry about their job security and whether their kids are getting a good enough education and gossip and care about their families and fantasize about having sex with that hot person at the gym and like cheeseburgers, who are hurt and confused and afraid for themselves and their loved ones and for all of the people who are oppressed and whose oppression has already gotten a lot louder and a lot more acute.

muslims and latinos and black people are every bit as american as white people from the country and, more to the point, they're every bit as much human beings as white people from the country.  try to think, for a minute, what it must feel like to be a muslim american right now, with a president-elect who has called for a complete ban on your coreligionists from entering this country. what it must feel like to be a woman who has been sexually assaulted, with a president-elect who bragged about his own sexual assaults. a mexican-american, with a president-elect who's named the architect of the most racist law in modern american history to his transition team.

that trump and his supporters have cast those people's humanity aside is enraging and deeply sad. and it doesn't matter whether you personally are actively racist or sexist. supporting him means implicitly supporting the themes of his campaign and of his transition to office.

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Well said.

The "grow up the world isn't going to end" stuff is annoying. We've never seen a president like this in the history of our country. The fact that Trump ran such an unnecessarily divisive campaign is what has always scared me. Had he been a uniter, showed class & restraint, not stoked racism/misogyny/bigotry, & continued his anti-establishment/populist message, he would have absolutely destroyed Hillary Clinton AND he wouldn't have created such a divided country at the onset of his presidency. Obviously these divisions already existed, but not to the extent that people would be protesting in the streets every single day/night leading up to and perhaps after, his inauguration; and the exact same response had he lost - though, many of his supporters were spouting a bloody revolution.

So to tell people to relax.. is just beyond annoying. Non-white people, pro-women's-rights people, non-straight people, immigrants, people who worry about climate change, the rest of the world, are now living with a brand new fear. And that fear has just been amplified 10-fold due to the fact that Bannon has been named his Chief Strategist.

As for the anti-Trump people, what I do disagree with is the whole "#NotMyPresident" garbage. He's going to be our president.. Actively campaigning the electors of the EC to vote Hillary (that's actually revolution-worthy IMHO) & saying he's not our president is very dangerous. The anti-Trump crowd & Democrats need to figure out very quickly how to "play politics"; how to get people to vote 2 years from now in the mid-term election & then 4 years from now in the general. Their failure is now everyone's problem.



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by the way, anyone who called for melania's rape can fuck off and die. that is misogynistic and hateful. but i suspect the number of people who are angry about trump's victory AND called for melania to be raped is vanishingly small. no one i know would say that even as a joke.

^^ this, every single word of it.

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Re: despair
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2016, 10:36:41 am »
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enjoyed this one (mirror)
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