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suicide numbers on the rise?
« on: May 03, 2012, 06:59:03 am »
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28 u.s. soldiers committed suicide in april, more than were killed in combat for the month. seems like every day i hear about someone committing suicide now.

anyone know the numbers? seems like suicide rates among vets/military, in usa, are skyhigh.

r.i.p

oh i have a good idea, let's give pakistan a few billion in 'aid' while our vets/citizens struggle with all of these various issues.. great idea.

smh.

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Re: suicide numbers on the rise?
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2012, 09:22:21 am »
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28 u.s. soldiers committed suicide in april, more than were killed in combat for the month. seems like every day i hear about someone committing suicide now.

anyone know the numbers? seems like suicide rates among vets/military, in usa, are skyhigh.

r.i.p

oh i have a good idea, let's give pakistan a few billion in 'aid' while our vets/citizens struggle with all of these various issues.. great idea.

smh.

this is a false dichotomy. we can give pakistan a few billion in aid AND help people struggle with depression.

total 2013 budget request for the state department and USAID (including all operations, not just foreign aid): $51.6 billion

total 2013 budget request for the veterans' administration ALONE: $140.3 billion

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Re: suicide numbers on the rise?
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2012, 11:25:33 am »
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it must be the post traumatic stress syndrome. A lot of veterans who have come off duty, they started having post traumatic stress. Dreams, hallucinations. its really terrible thing, they can do something they never imagined of doing, hallucinate as if they are in a war scene and kill people they love. Seen their friends die because they were helpless in saving them. It can break down a man mentally.

One U.S. veteran attempts suicide every 80 minutes: Hidden tragedy of Afghanistan and Iraq wars

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2057061/One-U-S-veteran-attempts-suicide-80-minutes-Hidden-tragedy-Afghanistan-Iraq-wars.html#ixzz1tou56f2S

There's this excellent quote from the movie "The last Samurai".

Algren: What else has she told you?
Katsumoto: That you have nightmares.
Algren: Every soldier has nightmares.
Katsumoto: Only one who is ashamed of what he has done.
Algren: You have no idea what I have done.
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Re: suicide numbers on the rise?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2012, 03:27:14 pm »
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28 u.s. soldiers committed suicide in april, more than were killed in combat for the month. seems like every day i hear about someone committing suicide now.

anyone know the numbers? seems like suicide rates among vets/military, in usa, are skyhigh.

r.i.p

oh i have a good idea, let's give pakistan a few billion in 'aid' while our vets/citizens struggle with all of these various issues.. great idea.

smh.

this is a false dichotomy. we can give pakistan a few billion in aid AND help people struggle with depression.

total 2013 budget request for the state department and USAID (including all operations, not just foreign aid): $51.6 billion

total 2013 budget request for the veterans' administration ALONE: $140.3 billion



well maybe they need the extra few billions because the vets i talk to absolutely hate the V.A., taking months for psyche appointments, refusing to replace broken equipment such as wheelchairs, and lets not fail to mention the basically ~20% unemployment rate among vets.

you can justify foreign aid when our soldiers aren't adequately receiving the proper care at home? forcing them into two pointless wars, yet not caring for them properly when they return home, or even while they are at war, yet giving billions in "aid" to other countries for political reasons.. sounds pretty wrecked to me.

doesn't seem like a false dichotomoy to me.

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Re: suicide numbers on the rise?
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2012, 04:32:20 pm »
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that is not how budgeting works. your dichotomy was:

A) spend $800 million on aid to pakistan, which is what the appropriation was last year, roughly speaking, and which has steadily decreased over the past few years

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B) adequately fund the VA, which has a budget of more than $140 billion, and which has steadily increased over the past few years.

that's so wrong and off-base i almost passed out just now.
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Re: suicide numbers on the rise?
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2012, 04:48:44 pm »
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that is not how budgeting works. your dichotomy was:

A) spend $800 million on aid to pakistan, which is what the appropriation was last year, roughly speaking, and which has steadily decreased over the past few years

OR

B) adequately fund the VA, which has a budget of more than $140 billion, and which has steadily increased over the past few years.

that's so wrong and off-base i almost passed out just now.

aid to pakistan = 20-27 (i cant find the exact number) billion over the last 10 years

that's 20-27 billion more that could have been spent on veterans.

am i missing something here?

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Re: suicide numbers on the rise?
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2012, 05:43:29 pm »
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that is not how budgeting works. your dichotomy was:

A) spend $800 million on aid to pakistan, which is what the appropriation was last year, roughly speaking, and which has steadily decreased over the past few years

OR

B) adequately fund the VA, which has a budget of more than $140 billion, and which has steadily increased over the past few years.

that's so wrong and off-base i almost passed out just now.

aid to pakistan = 20-27 (i cant find the exact number) billion over the last 10 years

that's 20-27 billion more that could have been spent on veterans.

am i missing something here?

first of all, aid to pakistan is not that high, or even close to that high. $2-2.5B a year for ten years? no.

second of all, what you're missing is any understanding of how congress appropriates funding. money spent on pakistan and money spent on the VA are not really at odds with each other.

what you're suggesting would be like an athlete, just after tearing his acl, saying, "either i can buy a box of cookies, or i can go to physical therapy."
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: suicide numbers on the rise?
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2012, 06:45:31 pm »
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Re: suicide numbers on the rise?
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2012, 11:38:13 pm »
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that is not how budgeting works. your dichotomy was:

A) spend $800 million on aid to pakistan, which is what the appropriation was last year, roughly speaking, and which has steadily decreased over the past few years

OR

B) adequately fund the VA, which has a budget of more than $140 billion, and which has steadily increased over the past few years.

that's so wrong and off-base i almost passed out just now.

aid to pakistan = 20-27 (i cant find the exact number) billion over the last 10 years

that's 20-27 billion more that could have been spent on veterans.

am i missing something here?

first of all, aid to pakistan is not that high, or even close to that high. $2-2.5B a year for ten years? no.

second of all, what you're missing is any understanding of how congress appropriates funding. money spent on pakistan and money spent on the VA are not really at odds with each other.

what you're suggesting would be like an athlete, just after tearing his acl, saying, "either i can buy a box of cookies, or i can go to physical therapy."

  [edit] U.S. Financial aid to Pakistan since 9/11

   Between 2002-2010, Pakistan received approximately 18 billion[7] in military and economic aid from the United States. In
   February 2010, the Obama administration requested an additional 3 billion in aid, for a total of 20.7 billion.[8]

various sources, including cnn/fox/etc, reporting 20-27 over the last 10 years. you would be able to find it better, browing the inet without a gui is rough.

anyway..

as for your last comment, actually i'm not saying that at all.. an analogy would be me saying, 'after a vet returns home with injuries/issues, they would receive better treatment had foreign aid money to pakistan gone to the V.A. or other internal projects.'

getting that 1.5 tril back would be a nice help too.