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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: August 16, 2016, 02:41:16 pm »Is self lobbing for a sl jump just as easy for you?
i think so. tbh it might be a little easier because of the horizontal distance I get with single leg jumping. When starting to train SLRVJ in late 2011/2012, even in my first few sessions I literally caught some lobs around the outside of the paint. That is very difficult for me to do with DLRVJ because I just don't have that kind of horizontal distance with double leg jumping.
so ya, just as easy or slightly easier.
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Wow. Ok in reading this and your post to scooby I realized one reason the self lob is so important...
It's for training. My most impressive dunks are done off one or two steps. And it's because my one or two step vertical with ball and without ball is probably about 41/38 on my best day... I can get great dunk practice and jump work in at the same time...
But as Raptor pointed out I jump much lower with ball than without ball... At a full run up my vertical with and without ball has peaked out at about 45/39 and this 6 inch difference is pretty appalling.... That's why for me to get ME jump training and dunk practice I have to get in a bunch of head to rim jump attempts after my dunks... With the self lob you can do a dunk session and get practice at dunks and ME jumping all at the same time... Really seems like a big advantage to decrease volume and still get training...
nice! it's interesting how framing it as a "training tool" might help to get people to utilize it more.
I mean if we took scooby, cloned him, and had 1 year of lobs vs dribble ups, i'd expect we would see some significant differences. Most likely, lob sessions would have him jumping higher on average & increase his odds of landing a hard dunk. Lobbing might be a bit brutal early on, but if in this hypothetical scenario, he would surely improve & get more comfortable with lobbing. The same goes for anyone on here who mostly does dribble ups (which is alot of people).
For example, LBSS should buy one of those under armour balls I just got, pump it up to the max, and leave it in his car the entire day prior to attempting lob dunks.. If that ball doesn't launch off the ground, i'd be shocked. The thing with LBSS though, in terms of quality jump sessions, is he does have alot of them. He knows when to perform ME jumps and when to backoff dunk attempts and go back to ME jumps etc. So he gets in alot of good quality when he's not down-shifting due to some knee aches etc. I'd easily say LBSS understands his body & how it is effected by training, better than scoob. He also doesn't veer off into major tangents like scoob does, and this is mostly because of how the previous point. He's also been following some solid programming/advice for several months :F Scoob takes advice from all angles and blends alot of it together. The one thing i'm glad he is doing lately is getting back to squatting heavy.
Both have worked & still work hard as fuck.. but the one thing they both share is a "lack of self lobbing".
I wish I had FULL footage of me practicing lob dunks when I couldn't dunk.. I don't because, I basically missed everything. If I put up a video, it was only a few GOOD misses and potentially a make. So I don't have videos like scoob does, where it's just "every attempt". Except in a few cases, like the one below.. but this is after I became extremely proficient with lobbing:
That title says "nearly every attempt" .. That session was so good that I uploaded all of it, as basically a reminder to myself, of how good it was... Most sessions were way different; tons of misses.
So picture me, scoob style, missing tons of lobs... then picture me doing tons of dribble up dunks...
Those clips would be much less exciting.. lobs introduce some major variability - where we catch it, how high we catch it, if we can pull off a max effort jump in the process, etc.. So really, lobbing is so important.Also, for reference.. the absolute perfect dunk lob can be seen at 7:53:
So, if someone who is uncomfortable with lobs, works on them and improves.. The chances of them catching a PERFECT lob like that, it's 100%.. it'll happen. Also that video is basically a clinic on how to throw lobs for a simple power dunk.. hah.
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Of course for me lob practice right now involves mostly not even jumping but when I return to dunking I promise an earnest attempt at learning to lob...
sick!!!!
can't wait tbh.. I think it'll be a great demonstration for those who are also uncomfortable with lobs, which seems like most people tbh...
I still remember the first time I ever saw someone self lobbing + dunking.. I was ~13-14 and it was these two ~5'8" black kids, brothers I think, at a street court.. So it's just something I saw one day and thought, man that makes sense. So like 15+ years later i'm landing lob dunks.. lmao.
Consider it a request. I don't remember you ever making a lob video like that, if not I apologize.
