Are you familiar with the spiral winding technique? Rotate your palms in all the way as your arm swings down and up on the way up. Not sure how much of a difference it makes. The arm swing is not max speed so I'm not sure how much difference anything really makes as far as the arms/shoulders themselves go, but getting more muscles involved in the unloading (traps, upper back) does seem to be beneficial. I'm pretty sure if you were to do hang or block cleans or snatches for a while you would notice a difference in your 2 hand jump
never tried spiraling
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Personally I've alway s felt that if a person is uncordinated enough to the point that their arm swing in the sprint or jumps has very obvious flaws then they probably have a ton of more important things to worry about too. Few things are as useless IMO as the coach wwho lines up group sof 12 year olds and has them sitting on their butts rapidly pumping their arms for sprint technical work.
i've actually done that with groups of kids except I never have them do it rapid, that's when the drill goes to complete crap... also it becomes sort of a punishment lmao
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ya that's what im doing bruhbruh :F
im going to hit him up again tomorrow & then link him my dunk mix june 3.. may dunk mix.
came home to drop off protein, too hot to leave in trunk but i finally took a redline.. holy shit that crap kicked in fast.. seems like it really is the real deal, sir lance knows whats up.
some math/physiology dudes at my gym are trying to figure this out as part of a larger project to help measure work done over the course of a workout. they're crosstarded, unfortunately, but otherwise they're both very smart so it should be kind of cool to see what they come up with.
nice!!
i imagine biodynamic people could come up with something nice.. i mean, im just thinking about the vectors/forces and it makes some sense that the timing of arm swing could help to maximize the force produced by the legs, if the armswing comes a little earlier in the plant.. if you look at that thread in pics & vids, the one raptor posted, sir isaac is a good example of what i'm talking about.. check that thread out, that's exactly the type of arm swing im talking about..
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bit of a useless post, this one, but anyway, interesting thread, wot wot, pip pip cheerio, my, what's that over there?!?!
It's NOT done all the time, and that is simply bullshit. Any athlete that has a legit TRAINED 36-38" SVJ started out with a 30-32+. Show us your data, and show us the video of the jump test method you use.
I'm gonna side with Mark on this for the most part for a couple simple reasons:
1. To jump 36" or higher one has to have the combination of a ton of strength and decent reactive ability( fluid in the movement),
to SVJ 36 you need decent reactive ability? nope.. some of the most horribly reactive individuals can SVJ into the 40's. it's an explosive strength dominated effort, not reactive.
Maybe that's true, but that would be very rare, you have to be a great athlete in order to jump 40" SVJ..
nope, look at kingfish, or other horribly reactive individuals such as many bodybuilders or olympic lifters who have decent SVJ's.
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many lifters have the strength to jump that high but don't have the reactive ability, on the other hand many athletes training for it just do not have the mindset to not give up as it will take a very long time to gain 8 or more inches on your SVJ.
nope.. if you can't jump 36+, then you don't have the strength for it.. let's not forget that a number such as "2.5xBW squat" means nothing unless time is taken into account.. so if you complete your 2.5xBW squat in 4 seconds, then you definitely don't have the strength to jump 36 etc.. so numbers become irrelevant if speed is not taken into account.
as for people who give up, we don't include them in the conversation, rippetoe might, i don't.
I can't jump 36"+, yet I definitely have the strength to do so, I mean I'd account that to never practicing the movement, but still it goes deeper than just having the strength for it. And of course it goes deeper than numbers, I've never been one for the numbers game, I'm more for strength..
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2. A 36" SVJ jump is a ridiculously high jump and for the most part it takes a naturally good athlete to get to that level. I am not saying that most athletes can't get there, but it will be a much tougher road. Off the top of my head I can count a handful of athletes on this site ( A site dedicated to increasing vert) that has that high of a SVJ or even has the strength cabability to jump that high. It is a very small amount of people.
well from what i remember steven-miller was never a good SVJ'r prior to training, he's gotten so much stronger it's insane, and now jups 35-36" SVJ.
you went from ~35" RVJ to ~45" RVJ..
how does "only a handful of people" give credit to your argument? if only one person can prove it is possible, then it is possible for all humans for the most part.. how hard the other humans are willing to work & how consistent they are becomes the key difference in whether or not someone will realize their true potential or just quit and have fun playing sports without focusing on performance improvement.
I never said it was impossible, I said for the most part this is true for the reasons I listed. It can happen, but it takes tons of work, and most athletes simply can't do it..
if someone can't do it that has no bearing on whether or not they are able to do so.. can't & able are very different.. someone may fail because they "can't" put forth the effort, but that has no bearing on the potential of the human organism.
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But besides that, Mark is pretty much ignorant and wants to remain that way, but that was one thing he said that I liked.
he has no knowledge of the advanced methods of SPP yet tells people 36+ is a limit for "average athletes", makes no sense.. how can you know what the limit is if you have never truly tested someone's limits? you can't test someone's limits through squatting & GOMAD, that's BEGINNER LEVEL shit.. and imo, gomad is detrimental unless you really need the mass for sport, such as football or sumo wrestling.
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Mark's ego has gotten a bit too big, and he should definitely not be given advice outside of his realm of knowledge which is beginner level shit, I'll still rep Starting Strength as the go to book for all beginner lifters, it is a great book to learn from.
sure, but when it comes to elite performance training, he is self admittedly clueless.. so he should refrain from opening his pie hole on these issues :F
ok i know we've talked about this before on here but definitely not using this example.. ok so im standing on a scale stiff legged, and im swinging my arms, swing down hard, weight goes up, swing up hard, weight goes down.. as to be expected of course.. the interesting thing is how far down i could get the scale to register with only modest armswing, standing normally at 153, got it down to 127 with just modest arm swing.
This is one reason I really love plate swings, seems to have alot of transfer to shoulder power specific to vert..
that's not the point of this post though.. i imagine the timing of armswing plays a huge roll in jump height, this might explain why I jumped my highest the other day on dunk attempt #82 than on any other dunk attempt.. when my shoulder power feels great, i jump better of course, but maybe not for the simple reason that i am producing more force through the hip/knee extensors by producing more force through shoulder flexion, but perhaps instead or in combination with the fact that my armswing may take place soon in my plant rather than later.
need some physics/biodynamics gurus to school us on how earlier/later onset of armswing could effect force production.
156lbs? Are you gonna just leave your weight alone, or are you going to drop to 145 like you said before? If you are still planning to hit 145, are you going to do it after you hit a specific strength number or something?
On another note, June 4 is almost here man.
dno, i'd need to do way more cardio.. which will be possible in june.. im going to take it easier in june, i basically dunked & squatted every single day in may, need a break... that would allow me to hit some relaxed long duration interval cardio in june and get my weight down quicker.
It's NOT done all the time, and that is simply bullshit. Any athlete that has a legit TRAINED 36-38" SVJ started out with a 30-32+. Show us your data, and show us the video of the jump test method you use.
My SVJ when I started all this business was 25". I have the video somewhere. On my best days now it's probably 29". I care much, much, much more about RVJ and I'm a lot closer to 36" RVJ (obviously), but if I had a 36" SVJ I could dunk a soccer ball from a standstill. That would be neat.
ya his same comment applies to RVJ also.. so for us obsessed RVJ'rs it makes no sense given some of our progress.
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edit: Assuming you're HB and Lance is Reverse Hypertrophy, Lance was on some straight TLDR shit in that thread.
let's just say you assumed wrong, as to who is RH.
It's NOT done all the time, and that is simply bullshit. Any athlete that has a legit TRAINED 36-38" SVJ started out with a 30-32+. Show us your data, and show us the video of the jump test method you use.
I'm gonna side with Mark on this for the most part for a couple simple reasons:
1. To jump 36" or higher one has to have the combination of a ton of strength and decent reactive ability( fluid in the movement),
to SVJ 36 you need decent reactive ability? nope.. some of the most horribly reactive individuals can SVJ into the 40's. it's an explosive strength dominated effort, not reactive.
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many lifters have the strength to jump that high but don't have the reactive ability, on the other hand many athletes training for it just do not have the mindset to not give up as it will take a very long time to gain 8 or more inches on your SVJ.
nope.. if you can't jump 36+, then you don't have the strength for it.. let's not forget that a number such as "2.5xBW squat" means nothing unless time is taken into account.. so if you complete your 2.5xBW squat in 4 seconds, then you definitely don't have the strength to jump 36 etc.. so numbers become irrelevant if speed is not taken into account.
as for people who give up, we don't include them in the conversation, rippetoe might, i don't.
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2. A 36" SVJ jump is a ridiculously high jump and for the most part it takes a naturally good athlete to get to that level. I am not saying that most athletes can't get there, but it will be a much tougher road. Off the top of my head I can count a handful of athletes on this site ( A site dedicated to increasing vert) that has that high of a SVJ or even has the strength cabability to jump that high. It is a very small amount of people.
well from what i remember steven-miller was never a good SVJ'r prior to training, he's gotten so much stronger it's insane, and now jups 35-36" SVJ.
you went from ~35" RVJ to ~45" RVJ..
how does "only a handful of people" give credit to your argument? if only one person can prove it is possible, then it is possible for all humans for the most part.. how hard the other humans are willing to work & how consistent they are becomes the key difference in whether or not someone will realize their true potential or just quit and have fun playing sports without focusing on performance improvement.
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But besides that, Mark is pretty much ignorant and wants to remain that way, but that was one thing he said that I liked.
he has no knowledge of the advanced methods of SPP yet tells people 36+ is a limit for "average athletes", makes no sense.. how can you know what the limit is if you have never truly tested someone's limits? you can't test someone's limits through squatting & GOMAD, that's BEGINNER LEVEL shit.. and imo, gomad is detrimental unless you really need the mass for sport, such as football or sumo wrestling.
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also it becomes sort of a punishment lmao
