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1981
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 20, 2016, 11:54:16 am »
RE hip extension on jumps -- I consciously tried to use my "hips" during a dunk tonight .. and ... i found myself reflexively doing an air Jordan ^TM thing in the air. Is this kinda what we're getting that? I know i dont do that "leg kick" thing others do on their jumps .. i know it's supposed to help you jump higher but ive never really done it except by accident once or twice .. (i have a vid of me from last year doing it unwittingly, i can upload to illustrate).  And i guess if i can do those on broad jumps i will go further? Interesting. Can't wait to try it out next time.

1982
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 20, 2016, 11:37:36 am »
Quote from: T0ddday on April 20, 2016, 11:27:10 am
Movement efficiency for the arms is def a thing.  But if your a basketball player it can be frustrating.  Look at Raptors comments in my journal and my jumps without the ball and with it.   Mastering arms is great but when you hold a basketball you might have to relearn to maximize a new non optimal arm swing...

In fact if you look at my journal that vertical was build by literally all bounding and sprinting a just a month or so of low volume infrequent vertical specific work (mostly cause my knees don't like vertical landings).  So the bounding is "base" but not as "base" as squats.  What I mean is bounding itself probably will add very little to your vert, but when you go back to training it you will quickly make gains.  And you will have immediate payoff for other sports movements especially w single leg bounding and skater style forward bounds. 

As far as your broad jumps.  From what I see its 100x better than the last one but still pretty bad as far as hip extension being absent.  Back is straight but no hip hyper extension whatsoever... But given that you went from a 2 out of 10 to a 7 in one week might not make sense to give you coaching yet... If you bound another meter farther next time I bet it will be because you have figured it out yourself.... Otherwise I'll give you some cues...

That gives me an idea. I cud use the medball and do like throws with one hand and stuff. But i'm really looking forward to finishing up with 2 leg bounds (==broad jumps?) and focusing on SL bounds. I dont wanna jump from one thing to another and be useless at everthing, want to master broad jumps first. Then i'll focus on SL. I think SL will do more for my basketball athleticism cause lets face it, someone as slow as me has to do everything SL since i'm already moving in slow motion and DL movements are just too slow at game speed. I'm a better at jumping of DL of course but most jumps on the court (all?) are done SL if i'm being honest with myself

1983
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 20, 2016, 11:28:19 am »
@adarqui

You know that might actually restore my faith in depth jumps as a staple exercise if i had a concrete measurable goal for it. I don't have a place to do jumps at a rim (unfortunately). However. maybe i cud take a milk crate or something to the courts and try that? It wouldn't be high but portable. Or i could try rig something up at home with string. That might be fun. Hmmm! :)

I'm kinda cooling on broad jumps and medball throws. I like doing broad jumps a lot, because it's something new but i want to know how i will improve from 8.5m to 10m and possibly 11m which is what i've been set as a decent goal and dream goal respectively I think they're a good way to test an athlete .. but do they improve one? Does anything? Is it just squats all the way down .. and i just need to man up and add some plates to my PR? I hate myself again x2. But seriously, how am i gonna add 1.5m to my broadjump .. is it just going to happen by practising? Or do i need to gain some strength / muscle mass and then it will happen? This is so confusing. I stopped using the 6kg ball today though, cant be bothered measuring out that far. The 10kg is nice and easier to measure and i can track and measure landings fine on my own without a training partner, mainly cause they fall within the same range as my broadjumps on the printed markers of the field..

Thanks it was a nice day! And i prefer doing track stuff at that time .. the grass isnt wet, like it was tongiht when i did the medball throws. damn near lost one overhead which sucked cause it was slippery af. Will make the change from here on, 1080p and in daylight for bounds/throws.


1984
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 20, 2016, 10:49:21 am »
Movement efficiency for hands/arms. Is this a thing? How to test it and/ build it? I need it there too, as I watch footage from shooting around tonight. I hate myself so much lol.

1985
Article & Video Discussion / Re: Spot reduction may actually be possible?
« on: April 20, 2016, 10:40:54 am »
Quote from: Raptor on April 20, 2016, 09:33:41 am
bump

lol. raptor THINKS about starting a diet and bumps some random thread which couldnt apply less to him even if he was 15kg lighter :/

1986
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 20, 2016, 09:31:45 am »
Quote from: Raptor on April 20, 2016, 07:30:08 am
I think you are. For one, you look less downwards, and your back seems to be straighter. The thing that bothers me is that you don't finish the extension in the air, you don't "pull" yourself in the air completely, or extend, like a cat, extend that spine and hips, you just "jerk" it a bit and that's it.

k .. will work on those things. Thanks.

1987
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 20, 2016, 04:37:49 am »
BS 6x125(LPR)
JS 8x110, 8x150, 8x180, 8x70
DJ 2x6x21"
BRoad jumps ~ 10 (before i got kicked off by soccer practice)

PP 6x64.5, 4x67(PR?), 6x65

DUNKS 3x6 (fuck off)
Med ball 3x6x10kg (PR @ 8.5m on landing)

 BW: 178.5

Notes:
Proud of myself, did a set of 5 on BS and had the self discipline to leave it at that. Nothing was to be gained by forcing some meaningless PRs on squats. Saving it for track & dunking  :ibrunning: :ibjumping:
On depth jumps i'm kinda meh about this exercise. I will try to increase frequency and do them twice weekly. The first one will be "intense" 2x6  off 21" and the 2nd one can be "volume" 3x8 off 12-16". That will help me separate depth jumps into strength and speed days respectively. Hopefully that gives better bang for buck.
Broad jumps .. hit a PR then had to leave immediately after. Got it on vid. Later realised i had left it on 720p and forgot to change to 1080p to get better quality. Oh well. Next time.. haha. Video below anyways.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjfCaZQIvSE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjfCaZQIvSE</a>
^whaddya reckon guys .. am i improving or nah?

1988
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« on: April 20, 2016, 03:19:58 am »
Quote from: Raptor on April 20, 2016, 03:05:29 am
Chile? Chile women = the shit.

But what is your job? Unless is secret or something.

Take a hint! It's clear he doesn't wanna divulge details.

1989
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 19, 2016, 04:11:52 am »
Post mortem on yesterdays workout .. my glutes are pretty sore. I guess that's good sign for becoming a hip dominant athlete. When my quads are strong enough to squat 2xbw AND i am hip dominant and am efficient at moving, I'll be in a good place for peaking my lifetime athleticism. That's exciting. But a lot of hard work to do yet. Speaking of BW .. it's worrying how it's drifted higher than i'd like, i'd be ok with maintaining a leanish 77kg and recomping 'round there, but it bothers me weighing more than 80kg. Need to get that in check.

1990
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 18, 2016, 10:03:37 am »
Quote from: T0ddday on April 18, 2016, 07:33:54 am
Quote from: maxent on April 18, 2016, 04:06:11 am
THat last workout (week?) was hard to recover from. I skipped training yesterday (!!) and i'm still pretty beat up today but will force a workout. Also ate a lot of food and slept a lot .. but to no avail .. broad jumps are hard on the body huh. Using the TENS unit on my calves and hips may have made them worse .. lol.. interesting..

Anything new seems especially hard on the body.  For the  noninitiated bounding will be really hard on tibials and all of lower leg...  For me a squat day will leave me w days of soreness but bounding is hardly noticeable if volume is moderate.  It's part of a warmup.  You will adapt. Your not going high or far on your broad jumps and will quickly adapt.  The single leg bounds are where you always need to be aware of volume constraints to recover.  You will get there though.

Fair enough. I'll let my body adjust. I'm sitting here eating 300g of chicken breast in the meantime. Kill me now! I must admit some of the soreness i got was  so weird .. like just under the ribs?! I didnt even know there was muscles there haha. And in general, my abdominals too: which was surprising, including obliques .. always wondered how sprinters end up with that weird muscle buildup there .. i guess i found a way to try myself! cool :)

1991
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 18, 2016, 06:18:57 am »
BS 6x122.5(LPR), 6x122.5B, 3x2x127.5(LPR)
RDL 8x150(warmup PR), 4x192.5(PR), 10x180(PR)
BHT 8x200(PR), 2x220(PR)
OHP 3x4x60

BW: 179.9 (yikes)
lmao .. i ran out of chalk and this guy gave me some satchels of stuff .. used it and then realised it's actually anti-chalk .. it's supposed to make for a frictionless surface :/ oops.

1992
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 18, 2016, 04:06:11 am »
THat last workout (week?) was hard to recover from. I skipped training yesterday (!!) and i'm still pretty beat up today but will force a workout. Also ate a lot of food and slept a lot .. but to no avail .. broad jumps are hard on the body huh. Using the TENS unit on my calves and hips may have made them worse .. lol.. interesting..

1993
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« on: April 17, 2016, 01:43:34 am »
I think that's great advice to LBSS, he wont find a more dedicated training partner to throw lobs than himself. Just speculating -- but is there is a chance he will be able to improve his vertical by adopting regular self lob based training, because he has to go chase the lobs so demanding more from his movement efficiency?

1994
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 16, 2016, 07:40:34 am »
Quote from: T0ddday on April 16, 2016, 04:07:35 am
Quote from: maxent on April 14, 2016, 05:38:18 am
Tangentially, Todday interesting to read about your experience with changing the dunk hand so late in the game. Ive never done a dunk with my R hand before .. but ... since i am a RL plant jumper who has never got a game time dunk .. im tempted to explore dunking with my R hand! I can't palm the ball with my R hand. But never really tried to either and today I found I could work up to it by warming up to it by trying to palm my 6kg medball, then my bigger/slippier bball before attempting a normal grippier ball. Will work on my grip and try dunking with it on friday. 

Part of my brain thinks does R hand or L hand matter when you can dunk doublehand? isn't that eliminating any advantage or disadvantage gained or lost by using one hand over the other? But when i think about it, my double hand dunks are done kinda L hand dominant anyway and it's possible i can gain by doing them R hand dominant? Maybe that's worth exploring. Will report back tmr if you're interesting in reading about my experience with it.

I'll be honest I never really gave it such earnest tries until I watched LBSS jump. But to me it's a godsend.  You maybe eliminate some of the help when you double hand dunk but for me not all... There are days when I'm not jumping high and I can double hand dunk (jump up and dunk it cleanly w no tomahawk) but can't cleanly dunk w one hand...  Which is weird.

For me at least jumping with the left hand back makes a huge difference.  I just trained on vertec and easily PRed over 40" (touched 11'2") with my left hand.  Didn't even feel great.  In fact using the left has me doing a much more real sideways shoulders turned plant...

One thing I've always been told is I seem to need to jump higher than others to dunk.  I will be able to hit my head on the backboard while someone else of the same height as me can't but can dunk easier than me... I think using the left hand levels the playing field for me.  When I jump and touch w left I feel like I'm jumping maximally high and then reaching vs having my hand inside my body and worrying about timing...

I did try doing double hand dunks from the L side of the rim last night. Felt super clunky and i found myself being directly under the rim almost .. which sucks. I think i am turning them into dunks with L hand dominant which defeats the purpose of the exercise. to be R hand dominant. So will have to work on dunking with one hand. But it feels so unnatural .. and all those things you're describing as being improved with the L hand .. feel how my normal L hand dunks feel .. so idk if my R hand dunks will ever feel better than L?? I should def look into this further though. If i can increase my dunk range outside my comfort zone around the R side of the rim, it will allow me more chance of getting game time dunks .. especially when i am SO much more reactive on the L side of the court compared to the R.

1995
Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 16, 2016, 07:34:27 am »
Quote from: T0ddday on April 15, 2016, 04:55:10 pm
Well there is a reason I told you to drill standing jumps before multiple but wth.  Ok your not looking quad dominant. 

Standing jumps ... as in SVJs? Broad jump singles? :S Went back through the posts in the last few pages and all i found was this:

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The broad jump itself is helpful because "slow" athletes don't know how to use their hips and gluteus. It's why you travel in the weird diagonal up on your dunks, no hip pop at extension.  Learning how to use your hips to jump vertically is hard.  So we start you going forward.  It's much easier to use your hips in the horizontal plane than vertical... Broad jumps will allow you to get used of this and then you can translate it to jumping up.  Don't worry about what the standing broad jump will do for your athleticism, your thinking too far ahead... Learn the skill.  Become proficient. Then use it as a base to do exercises that will make you a much better athlete like jump, jump, dunk and many multi jump variations. 

So master the broad jump. Then improve the multibroad jump. Also, jump, jump, dunk .. sounds intriguing.. !

Btw lately my lower body musculature has grown appreciably. Glutes and hams in particular are bigger and fleshier. I haven't got the big lifts to show for it though which is kinda disappointing .. but .. hopefully will get that too once i've got on a rhythm with training.

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But oh my god.... Do you ever have a neutral back?  Vid quality isn't excellent but it looks like you somehow avoid ever getting neutral for everything you do... This can literally add a foot to your vertical if you fix it.   
Sorry about the quality. Will try take better video over the coming sessions.. still working out how .. with angle and lighting and so on. Will improve. And about my neutral back or lack of .. yeah :/ Idk .. i awlays wondered how that would help my dunk .. cause i dont have it there either.. hmm, a foot would be amazing though. Fk! How should I fix this?

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