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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: My quads suck
« on: December 11, 2012, 08:17:42 am »
Well apparently they have the same name as these:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCDFdNqg0I4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCDFdNqg0I4</a>

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Gerald Green head over rim analysis
« on: December 10, 2012, 10:02:32 pm »
I don't know who exactly I am responding to but I object to the idea that one should try to replicate the form. One should perform exercises that improve force absorption instead.

When I first started training 2 footed vertical about 4 years ago at least, I had NO IDEA how to plant off of ONE step, let alone, a full runup with 3-5 steps. It was IMPOSSIBLE to do a running vertical. It was the ugliest fuck ever. Practicing the form helped very little, watching dunk videos also did not help. It took years to understand. Still taking 3 huge steps is something I can barely do. But I can easily do a powerful 1-2 step vert, and the reason why I can plant so much faster, more powerfully, and with a longer penultimate now than 2 years ago, is due to greater eccentric strength, and force absorption, not just because I have thought about the spatial relationships of my joints during the jump mentally for several dozens of hours over the past few years. Squats have helped me, sprinting, and I suppose yes watching videos again and again and again has helped. But 4 years ago, when it was impossible, there was no reactive strength anywhere. Just 3 years ago, freshman year, I also could not physically do it without losing like 3 inches on my vert each time compared to taking a mini step. Only within the past year have I been able to look normal while practicing RVJ. By normal I mean, staying low, planting sideways, and having a noticeable plant foot which hits the ground before the other foot.

Similarly, in sprinting, practicing maximum velocity mechanics gets you almost nowhere without the force producing capabilities typical of an elite sprinter that is developed through strength training and lots of sprinting at near maximal intensities. Practicing the form won't even make SENSE without those force producing capabilities you just will not be able to do it. If you have weak hamstrings, tight adductors and hip flexors it will be impossible to practice max velocity mechanics. Same with acceleration. It's very difficult to practice a low heel recovery if you don't have much quad strength. Build them up and it makes more sense.

Conclusion: Do whatever you want, but you will not improve much by practicing Gerald Greene's form, because you cannot produce force like him, and you will not produce force like him, until you can delineate exactly how he produces force and how much is coming from each joint (ankle, knee, hip), then try to understand how your limb structure and biomechanics can try to replicate that form and then work towards improving the force production or absorption in those areas. (actually you don't need to do all of that, since most elite jumpers jump like Greene). For LBSS force absorption in the hips could help him stay low. Depth jumps jupming backwards and bounding will help. But forcing yourself to plant sideways a little more may help load the hips. You may not jump as high but that doesn't matter it's about training the hips at that magical 90 degree angle elite jumpers maintain during the amortization. (edit: btw when I say you it is meant generally and not to any one individual).

Regardless, Greene doesn't seem to jump THAT differently or differently at all from other elite jumpers. It does seem like his plant foot is less flat footed but he transitions from flat foot to forefoot by the time the other non-plant foot makes contact with the floor, allowing for both feet to take off simultaneously. Doesn't sound too crazy if I got that right. He also plants sideways a little bit which is very natural. He also does the twisting supercoil technique that sickenvendetta talked about. jk about the last one.

I actually took the time to read what you wrote and I have to add that people will always use a heel-to-toe plant. The heel will pretty much always touch the ground first. You just can't plant with the ball of the foot... that would be the worst unstable position of them all.

I am currently terrible at running two leg jumps (I either do SVJ or a slow drop-step vert like the big centers do - I cannot control a running VJ) but apparently my quads suck big time so that's no shock in my inability to do running two-leg jumps. Until I get my quads really strong there's no way I'll do it.

Which reminds me - I'm tired of the overblowing the importance of the posterior chain. Give me strong quads and then I'll worry about the posterior chain.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 10, 2012, 05:44:09 pm »
I end up at 39 cm neck and 90 cm belly giving me 18-19% bodyfat.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: New member with basketball aspirations
« on: December 10, 2012, 05:25:32 pm »
Doing suicides and shooting is an excellent idea. All these fuckers like Dwight Coward should do them and THEN shoot free throws. Not like they're doing it now "let me shoot 100 free throws with no effort in between and then brag about how I really practice free throws but it never clicks for me so... don't blame me".

Shut the fuck up bitch and do some suicides and THEN shoot free throws. Learn proper shooting form from closer to the basket and then gradually go to the free throw line etc.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: December 10, 2012, 05:22:54 pm »
Leg press? Nice. :D

What ROM? Full or partial?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: December 10, 2012, 05:21:26 pm »
I need to measure some stuff... brb

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: My quads suck
« on: December 10, 2012, 05:19:31 pm »
Never did hack squats. What are they good for?

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Introduce Yourself / Re: New member with basketball aspirations
« on: December 10, 2012, 04:35:56 am »
You should focus more on strength and do just a handful of "warmup" plyos before your strength workouts right now IMO.

See the JackM split or my log for examples.

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so why would you cheat yourself just to feed your ego?

To cheat your ego. It's GREAT!

No but for a guy like me with knee issues... it helps. Also if you also do front squats maybe it's a good idea to do low bar squats with PROPER form (leg driven).

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: December 09, 2012, 05:56:15 pm »
What you really mean is "take a look at my calfzillas" :P

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: Kingfush Unlisted Training Vids
« on: December 09, 2012, 05:43:53 pm »
Yeah, exactly. I'm having problems with just a few plates loaded on it... it has the tendency to roll back (as in unracking) every time so ... thanks but... not for me.

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: Kingfush Unlisted Training Vids
« on: December 09, 2012, 04:04:33 pm »
Private video^^^

By the way - how do you use the smith machine? You need to rotate the bar to put it back? Is there any other way to re-rack it? Because at my gym I have to rotate the bar using the hands and it's sliding in my hands and I have to bend my back to help rotate it back on the racks and I've had TERRIBLE back pain two times from this - so I'm not using it anymore. Way too dangerous for my back because of this.

Is there any other way I'm not aware of to re-rack the weight?

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: My quads suck
« on: December 08, 2012, 11:55:20 am »
the romanian would say so too.

Are you crazy?! I can go to my police neighborg and install him pirated games... pretty cool eh?

ha i know in some ways its awesome.

my cousin was driving his unregistered car from USA overseas... cop stops him. he woulda had to pay a $5,000 fine and have his car impounded. my friend cousin him $25 bucks and the cop just said "this never happened" and left.

"Cousing" him? Sheesh, I don't want any more details!

Not but I bet your friend was like "hey if the cop says it didn't happen then IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!" :D

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: beast
« on: December 07, 2012, 08:16:59 pm »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r0hdHV95sU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r0hdHV95sU</a> :ibjumping:

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