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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: how much squat for athletes?
« on: June 19, 2012, 02:41:46 pm »
Seriously, I can't understand a thing of what you're saying...
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: how much squat for athletes?
« on: June 19, 2012, 11:52:46 am »And for type A stronger is possible without gains in bw, and for type B it is not - as we defined. So herein does not lie a solution.
Why?
Maybe athlete A can naturally recruit 80% of his motor neurons when he jumps, whereas athlete B needs training to get to those 80% from his current 50%. He can do that without the need of additional muscle. Once he gets there, then obviously there's no other way than increasing muscle mass.
The question is - how can you know where you're at in terms of quick&high % recruitment ability and if you should continue to work on that or not?
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: how much squat for athletes?
« on: June 19, 2012, 10:30:02 am »
Good call.
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: how much squat for athletes?
« on: June 19, 2012, 10:08:08 am »What other reasonable choices really exist if you fall into the B category?
What about really going explosive, be it going very heavy with very low rep ranges (1-3, since these rep ranges force the recruitment of a very high % of the motor neurons) or using lighter weights and moving the bar as fast as possible (where the bar actually moves fast as well). There will be some hypertrophy involved as well considering the TUT, not that much as a regular strength workout (say 3x5) but the thing would be to make you learn to generate a lot of force very quickly (faster neural signals).
As a B guy you're still probably far away from generating the maximum amount of power you can from your current muscles, with no additional hypertrophy, so why not work on improving that?
If you can squat 300 lbs and only use 50% of that in the jumps, and you improve onto using 70-80% of that in the jumps by improving the neural signals with no additional muscle gain, then you will jump higher.
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: how much squat for athletes?
« on: June 19, 2012, 08:15:41 am »I heard that you should squat max about 2.5x bw else if you exceed that then you will start to slow down as you bulk up. so wouldn't squatting 3 or 4x bw slow you down.
1)Get to 2,5BW.
2)Test your vert.
3)Get to 3xBW.
4)Test your vert.
5)???
6)Profit.
You really believe that? For me personally, to get there, I'd probably have to not jump at all, just squat and get big. So basically I'd train to jump higher by not jumping at all and when I do jump, do 2-3 jumps, get tired/injured because I'm heavy, go home. Wow, great fun!
The amount of effort to get to 2.5-3x, time for recovery, money, food, weight, bodyfat, you name it - it... it's just not worth it in my opinion. I'd be all for it if I knew it would actually help me, but I'm not very sure about that.
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: how much squat for athletes?
« on: June 18, 2012, 02:03:24 pm »
Well...
I have been squatting consistently for 2 years and haven't got to 2x. Could I have gotten there? Of course, if I were to bulk and weigh 90 kg now. But is that really what I want? Sacrifice everything to get to 2x? Get my body broken down from all the jumps and landings because I weigh 90 kg? Only be able to jump a few times and go home? So on and so forth?
That's the thing. And I do kind of fit in that lanky category so...
Of course I'd like to be at 2x+, but is it worth it athletically? I'm feeling much more athletic now (jump higher, move better etc) than I felt when I was 86-87 kg with a squat 1RM of 155-160 kg. I have no idea what my squat is now since I haven't squatted in ~2 months but you better believe it's under NO WAY at that ~150 level right now.
Sure, stopping squatting helped recover and really "show" my built up potential through the months of squatting I did in the past, now that I had the chance to actually focus on jumping, but you get the idea.
I have been squatting consistently for 2 years and haven't got to 2x. Could I have gotten there? Of course, if I were to bulk and weigh 90 kg now. But is that really what I want? Sacrifice everything to get to 2x? Get my body broken down from all the jumps and landings because I weigh 90 kg? Only be able to jump a few times and go home? So on and so forth?
That's the thing. And I do kind of fit in that lanky category so...
Of course I'd like to be at 2x+, but is it worth it athletically? I'm feeling much more athletic now (jump higher, move better etc) than I felt when I was 86-87 kg with a squat 1RM of 155-160 kg. I have no idea what my squat is now since I haven't squatted in ~2 months but you better believe it's under NO WAY at that ~150 level right now.
Sure, stopping squatting helped recover and really "show" my built up potential through the months of squatting I did in the past, now that I had the chance to actually focus on jumping, but you get the idea.
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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Triple BW
« on: June 17, 2012, 06:27:40 pm »
Great, but you should've used the beast thread
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MUSiC anD SHeeT! / Re: What Are You Listening To Right Now?
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: The PR's/PB's, videos, pictures, and daily achievements thread
« on: June 17, 2012, 02:00:43 pm »
Rim is 9'8 or 2.95m
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: stole acole14's program and adapted it for myself - thoughts?
« on: June 16, 2012, 08:09:05 pm »
Yeah I know. It probably works best the most advanced you are (where advanced = experienced).
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: stole acole14's program and adapted it for myself - thoughts?
« on: June 16, 2012, 07:49:28 pm »What do you suggest people should do to improve their recovery, so that squats + jumps begins to work effectively for everyone?
I think we don't keep enough of an eye on fatigue accumulation during the workout and during a phase (or cycle). We also have this tendency/obsession to go to failure when lifting.
IMO, if more emphasis would be put on bar speed instead of actual failure, we'd have better recovery (due to stopping before failure (stopping when the bar speed slows down)), better specificity (faster movements in say the squat) and more time to perform jumps at a higher intensity (and therefore adapting to that kind of strong neural signals when jumping).
So there's a bunch of stuff that could be improved if our focus would be on bar speed and recovery vs. going on a ton of volume and training to failure overall when lifting, and then being so tired when jumping. It doesn't make any sense. Lifting should be suplimentary to jumping and not the other way around.
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: stole acole14's program and adapted it for myself - thoughts?
« on: June 16, 2012, 03:35:24 pm »
I think the only thing holding people back from using "just jumping" as a good plyometric workout (and 100% specific to what they actually want to increase) is jumping while not completely recovered.
That's why IMO people need to pay more attention to recovery/programming to actually benefit from the squat + jump equation.
That's why IMO people need to pay more attention to recovery/programming to actually benefit from the squat + jump equation.
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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Take creatine for first time for getting explosive?
« on: June 14, 2012, 07:40:00 pm »Anyone would benefit from creatine. There's no reason not to be taking it.
What about water retention?
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Basketball / Re: A WHOLE BUNCH OF DUNKS AND SHIT.
« on: June 14, 2012, 05:47:55 am »4350
Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: stole acole14's program and adapted it for myself - thoughts?
« on: June 13, 2012, 05:16:39 am »
It's weird because right now I'm focusing completely on the upperbody as far as strength goes, and for the legs I just play ball and dunk, and do the occassional swing and pistol. I never thought I'd be doing this.
So yeah, I believe upperbody is important because it gives you a certain "rhythm" when you jump and arm swing, and having powerful upperbody muscles potentiate the leg muscles through irradiation. So don't ignore that!
So yeah, I believe upperbody is important because it gives you a certain "rhythm" when you jump and arm swing, and having powerful upperbody muscles potentiate the leg muscles through irradiation. So don't ignore that!