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Oh, nice vag, going with sprints eh? I've never seen you do 2-leg bounds though, if your aim is two footed jumps. But sprints will definitely do a lot of good things to your body.

Quote from: Raptor on May 19, 2011, 09:12:30 am

What if you have weak shoulders (for the weight your legs are capable of propelling) and still want to snatch, but don't want to take years of training your shoulders to reach that level?

So you snatch with your shoulders? lol!

Well no but you do need some good isometric strength to keep a heavier bar over head.

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Speaking of arm swing, is there any way to switch from a single arm swing to a double arm swing in single leg bounding? Any progression or just plain old practice of the movement?

My single arm swing resembles what happens in a sprint more than in a jump.

Hm... well I do tend to bend forward at the waist when I run for my plant. If not (say I lean back a bit) then the knee usually collapses, so what you say makes sense.

So you're saying this can be corrected more with plyo stuff than weight room work (more a matter of shock absorption&manipulation/body position than regular say Romanian Deadlift or GHR strength)?

Also, what's your take on sprints and uphill sprints? They should train the hamstrings at high tension thresholds and going uphill should load the hips more, while at the same time the body position should favor hamstring load.

Thanks for this discussion by the way, I find this stuff very interesting and it's nice to actually have someone whom I can freely talk about and is able to understand these things.

PS. Andrew's words of "hamstrings are useless" keep coming to mind. He was talking about quad dominant two footed jumps though

Yeah I know, and you're right.

But how would a progression to stiff leg bounds should go? I mean, I have never ever seen anybody do that. Nowhere. You're saying a stiff leg single leg bound is a bound where the only movement occurs at the hip, while the knee is locked? That's... I'm not sure it's possible. You'd have to be a mutant in terms of strength to do it properly.

And yeah, my hamstrings are strong, but shouldn't the glutes take over in terms of hip extension? Ain't I overloading the hamstrings if they act as prime movers in terms of hip extension? Shouldn't the hams assist the glutes into performing the hip extension? Wouldn't getting the hams stronger make me even more "ham" dominant and potentially get injured by improper recruitment patterns/lazy glutes?

There's a bunch of stuff I need to think about ...

What if you have weak shoulders (for the weight your legs are capable of propelling) and still want to snatch, but don't want to take years of training your shoulders to reach that level?

Let me ask you something else.

Let's say I was born in Kosovo, where the average monthly salary is 10$. And I want to learn whatever it is in that book. Is it moral and ethical for me to put safe 0.25$ per month to get a 100$ book in 33 years?

The same applies with software. It's being developed by rich countries where a guy can pay 400$ for a piece of software because, you know, he makes 50.000$ per year. But here where I make, what, barely 3.000$ per year - I AM MORALLY AND ETHICALLY OBLIGED to buy that? Are you fucking kidding me? Piracy is the way. Worry about ethics later.