Jennifer: how's your lifting? me: meh i'm engaged in a debate about whether i should switch to high bar Jennifer: no brainer. yes. me: well you're biased oly lifter Jennifer: your low bar isn't really that low anyway. me: i know and i get deep and stay relatively upright Jennifer: HAHAHA.
in other news, my brother disappeared again a couple of days ago and turned up today at the ER with a ripped tendon and punctured artery in his arm. he'd bandaged it himself and apparently tied it tight enough that he didn't bleed out, so that's good. but he bled all over the ER nurse. guess she's seen worse. on the plus side, he's alive. on the down side, i now have a new way in which i can imagine him dying. bleeding to death was not on the list before.
also, it's my mom's birthday, so i'm going out to dinner with her. i was planning to work out afterward but under the circumstances that might not happen.
EDIT: yeah, no way i was getting to the gym today. tomorrow's out too so it'll have to be friday. oh well.
When I was comparing the styles of jump I was actually reffering to this:
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if you want to talk about movement patterns, kingfish's SVJ's are more like a low-bar squat. he leans way over. so do i, although i don't get nearly as high. look:
vs comparing your SQUAT styles. I was comparing your JUMPING styles.
From what I understand, you were comparing your squat styles lower in your post (and what you quoted).
The revelance of ball in hand is that he can't armswing his arms from back to forward-up like you can... that might alter the way he jumps (maybe with the ball in hand he has more weight in front of him, loading the quads more like in a front squat).
i do the "hang out and move around at the bottom of the squat" as part of my squat warm up. but i don't try to work my butt forward the way that guy does. must add that in.
i will continue to do OH squats with the empty bar until they get comfortable. the ones in the vid were from before i started my normal warm up, fwiw. ankle mobility is an issue, and thoracic spine mobility. those and hip capsule stuff are my main targets.
Shit. I'd mostly forgotten about that. It would certainly explain why I had no energy/fire/whatever. I FELT fine but it very well may have still been affecting me. Thanks LBSS.
ahahaha, you wrote about the concussion IN THE SAME POST that you complained about the workout sucking. maybe it was worse than you thought.
If all you care about is two-leg jumping exclusively, then you don't care about hamstring strength other than their function as the antagonists of the quads (having strong hams will allow the quads to express power better).
I think you can get away doing a "leg dominant" low bar squat though... so a similar movement pattern to a high bar squat. Also, a deep low bar squat.
Also, a successful (two leg) jumper is going to be more quad dominant than a sprinter.
okay. i care about two-leg jumping primarily because it has always seemed the quickest of my available routes to being able to dunk. a LR DLRVJ is the highest jump i can do by a wide margin. i don't care exclusively about it, but it is the most important, regardless of how little i've practiced since november.
You're also more hip dominant than Kingfish. You have your head forward and hips pushed more backwards at 0:31, with your knees barely going over the toes in the deep squat position and also having the heels elevated from the floor, whereas Kingfish has his knees go WAY over the toes and head more "back" and back more vertical in his video at 0:19, with his heels planted on the ground (they do seem to be just 1 inch or so raised off the floor).
see above:
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kingfish's squat is obviously deeper, more upright and with a farther-forward knee position than mine.
i've read the pendlay article KF linked to (here in case someone changes the link at the top of the forum: http://www.rookiejournal.com/low-bar-squats-for-olympic-weightlifters-are-usually-not-a-good-idea.html). i hear what he and t0ddday are saying. but i am stubborn and remain unconvinced that switching to high-bar would make a significant difference for me. the pendlay article is about olympic lifters. the main point he makes is that for oly lifters the positional carryover is much better for HB, and the LB squats can fuck you up if you're trying to get better at clean and jerk. he admits that HB squats tend to bias toward quad dominance, which is not advantageous for jumpers and sprinters, who need hamstring strength. and says, at the end:
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I also think the HB vs LB controversy has less meaning than has been assigned to it... for example, one certainly can squat with the bar in a low position and still do a pretty upright, deep squat, that as far as body position would satisfy any Olympic lifting coach. One can also do a HB squat and get quite bent over, I have personally proven that many times! Simply changing the position of the bar on the back doesnt magically change a good exercise to a bad one, or vice versa.
in my squats i situate the bar lower on my shoulders and have some forward lean, but still manage to get pretty well below parallel and to avoid shooting my hips (most of the time). if you want to talk about movement patterns, kingfish's SVJ's are more like a low-bar squat. he leans way over. so do i, although i don't get nearly as high. look:
kingfish's squat is obviously deeper, more upright and with a farther-forward knee position than mine. but i fail to see why, as a general training exercise, HB would be better. people with much more knowledge than i have say it would be -- who am i to question glenn pendlay or fred hatfield -- and i'm willing to try the switch just to see. i guess my brain is just struggling with the fact that i've yet to see someone explain WHY HB would have better carryover than LB to anything other than the oly lifts.
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