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Crazy Weird Analysis & Stuff :) / Association: Vertical jump to 1 mile running
« on: September 23, 2017, 04:33:29 pm »
I've been meaning to post this for a long time, just never got around to doing it .. i'm also pulling these numbers directly out of my ass. 
they make some sense to me though, but this post is just for fun. I used the "half-assed intuition approach" to create this chart.
vj = SVJ or RVJ, someone specializing (jumping alot) in either.
mile = maxed out mile run
Association Chart: Men's VJ vs Mile:
50 - 3:43
49 - 3:45
48 - 3:50
46 - 3:55
44 - 4:00
42 - 4:15
40 - 4:30
38 - 4:45
36 - 5:00
34 - 5:15
32 - 5:30
30 - 5:45
28 - 6:00
26 - 6:30 "average"
24 - 7:00
22 - 7:30
20 - 8:00
alternative chart using ~15s between everything, which is pretty similar to the chart above (this chart is probably nicer, come to think of it):
50 - 3:30
48 - 3:45
46 - 4:00
44 - 4:15
42 - 4:30
40 - 4:45
38 - 5:00
36 - 5:15
34 - 5:30
32 - 5:45
30 - 6:00
28 - 6:15
26 - 6:30 "average"
So, i'll use myself as an example. My best GPS watch timed mile last year was 5:06, that would put me at an association level of a "~35 inch VJ". My best 5k last year, around the same time, GPS watch timed, was 18:12, which would put me at a "~29 inch VJ" equivalent per mile (~5:55), which makes sense because i'm using submax mile power, per mile, for 3.1 miles. So obviously there would need to be different standards for 5k, 10k etc, as the scale would shift downward (slower).
This also brings me to another thought i've had, which is why I basically created this little association/correspondence chart to begin with: it seems I can reach a ~5:06 mile alot faster than I can reach an associated ~35" VJ (RVJ). It seems that I have a much bigger ceiling for running, even at a "much older age" (5+ years), than I did with vert. This makes sense obviously, because one reason I became so obsessed with vert/dunking, was because I had never even come close growing up/early 20's, so I just wanted to do it so bad. Meanwhile, that entire time, I probably had (& maybe still have) a much better chance at reaching the ~42" vert association range, with running (~4:15 mile) etc.
Also, for an elite runner like Mo Farah:
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/great-britain-ni/mohamed-farah-179892
Take Mo Farah for example, his fastest mile is 3:56, which is an associated VJ of ~45". His 5k PB is 12:53, which is ~4:09 per mile, with each mile at an associated VJ of ~42.X". His 10k PB is ~4:19 per mile, which is an associated VJ of ~41.X".
Finally, one of the most interesting things to me about running vs jumping, is that I can hit running paces high up on the association chart, for shorter intervals. We can't do that with VJ, unless we use a trampoline or bands, but that doesn't count. Perhaps an equivalent aid would be wind-aided running & wind-aided jumping. Wind-aided runups make sense, I tried to never go into the wind when I was dunking, always felt better with a tail wind than a head wind. Same for running when i'm able to choose. There's also the crowd/fan/race/competition factor, that applies to both running & jumping, so that could be used to stimulate higher performance per session.
So, if we can hit higher paces for shorter intervals, it could mean it's actually easier to improve running than it is to improve jumping. I mean how else do you stimulate more motor recruitment in a jump, other than wind & crowd? That's where STIM sessions/PAP/DJ's/Plyometrics comes in.
Also, the amount of reps you can put in with running vs jumping is very significant. That's one reason i've been doing lots of light/submax jumping lately, but my frequency is still way too low to properly adapt & improve, I think.
peace!
they make some sense to me though, but this post is just for fun. I used the "half-assed intuition approach" to create this chart.vj = SVJ or RVJ, someone specializing (jumping alot) in either.
mile = maxed out mile run
Association Chart: Men's VJ vs Mile:
50 - 3:43
49 - 3:45
48 - 3:50
46 - 3:55
44 - 4:00
42 - 4:15
40 - 4:30
38 - 4:45
36 - 5:00
34 - 5:15
32 - 5:30
30 - 5:45
28 - 6:00
26 - 6:30 "average"
24 - 7:00
22 - 7:30
20 - 8:00
alternative chart using ~15s between everything, which is pretty similar to the chart above (this chart is probably nicer, come to think of it):
50 - 3:30
48 - 3:45
46 - 4:00
44 - 4:15
42 - 4:30
40 - 4:45
38 - 5:00
36 - 5:15
34 - 5:30
32 - 5:45
30 - 6:00
28 - 6:15
26 - 6:30 "average"
So, i'll use myself as an example. My best GPS watch timed mile last year was 5:06, that would put me at an association level of a "~35 inch VJ". My best 5k last year, around the same time, GPS watch timed, was 18:12, which would put me at a "~29 inch VJ" equivalent per mile (~5:55), which makes sense because i'm using submax mile power, per mile, for 3.1 miles. So obviously there would need to be different standards for 5k, 10k etc, as the scale would shift downward (slower).
This also brings me to another thought i've had, which is why I basically created this little association/correspondence chart to begin with: it seems I can reach a ~5:06 mile alot faster than I can reach an associated ~35" VJ (RVJ). It seems that I have a much bigger ceiling for running, even at a "much older age" (5+ years), than I did with vert. This makes sense obviously, because one reason I became so obsessed with vert/dunking, was because I had never even come close growing up/early 20's, so I just wanted to do it so bad. Meanwhile, that entire time, I probably had (& maybe still have) a much better chance at reaching the ~42" vert association range, with running (~4:15 mile) etc.
Also, for an elite runner like Mo Farah:
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/great-britain-ni/mohamed-farah-179892
Take Mo Farah for example, his fastest mile is 3:56, which is an associated VJ of ~45". His 5k PB is 12:53, which is ~4:09 per mile, with each mile at an associated VJ of ~42.X". His 10k PB is ~4:19 per mile, which is an associated VJ of ~41.X".
Finally, one of the most interesting things to me about running vs jumping, is that I can hit running paces high up on the association chart, for shorter intervals. We can't do that with VJ, unless we use a trampoline or bands, but that doesn't count. Perhaps an equivalent aid would be wind-aided running & wind-aided jumping. Wind-aided runups make sense, I tried to never go into the wind when I was dunking, always felt better with a tail wind than a head wind. Same for running when i'm able to choose. There's also the crowd/fan/race/competition factor, that applies to both running & jumping, so that could be used to stimulate higher performance per session.
So, if we can hit higher paces for shorter intervals, it could mean it's actually easier to improve running than it is to improve jumping. I mean how else do you stimulate more motor recruitment in a jump, other than wind & crowd? That's where STIM sessions/PAP/DJ's/Plyometrics comes in.
Also, the amount of reps you can put in with running vs jumping is very significant. That's one reason i've been doing lots of light/submax jumping lately, but my frequency is still way too low to properly adapt & improve, I think.
peace!
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