also mo's hamstrings look tight.. but he also looks loose most everywhere else. i'm similar, but less loose in the hips. So my quads are loose & hamstrings tight, like him.
Well that was a lovely scrap.... What a sick fight.
I came away with different take-aways than some of the posts in this thread: - Canelo's boxing skill is superior to GGG's. He was slipping GGG's punches all night, making him miss by a mile on many occasions. His counters were so sharp. He had GGG frozen for a good portion of the fight, GGG just couldn't unleash his power because he was missing too much & was cautious about what was coming back. - Canelo's body work is absolutely beautiful. GGG abandoned his body work, for the most part. - Canelo was way too tight in this fight. He looked nervous from the onset. He was shaking his arms throughout the fight, just didn't look settled. Even with all that, he somehow was able to slip & counter beautifully. GGG looked so relaxed and confident from the onset. - Canelo's "Floyd Impersonation" probably tired him out even more-so. Just way too much backward movement, dancing around the ring. That's not his style, and I don't think it served his stamina well in this fight. - GGG's heart is incredible. Towards the end of the fight, between rounds, man was he sucking wind. He looked absolutely trashed in the corner. But once the bell rings, he just comes forward in terminator mode and pushes through it. He didn't let his foot off of the gas, even while being very visibly fatigued. - GGG's power is incredible, but Canelo can take it. Canelo's power is solid, and GGG can take it as expected. - In the rematch, GGG won't be able to make as much adjustments as Canelo. This is why, for the rematch, I personally feel more confident that Canelo will win a decisive decision, as long as Canelo stands his ground more and comes in with more confidence. If Canelo has stamina issues throughout the entire fight, GGG will win "again". - GGG definitely won that fight, but not by much. I can see how that could be called a draw, but 118-110 for EITHER fighter is an absolute disgrace. That fight was very close. I personally had GGG winning 116-112 but that could have easily been 115-113, which again is close to draw status.
I've seen some highlight videos posted so far, and in my opinion, Canelo has the majority of the highlights: slips, counters, combos, movement, all in Canelo's favor. His boxing is so damn sharp it's really impressive. GGG is a true warrior with freak power, but he's like an "old dog" at this point. I don't see him acquiring some of these nuanced skills like Canelo has done over the years. Canelo adopted TOO MUCH of a "Floyd style" in this fight.
IMHO, If Canelo stands his ground more in the rematch, I think he can really school GGG. When Canelo did stand his ground, he got the better of the exchanges. I have no problem with him backing up, but he needs to do it more "controlled" and waste less energy moving back explosively. He also needs to do less of it in general, and just stand in the pocket slipping & countering which he proved he can do against GGG. If he makes those adjustments, which I think he will because he's that caliber of fighter, the rematch should go his way.
Also if anyone remembers, he stood between rounds in his last (few?) fights. I think he's been trying to improve/address some stamina issues in anticipation of a fight like this. IMHO, he was struggling for most of the fight. To me, you could see him trying to relax, but he just couldn't relax on the level he wanted. I think confidence and nerves could have alot to do with it, or maybe it has more to do with the weight gain, since he looked alot more relaxed when he fought at true welter. This is something they need to try and fix, fast. I don't think it's as simple as more road work/conditioning, there's some other stuff going on there. I mean he's been in so many 12 round fights, massive title fights, etc - at this point he should look way more comfortable throughout the first 3 quarters of a fight like this. The "arm shaking" is a big sign to me.. You don't do it as much as he did it, if you're not feeling very tight. He did lots of subtle shaking of his arms, and some overt ones as well. As a counter example, I can't even think of the last time I saw Floyd shake his arms in a fight.. Floyd's 12 round stamina is absolute god-mode. But Floyd ALWAYS fights his own fight. He doesn't switch it up like Canelo did, and fight with a different style. He just goes out and does exactly what he always does, and he's completely comfortable doing it, no matter the work rate of his opponent.
I can actually see it being a draw. but 118-110 for either fighter is just way off, 114-114 could be possible, alot of those rounds were very close.
I had GGG, 116-112 or 115-113 .. it was real close IMHO. Besides that, if we re-watch just the "highlights", I imagine Canelo will look more impressive. He was slipping and countering hard, all night. He looked really good.
Canelo looked tight pretty much the entire fight, surprised he could even stand up in the last few rounds. He moved way too much, that's not normal for him. By the end he was really gassed. Pretty much the entire fight he was shaking his arms out. So given all of that, incredible how effective he was against GGG with his counters and slips. He should have stood his ground more; he did great when he just stayed in there and didn't back up, he's got much better boxing skills.
I think Canelo wins the rematch .. I don't see GGG improving much in the second fight. I do see Canelo standing his ground more and outboxing GGG toe-to-toe. He just needs to watch the fight himself and he'll realize, he doesn't need to move as much & tire himself out adopting a style he's not comfortable with.
I personally was not too impressed with GGG. I thought Canelo neutralized him really well. GGG rarely could throw his power, he missed Canelo by a wide margin, so many times. I was impressed with GGG's heart though, honestly at the end of the fight he looked even more gassed than Canelo but he just guts through it and keeps coming forward. In the corner he was sucking so much wind, looked wrecked.. but man so much heart to just battle through all of that and keep coming at Canelo non-stop.
After watching it, i'm more confident that Canelo wins in the second fight, than I was that he'd win in the first.
diet: - 7:30 AM: water w/ lemon - 8:30 AM: workout: walk/light run - 10:30 AM: whole foods chocolate milk (ridic), 3 grape fruit, 2 x water w/ lemon - 2 PM: 2 hour nap - 4 PM: workout: bw - 4:30 PM: 2 x water w/ lemon, fried bananas and fried avocado in olive oil / coconut water, with salt/pepper, - 6 PM: workout: walk/run - 7 PM: water w/ lemon - 9 PM: roast beef sandwich, bunch of chicken wings, salad with gorgonzola - 10 PM: 5 x sprite (lmao!!) - 11 PM: CANELO VS GGG
bw: - 4:30 PM: - ng pullups: BW x 13 @ 9 + 4 dead hang -- nice! - full dips: BW x 10
walk/run: (walk 0.5 mi + light/moderate run 1 mi) x 3 - 6 PM - great workout - just tried to stay relaxed - wanted to do more reps but, going to meet up w/ someone to see canelo/ggg
Going to try a new style of progress tracker: monthly, embedded into my journal posts. Obviously this should be something fancy/amazing by now but, will make do with this. Also, going to go "across" rather than down, so it all fits into one small block.
TBH, I really like this so far.. even though I only have a few data points thus far.
w/r/t avishek mode: cool as long as you don't suddenly start making posts where you body-shame women. checked his instagram, was super disappointed to see all that bullshit on there. it's possible to make a point about the negative effects of unrealistic body expectations in media in general and bodybuilding media in particular without putting "FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL" over a before-and-after pic of a woman you don't know, and then talking about how you're more attracted to the before version.
fuck that.
ya when i speak of avishek mode it definitely doesn't include any of that... heh.
i mostly ignore those (female) body image posts of his, that stuff is lame .. kinda called him out on it in one of his recent posts.
my fridge breaking to me thinking.... what if i only eat stuff that doesn't need to be refrigerated? Or if I do need to eat something that needs to be refrigerated, just purchase it and cook/eat it immediately?
also i've got some water in my ear since last night's shower .. pissing me off. it feels like a small bit, but it needs to disappear.
09/15/2017
bw = 149 - soreness = quads slightly aches/injuries = left achilles slightly for ~30 min post wakeup - then disappeared morning quad flexibility = loose morning hamstring flexibility = loose feel = very good
wakeup = 6:30 AM -
diet: - 7 AM: water + protein, black coffee, 2 x banana, 1/2 glass of coconut water (needed some immediate sugar) - 8:40 AM: workout: jumping, ~2 hours, bw - 11 AM: water + protein - 1 PM: garlic/shredded carrots saute in olive oil, atop 2 avocados, with salt/pepper, 2 slices of bread, green tea, - 4:30 PM: 2 x water w/ lemon - 6 PM: workout: bw - 7 PM: 1/2 glass of coconut water - 7:15 PM: workout: walk/run - 8:30 PM: water + protein - 9 PM: 5 x bananas, 2 x bread slices, water w/ lemon
stretch: - everything before bed
jumps: - mostly submax for 2 hours, all kinds of runups - some harder jumps towards the end, when I got a free (good court) and got the came out - hit ~10'5 L-SLRVJ at the end for the cam - mostly 10'3"s and some 10'4"s - did lots of runups from nearly half court, on "nba regulation court", they felt good, actually got some ~10'3"s like that just off the bounce - ~50 each leg, all from runups between 3 pt line & half court, mostly submax/relaxed - JUMPED IN RUNNING ATTIRE!! NO MORE BBALL ATTIRE FOR JUMPING/DUNKING!!
bw: - ng pullups: BW x 12 @ 10 + 2 (dead hang) -- nice! - full dips: BW x 12 -- nice!
bw #2: - 6 PM - chinups: BW x 12 @ 10 + 2 (dead hang) - full dips: BW x 11 @ 9 + 2 (recovering on the bars)
walk+run: - 7:15 PM - from strava:
legs fatigued speed - 800m PR attempt: FAIL (kinda) 800m (2:24 +1 off), 275m (47s) Legs a bit fatigued, but still had some good power. Went for an 800m PR attempt, actually ran ~820m because I missed the sign. This is on a sidewalk, not a track. Told myself, listen just PR this 800m then you're done ... First ~500 was actually really good, I died hard mentally & physically after that. I pushed through it until the end at least. I'm happy about it, this is only ~1s off of my previous PR which came in a race as part of a SEGMENT within my race, so no time lost due to acceleration.
so technically I just PR'd. lmao. NICE.
The ~275m at the end felt INSANELY good.. I stopped it there because I didn't plan on anything after the 800m. I just wanted to see how my legs felt. They felt very powerful/explosive.
peace!
Going to try a new style of progress tracker: monthly, embedded into my journal posts. Obviously this should be something fancy/amazing by now but, will make do with this. Also, going to go "across" rather than down, so it all fits into one small block.
TBH, I really like this so far.. even though I only have a few data points thus far.
you just copped to spending $30,000 on equipment and whatever else. those two books together are excellent and cost less than $100. yes most of the info in them is available online for free but you have to search for it and put it together yourself. the whole point of lyle's books is to help people lose weight without losing strength, or to gain weight without getting overfat. so while your experience is what it is, you don't have to lose all strength while cutting quickly or slowly.
just sayin', priorities...
I must say, the $30k point, is quite epic.
Also FWIW, ya Lyle has tons of free information out there, so if FDL checks out some of those resources and likes what he sees, those books might be a good purchase. I personally don't follow Lyle much so, no real opinion on his stuff.
BW: 86kg Activity: Misc: So far no doms but i know that may well change .. Diet Compliance: 14/14, 0/5, 9/9, 0/2, 4/4, 0/2, 11/11
Rest...
Less than 200 days left! Yikes. Im neither lean, strong nor fit. Need to do better.
lol, I feel the same. My bulk= maintain strength add fat. My cut= lose strength and muscle at same rate as fat
You can do this better using EC for muscle sparing. Not sure where you live but you can buy Bronkaid from pharmacies like CVS by showing them your ID. Also use a lot of protein. Cut down on extra activity to minimise unnecessary fatigue and have high quality lifting sessions where you maintain the weight on the bar during the cut. Sleep really well. Also cut down the number of training days per week to around 2.5. That will help a lot.
disagree with the EC/Bronkaid advice, lol Agree with the sleep + protein (if alot is just adequate). Disagree with cutting down activity - one of the best ways to maintain muscle mass, is to use it, so training more frequently, in preferably short sessions (45-90 min), will help maintain mass. Long sessions with inadequate nutrition will definitely cause you to lose mass. Short, frequent, "intense" sessions with adequate nutrition (even if it's slightly deficit) will help you maintain mass.
Don't need any of that EC stuff IMHO. Want muscle sparing? Just perform 3 x 10-12 reps full body (push pull lower) 3-5x/week, nice and light .. and eat clean + get in adequate protein (at least 1g / kg bodyweight).
The best way to cut fat, is to do it slowly through a more healthy lifestyle change: cardio + clean diet. Drastic changes are more risky, and might cause one to return back to normal or even fat-supercompensate by eating everything in sight. Take the slow road, it's easy psychologically & it also helps you maintain mass easier.
also fwiw, this was me in early 2015 @ 207 lb, fat, probably in the obese category, absolutely no muscle definition anywhere, belly etc: https://cdn-enterprise.discourse.org/tnation/uploads/default/original/3X/4/4/4432554d44c83b71ee0050b4bd278b26c5689c81.jpg .... and you've probably seen late 2016 photos or my 2017 photos now. I don't lift anymore so it's harder for me to maintain abnormally high muscle mass given my frame, but when I was dunking, at ~145-150 lb I had abnormally large thigh mass, which was intended from squatting. So, through clean diet+exercise & lifting for strength (and to maintain muscle mass), I had no problem keeping muscle mass on the muscle groups I actually wanted to have muscle mass maintained.
pc!
I actually think this is a highly personal thing and in my book EC is perfectly safe. Have used it in the past and would use it again if not for living in a nanny state where it's completely banned. My best experience with EC was 18 months ago when i used EC while cutting down to ~165 while increasing muscle mass and strength on a pretty significant caloric deficit. And i was training super hard (not just lifting). The muscle sparing benefits along of it on a cut are worth the sides (which only last a couple of days before subsiding). It's the most researched (scientifically) fat loss drug and was safe but people are dumb and overdose and ruin it for everyone etc.
However i will say that FDL is fat enough atm to not need any EC but if/when it becomes an issue it's worth considering it if you are worried about retaining muscle. Maybe once he's down 20-30lb from now? Actually EC is one of those things where its fat loss effects actually improve with chronic usage. But i think it's better to use it sparingly (ha ha) in short hardcore cuts (10-20 days) with big deficits. Up to the individual to decide. It's just one option.
One thing to keep in mind is if you need to cut a very long time (eg in this case) then towards the tail end you do actually suffer from the muscle wasting problem a lot more than if your cut is relatively brief (say 6-12wks).
cool, I respect that. I'm not completely anti-supp, so if it's effective and safe, i'll consider "not attacking it". My issue was mostly with the timing of the advice - like you said, once he's down maybe 30 lb, then it might be worth considering. I still don't think it will be, but that's the appropriate time for sure, not now. So I was just disagreeing with it more on the timing perspective.
I mean, if people do their research and want to take PED's with the help of some medical team, as long as it's not cheating in the sport, then I guess go for it .. but, if they are considering this, they better be topped out athletically with many years of dedicated training, for me to be able to comprehend it. So that's where I come from on these things, the idea of whether or not there has been enough focused, hard, dedicated work, to justify taking supplement X or PED Y.
If you look on these bodybuilding forums, it's absolutely batshit. It seems people just want to take substances. It doesn't even seem like they want to achieve an effect, IMHO. From what i've witnessed on these forums, it's more about just "taking shit" than actually achieving anything. These people dish out roid advice & all kinds of crazy supplement/PED stacks to people who are literally training noobs, it's insane. People who were once athletic, now many years old, coming to a forum talking about how they want to get unfat, and asking about 20 different supplements and getting back all kinds of responses about what, when, and how to take chemical Z. To me it's absolutely baffling.
I personally believe, the best way for 99.9% of people/athletes to stimulate a specific change (more/less muscle, more/less fat, more/less conditioning, more/less strength, more/less power) is through simple methods of training, training frequency, nutrition, nutrition timing, and sleep.
So as a very simple example, if you want to achieve more fat, less muscle, less strength, less power, and less conditioning, you would alter your training regime to include less training, more food, and even improper sleep. We talk at length about the reverse, but I think talking about the inverse is also important, which we rarely do.
"Hi I would like to go from 10 pullups to 0 pullups, what should I do?"
That should be its own thread, "The Training Inverse" thread.. kind of like my "reverse hypertrophy" terminology
But back on topic, the human organism's potential for adaptation is absolutely beautiful .. finding the right external stimuli to cause our bodies themselves to produce the desired hormonal, neural, muscular, bone, etc adaptations, is where it's at IMHO. Simply ingesting/injecting manufactured chemical compounds and such, removes "the work needed for our bodies themselves to create these effects". That work, IMHO, is the key. Another quick example, taking CHEMICAL X (WITH N SIDE EFFECTS) to drop fat vs taking months to drop fat using cardio: the work, "cardio", will also improve heart, lungs, and other enzymes related to human performance, while in the process of burning fat.
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