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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: September 06, 2012, 03:24:41 am »
Quote from: entropy on September 06, 2012, 12:07:48 am
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-There's no magic fat loss from basketball.
-Cutting under 2000 calories doesn't fuck up your metabolism to any significant degree.
-Other ways to burn bodyfat other than diet?  Other things help, but how effective these other things are comes down to your diet...
-There's no such thing as spot reduction.
-As for an explanation of your "argument" above, it's impossible to tell from the information you gave.  There can be numerous factors involved. 
-Your plan will probably work for getting you leaner, that's not what I'm arguing.  I'm just saying your facts are totally wrong.

lol aren't you pushing the calories-in dogma a little too far dude? I agree its the main thing if you eat like crap it probably doesn't matter what you do training wise, you'll still stay fat. but that's not my situation, im eating 95% clean and under maintenance, so i've got that in check. I'm not someone spending 10 minutes on the treadmill and then going to have double whoppers "for recovery" post workout!

basically my argument is this, whenever i've played basketball seriously, i'd be unwittingly doing HIIT and aerobic training and this burns bodyfat. Period. And it does this regardless of whether or not i'm in a caloric surplus or deficit or maintenance or whatever. That's my experience. When I was in university i was on a high caloric intake and yet i was very lean because of basketball. And recently, earlier this year when I played basketball (as compared to not doing any HIIT or aerobic exercise) - i burnt bodyfat - bellyfat to be specific even though my caloric intake was slightly surplus to maintenance.

But now i'm on a caloric deficit while not playing basketball i've lost 4-5kg of bodyweight and yet I have more bellyfat than I did when i weighed more and wasn't cutting but was playing basketball. 'm not generalising to everyone out there, just describing my personal experience.

And btw there is spot reduction but not in the way you are thinking of. For example if you take someone very obese, and you put them on a low carb diet and have them doing cardio, they'll take off belly fat preferentially according to the science. Or even if you take some one obese who is sedentary, the experts say first goes the visceral bodyfat and then the subcutaneous. Is that spot reduction in the sense of someone doing high rep bench press to burn man boobs? Not quite the same thing

But if you're going to talk about facts you have to admit that aerobic and HIIT are good at burning fat and introducing them to someone who doesn't do them will have a fat loss effect (provided diet is in check which it is for me but i'm not getting the results i want with just diet alone)



Where the hell in that quote of my post am I further pushing the calorie in vs out concept?

All I'm saying is, burning 100 calories from jacking off = burning 100 calories from HIT/basketball/cardio/whatever...  There can be a myriad of reasons to explain your argument, but to think basketball has had magical effects on your fat loss efforts is wrong.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism -- fat loss changes
« on: September 05, 2012, 08:41:09 pm »
Quote from: entropy on September 05, 2012, 11:12:54 am


See the homeboy above, that V - I had that visible earlier this year when I was playing basketball despite weighing about 4-5kg more. That means i've lost 4kg of bodyweight and since i'm stronger and more muscular now than then, it has been 4-5kg of bodyfat.

How do you guys explain that? Cal in vs Cal out sermons can't explain it to me. I'm willing to accept I was burning more calories then than now. But i also know i was eating more then than now. So how does that affect balance? Now think about this for a second. I've maintained a caloric deficit to lose 4-5kg of bodyfat, so im definitely in a deficit, but yet that V above, yea I dont have it right now!!

I WONT cut more calories from my diet. I'm practically eating 2 square meals, 2000-2700 calories a day. I wont drop below 2000 and if you tell me to cut more than that. I REFUSE TO CUT ANY MORE CALORIES. My metabolism will get fucked up if I have a bigger deficit from diet than I already have and that's no way to live.

But I dont need to cut any mroe calories because there are other ways to burn bodyfat than thru diet. Aerobic steady state and HIIT will do that very well. I know that from experience.

I think I have it figured out tho. It's the mix of aerobic and hiit that I need to add. And sensibly, not 10+km of cardio a week like I did last week. No it has to be a reasonable amount. And it has to be both aerobic and hiit. I cant' and wont go back to playing basketball (cos then i cant train properly), so i'll have to be really smart about this.

tentative plan
daily 500m-600m fasted TM (~5-10mins, weekly progression: add 0.1km/hr and 50m)
1x a week HIIT (tabata mountain bike),  steady state cardio (30-60 mins riding mountain bike)
3x a week - ~3mins/session - TM warmups  - before weights, stick to about 3 minutes, not too high intensity, just get warm and blood flowing.
1x week pickup basketball (max of 3 games, and no more than 2 games back to back).


Playing pickup, I wont/cant play 2-3 hours straight like i did sunday because then training gets fucked up.

But basically i'm going to keep a bit of daily aerobic work, nice and gentle, pure fat loss, little impact on lifting. And slowly ramp it up over time. Then ride a bike trying to simulate my magic fat loss from basketball (mix of HIIT and aerobic) by doing tabata sprints and then just riding casually for 30-60mins.

On off days, i might go for a long walk but not a treadmill and maybe shoot hoops. dunno maybe.

I don't want to do much running/jogging cos it fucks up my knees/ankles and tires out my calves/hamstrings/quads and makes for shitty squat sessions.  So i'm going to try riding a bike instead. Hopefully that will give the conditioning without the side-effects i just mentioned. It also gives me a chance to go outdoors since i have a nice bike trail 5 minutes near my place.

 I want a nice balance of aerobic (2x a week) and HIIT (1x a week). Just what I had when I played basketball earlier in the year and saw good spot reduction of belly fat.

-There's no magic fat loss from basketball.
-Cutting under 2000 calories doesn't fuck up your metabolism to any significant degree.
-Other ways to burn bodyfat other than diet?  Other things help, but how effective these other things are comes down to your diet...
-There's no such thing as spot reduction.
-As for an explanation of your "argument" above, it's impossible to tell from the information you gave.  There can be numerous factors involved. 
-Your plan will probably work for getting you leaner, that's not what I'm arguing.  I'm just saying your facts are totally wrong.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: September 05, 2012, 06:19:56 am »
I competely agree with Vag.  It's all mental.

There isn't any kind of secret to basketball.  Cmon, listen to yourself.  Sounds like possibly your trying to give yourself a reason to start doing something you love more, even though it gets in your way of your strength training.  

In the end, the vast majority of your weight loss goals will come from calories in vs calories out, while your macronutrient ratios play a big part if you're going for fat loss/muscle maintenence, instead of just getting lighter.

Back in college, you were younger and had a faster metabolism probably.  I'm only 23 and I get fatter now if I eat whatever I want, but when I was 18/19, I ate even more than I do now and I didn't gain a single pound.  It's certainly not cause I was playing more basketball, cause my activity level is about the same.

I'm not saying don't play basketball.  I'm just saying in my opinion, you're getting kind of ridiculous saying that basketball is some sort of magic fat loss activity.  Burning 100 calories from basketball is the same as burning 100 calories from jacking off.

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Basketball / Re: this dude can fly and hes not even black
« on: August 30, 2012, 05:52:36 am »
Quote from: hyperdunk1 on August 30, 2012, 05:35:00 am

Hyperdunk, you are amazing.  I thought your lacking ability to sense OBVIOUS sarcasm was bad, but now this...

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Basketball / Re: this dude can fly and hes not even black
« on: August 29, 2012, 03:59:55 am »
Quote from: hyperdunk1 on April 20, 2012, 12:29:13 am
I think if my hands were bigger, I'd have better handles than aquille carr, whose 5'6 and definitely got bigger hands than me.

Quote from: hyperdunk1 on April 12, 2012, 04:14:25 am
Quick question:  I know you said you are asian in another thread, so am I.  Do you feel like you are at a disadvantage athletically speaking in comparison to an african american with the exact same physique as you?

Quote from: hyperdunk1 on August 28, 2012, 01:59:13 pm
I'll say it again, avg black and avg white trains just as hard, black guy will see better results most of the time.


Quote from: hyperdunk1 on July 17, 2012, 06:44:03 pm
Some people's calves are so low with very short achilles tendon.  Some people's calves (especially certain african americans with certain physiques) are so high that you almost don't see them.  Their calves are almost the same width as their ankles.  It seems like these type of people can leap out of the gym naturally.  Is this true? and why?

If you hate yourself so much, why train?  Just quit, it's easier.  You're like 27 and you haven't done shit anyways.  You aren't athletic and with your mindset, I doubt you ever will be.

Why the fuck do you come here anyways?

Is it cause you love bitching at the world for being an Asian?
Is it cause you are trying to a set an internet forum record of most negged posts of all time?

You are clearly more knowledgeable than everyone else on here, so there is no point of you being here.  I'd also love to never have to see another thread started by you with the stupidest questions ever, or another race-related sympathy post.



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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« on: August 27, 2012, 03:05:30 am »
Quote from: scoobychau on August 27, 2012, 12:55:15 am

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Thanks acole14 for still visiting and supporting, The taiwan dunker is more or less like the trainer here.  He focus on using diet to get himself to 10% body fat and dunked.  I am trying to get a much cleaner diet now,  he send me a few sample diet plan as well as his own diet plan which i will attempt to adjust in similar direction.  

Basically, he suggested to in carb only in the morning, lunch and dinner will be lot of protein and vagge with lot of mix nut snack (6 meal a day).   So I will try to change my Subway lunch to a subway salad and cut down on my Chinese rice intake.

As for planning after finishing boin in 2 weeks time.  I am going back to squat as well as 40 min cardio 3-4 time a week for the sake of fat burn.  As he suggested.  M W F Lift heavy, T R S 40 min cardio.

During Lifting day, I will for sure squat my ass off, and hopefully i can do squat jump as well.  

I really appreciated you and especially guys like lancests & raptor (which had been around since TVS and TV) for visiting and giving me advices.  It might not like i am taking advice at times, but believe me, I am not a moron...I might be stubborn at times... but I always have open mind about listening/learning  (which might be a reason why I am Boinging now)


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You never take advice, stop saying it MIGHT seem like it.

You are a moron and you are stubborn (when it comes to your athletic training and being a member of this forum)

There's a difference between having an open mind, and giving every single stupid jump program out there a "try" before you judge it.  Especially when everyone on here has told you how stupid it is to do that, and when you yourself on the inside probably knows the programs are stupid too.  On the inside I'm sure you realize that if you had just listened and followed the advice given on here, you will be jumping higher at this point in time, possibly even dunking.

40 min cardio for the sake of fat burn?  Really man?

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: Hyper-extended knee, rehab tips?
« on: August 25, 2012, 01:02:42 pm »
Mid to end range, when the leg is curled.

Like when I would practice the 40yd dash, in the starting position I get my left foot out in front and it's in a tense curled position so that bothered it too.  After about 2-3 sprints, and some stretching of that area (basically doing the legs straight, touch toes stretch but leaning my weight to the left) the pain would subside for the rest of the workout.

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: Push Press and Basketball
« on: August 24, 2012, 08:27:31 pm »
Ohhh yeah I know exactly what you're talking about.  I'm one of those people who thought that was hypertrophy as well lol.  

So as long as I'm not going on a restrictive diet/keeping protein high enough and just doing any chest exercise like flyes or even push ups here and there, my chest should stay looking exactly the same, while I continue to increase upper body/bench press strength with push presses.

And even if I decide to ignore the loss of muscle tonus, I can just basically just get it back and get my chest looking back to how it is now whenever I want by just doing direct chest exercises again for a couple sessions.  right?

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: Jard's Highlighttape
« on: August 24, 2012, 06:42:37 pm »
Wow!  Always cool to see fellow adarq.org members playing ball.  You got nice game man, seems like you have no weaknesses...

Good shit and good luck on getting recruited to the places you wanna go!!!

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: Push Press and Basketball
« on: August 24, 2012, 06:29:34 pm »
Quote from: T0ddday on August 24, 2012, 04:25:11 pm
Quote from: D4 on August 24, 2012, 01:42:37 am

T0ddday, when you didn't bench for a year and just did those other exercises instead, I know your bench strength went up after utilizing the exercise again for 3 weeks, but in the mean time did your chest atrophy?

If anyone else has experience with this, I'd like to hear it too.

I'm happy with my current physique, and upper-body wise I want to focus on getting my push press way up since I want carryover to basketball and it'll also get my bench up anyways, so I'm considering taking out the bench press since I'm already pretty decent at it, but not at the cost of chest atrophy.

If it did, it wasn't obvious.  Everyone's different but generally I tend to hold on to muscle mass pretty easily.  However, I would bet you wouldn't see much muscle atrophy from dropping bench unless you are either extremely muscular right now OR you also embark on a very restrictive diet. 

What you will see when dropping an exercise like that is a loss of muscle tonus which will happen pretty quickly but also resume pretty soon as you start targeting the muscle group again.  I don't know your training history, but I would wager that most of the people on this msg board (though there are exceptions), have added (or lost) very little actual muscle mass as a result of their weight training and incorrectly assume gains or losses in strength, muscle tone, and body weight are the direct result of significant gains or loss of muscle tissue.

This may be a stupid question, but what do you mean by loss of muscle tonus exactly?

Maybe I should just do some 3x5 Bench once a week after my push presses

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: The PR's/PB's, videos, pictures, and daily achievements thread
« on: August 24, 2012, 06:15:34 pm »
275lb full ATG squat @ 151~152lb BW = ~1.8xBW  :personal-record: :personal-record:

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: Hyper-extended knee, rehab tips?
« on: August 24, 2012, 06:12:35 pm »
Quote from: D4 on August 02, 2012, 06:14:26 pm

However, since like 1-2 weeks ago, when I put my knee in a certain angle sometimes, I feel like tightness and very slight pain in between the LCL and PCL on my left knee.  It's not the side of the knee, it's not the back, it's in the halfway point between the two.  

Hey Lance, so this has not gone away and I tend to feel it most when I'm doing leg curls..  Do you think since it's been some time since my hyper-extension injury and it's completely healed and I did plenty of leg curls (high and low reps) since, I can stop doing leg curls now if I'm still training my hamstrings with SL box squats?

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: Push Press and Basketball
« on: August 24, 2012, 01:42:37 am »
Quote from: T0ddday on August 20, 2012, 12:41:34 pm
Quote from: LanceSTS on August 19, 2012, 10:47:34 pm

If you can standing press 225, you can bench 315 without even trying... and yea, I would rather have someone with a huge push press than a big bench.  What was wrong is the notion that a 315 bench is common among basketball players, thats not true at all.

Agreed.  Might take a few weeks of training to realize the strength though...  I had a max bench of 275 and didn't bench for about a year and instead just did power snatches, push jerks, and standing DB push presses...  I went back to benching and hit 295x3 after three weeks.

Question, what do you think of standing DB push presses?  Previously shoulder injuries make barbell push presses difficult, I can do heavy jerks and presses but have trouble doing multiple reps with significant weight because the negative is painful.  Dropping the bar is fine but requires it be cleaned to shoulder level again...  Do you think standing DB push presses with moderate weight and repetitions is sufficient if paired with some heavy singles in push jerk or push press?

T0ddday, when you didn't bench for a year and just did those other exercises instead, I know your bench strength went up after utilizing the exercise again for 3 weeks, but in the mean time did your chest atrophy?

If anyone else has experience with this, I'd like to hear it too.

I'm happy with my current physique, and upper-body wise I want to focus on getting my push press way up since I want carryover to basketball and it'll also get my bench up anyways, so I'm considering taking out the bench press since I'm already pretty decent at it, but not at the cost of chest atrophy.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Scooby 2011 Journal
« on: August 23, 2012, 02:42:28 pm »
Yeah what Raptor said.  Doesn't matter if you're doing circuit training or whatever.  It's not some magical routine that burns fat.  It's gonna depend on your diet. 

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Basketball / Re: this dude can fly and hes not even black
« on: August 22, 2012, 07:32:22 pm »
Quote from: hyperdunk1 on August 22, 2012, 05:04:47 pm
Quote from: acole14 on August 21, 2012, 08:52:47 pm
1) There's a dunks thread for this stuff

2) Who cares if he's black or white? Plenty of sick jumpers are white. It shouldn't be that amazing really.

bc have longer legs and shorter torso, hence more leverage on take off, also more a bit more testosterone and levels of fast twitch fiber

You are a fucking loser.

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