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Utilization of Strength.

Man, what a kickass role I'm on today.


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Functional Strength.

Dan Inosanto, another of Bruce Lee's close friends and himself an instructor in Lee's art, adds that Lee was only interested in strength that could readily be converted to power. "I remember once Bruce and I were walking along the beach in Santa Monica, out by where the 'Dungeon' (an old-time bodybuilding gym) used to be," recalls Inosanto, "when all of a sudden this big, huge bodybuilder came walking out of the Dungeon and I said to Bruce, 'Man, look at the arms on that guy!' I'll never forget Bruce's reaction, he said 'Yeah, he's big -- but is he powerful? Can he use that extra muscle efficiently?"


Power, according to Lee, lay in an individual's ability to use the strength developed in the gym quickly and efficiently; in other words, power was the measure of how quickly and effectively one could summon and coordinate strength for "real-world" purposes. On this basis, according to those who worked out with Lee from time to time such as martial arts actor Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee -- pound for pound-- might well have been one of the most powerful men in the world.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Barefoot training
« on: August 25, 2011, 04:04:35 pm »
Adidas launch new barefoot shoe.


Just came across this today...


Original Link: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/breaking-news/adidas-launches-barefoot-shoe-the-adipure-trainer/story-e6frg90f-1226120952457



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIGCGJzFHR0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIGCGJzFHR0</a>

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Honestly, no.  I don't see much similarity to a high jumper jumping off one leg and the other video.  High jumpers have to turn their body cause they flop!  You do realize that right?.

I just find it interesting that both high jumpers & T-DUB plant around
btw michael jordan tongue wag is very relevant.. good point. that's what this whole thread reminds me of, michael jordan's tongue wag....... someone sees it, thinks it's some kind of incredible missing ingredient, then goes on a tear implementing it/trying to convince others to implement it. tyson gay sticks out his tongue while sprinting 100m's, maybe sprinters could improve by mimicking his tongue wag, which he obviously got from jordan.

it all makes 0 sense.

It's all to do with oral facial drivers which are said to be generators of hidden strength.


Original Link: http://www.google.com/search?q=oral+facial+drivers+hidden+strength&hl=en&biw=990&bih=577&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs=

Tyson Gay also does something with his eyes.

I have also discovered a link between wide nostrils & speed which I don't think nobody else has discovered.

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so if t-dub has a 51" vert, and stefan holm has a 51" vert, or area-51 has a 51" vert, or even adam linkenauger has a 50" vert, why the god damn fuck do you keep idolizing t-dub compared to everyone else?.

If they all have 51' verts fair enough but I still believe T-DUB possesses the better athleticism & elastic energy which separates him from the rest. Like I have said, how he goes about doing this 'I believe' lays a lot to his technique/the elastic energy being produced/developed just from dunkin' & his single-minded dedication, more than genetics.


if he has the most "elasticated" (lmfao) tendons on the planet, then why do you keep referring to his style of plant? if t-dub is in fact more like a kangaroo, why does his plant matter at all? his plant becomes a biproduct of his genetic advantages, not the other way around.. his plant didn't create his freak-like tendons..... his freak-like tendons created his plant.

anyway.. t-dub is hardly the most reactive athlete on the planet, single leg jumper's with similar verts will ALWAYS win that battle.. t-dub is freaky strong & very reactive, sure, but "most elastic athlete on the planet" ? not even close.

I keep referring to his style of plant because it puts a greater coil/torque through the whole body. I'm witness to this having included it my own program & it will stay, I believe it is that good.

I disagree with you saying, 'his plant didn't create his freak-like tendons' & it's just genetics. Tendons have to be developed like everything else.

T-DUB IMO is certainly up there as one of the most elastic athletes on the planet.



High Jump World Record 2.45 - Javier Sotomayor.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM24YXSpidU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM24YXSpidU</a>



Does anyone else see the similarities between T-DUB & Sotomayor's plant/coil/angles?.

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Totally horrible comparison.

+1.


Who would you say has the most elasticated Achilles tendons out of T-DUB & Conley? & reason why?, comparing that vid to the Rucker Park NYC dunk vid.

Including sprinters, long/triple jumpers, I think T-DUB could have the most elasticated Achilles tendons on the planet?. Doesn't mean he's going to run faster/jump farther but the way he springs off the ground is just incredible IMO. But it's a full body thing.

I whole heartedly believe it's more to do with his technique & dedication than anything else IMO, including any secondary exercise outside of dunkin'/even genetics. Just using your own bodyweight/forces can be enough resistance to produce awesome results, just add in great technique which complies with OP quote.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui2_VKFnaF8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui2_VKFnaF8</a>









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This comes from an advertisement not scientific study:

www.somatics.de/FascialFitnessTerraRosa.pdf


The advertisement is pretty dishonest as well.  Kram and Dawson's paper is about whether hopping is favourable in arid climates, their paper never mentions the word catapult, nor do they mention gazelles.   The statement is quite silly because most mammals (including humans) can jump farther than can be explained by just the force of muscular contraction.  This is why we jump father after an approach, we are able to store energy in our tendons.  This is why plyometric training in addition to strength training allows people to jump higher. 

If you believe that this tdubs athlete is able to jump high because of some technical prowess that is fine.  But to claim he is able to twist his myosin filaments and then severely misquote an advertisement  which severely misquotes some scientific papers is unnecessary and does a disservice to those who read your posts. 

It also makes people refuse to consider the possibility that this athletes take off mechanics allow him to store more energy from his approach, something which is entirely possible.  However, I will tell you that I have extensively studied long jump mechanics and even written papers concerning the long jump and that Carl Lewis and Mike Powell both jump close to 30 feet and have drastically different takeoff mechanics and takeoff velocity.  So even if this athlete uses this take off to achieve his high leap, it does not suggest at all that this is the only way to do it.


The source states; 'Here the tendons and the fascia of the legs are tensioned like elastic bands. The release of this stored energy is what makes the amazing hops possible'. Its exactly what it says on the paper, a catapult mechanism. It's the exact same principal.

They didn't need to mention gazelles, they could have refereed to deer, proghorns, cheetahs, puma's etc which use the exact same mechanism. There all in the same boat as kangaroo's.

Can anyone give me the low down on T-DUBS plyometric & strength training program?. For me to add any exercise into my program, it has to be GREAT. The most recent addition is T-DUBS planting technique for 8-12 continuous reps (core compressed). Man, it's a killer. It's my core that takes the brunt but the plant/then change of direction/to plant etc has to be hitting the Achilles just the same.

I think comparing long jump to dunkin' is like apples & oranges. I think long jump is more horizontal force based where as dunkin' to be more vertical force. There is also the consideration of the run ups too.

Picture Carl Lewis at 27MPH at the free throw line trying to dunk.  Even if he pulled off the dunk, he could really end up hurting himself.






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The Catapult Mechanism: Elastic Recoil of Fascial Tissues.


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Kangaroos can hop much farther and faster than can be explained by the force of the contraction of their leg muscles. Under closer scrutiny, scientists discovered that a spring -like action is behind the unique ability: the so-called catapult mechanism (Kram & Dawson 1998). Here the tendons and the fascia of the legs are tensioned like elastic bands. The release of this stored energy is what makes the amazing hops possible. Hardy surprising, scientist thereafter found the same mechanism is also used by gazelles. These animals are also capable of per-forming impressive leaping as well as running, though their musculature is not especially powerful. On the contrary, gazelles are generally considered to be rather delicate, making the springy ease of their incredible jumps all the more interesting.


Fascia expresses a significant increased elastic storage capacity (how much is still not truly known).

How is it developed?.

One way is preparatory counter-movement. "Multidirectional movements, with slight changes in angle are utilized; this might include sideways or diagonal movement variations as well as spiralling rotations. With this method, large areas of the fascial network are simultaneously involved".


Now I can truly see why T-DUBS movement is a perfect dunkin' exercise. It's full body.


(added to OP).




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there's no way Pavel wrote that idiotic paragraph.

Guyton (1984) speculated that once the actin and myosin filaments have maximally overlapped, more tension can be realized by spiralling of the myosin filaments. A change in the length of the pitch of the actin helix may also boost force production during a very intense muscular contraction (Verkhoshansky & Siff, 1996). Both processes can be compared to twisting a rubber band after it has fully contracted.

(added to OP).

Let me just clear things up for everyone.

Quote actually isn't made up; it was taken by Pavel Tsatsouline in a magazine publication.

TDub's ability to do this is aided greatly by the fact that he is HEAVILY pigeon-toed.  This "elastic winding" is especially prominent in athlete's whose knees come close together in a bilateral plant.

The pigeon-toed comment is interesting. I never noticed him being pigeon-toed in the slo-mo. What happens with guys who are pigeon-toed is they create more torsion/tension in the body. It builds more energy.

Could that be a result of all the twisting from dunkin' or is it genetic?.


What SV seems to confuse as elastic winding is TDub's ability to convert horizontal momentum into vertical momentum.  He twists his body in such a way that he may approach the rim at nearly full speed without losing momentum into his plant.  This has nothing to do with elastic winding and is simply instinctual preservation of momentum.

I disagree.

There is a huge elastic element to T-DUB's dunkin'. It's not purely based on momentum. One look at the Rucker Park NYC dunk vid at 0:23 will tell you that.

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relax with dumb posts like this. im literally ready to ban you over this dumb post..

area51 can't replicate t-dub's athleticism? either can golden child, young hollywood, air up there, etc?

Then delete the thread that belongs in Hall of Fame. I got everything I need from it. I have probably discovered the best exercise for developing full body elasticity (still thinking how to make it even better).

You only have to perform his technique to feel how much torque your putting through the body. IT WORKS MAN. Wouldn't say it, wouldn't include it in my program if not.











Next time you watch the Rucker Park NYC dunk vid, think about the yellow rod in the vid.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNvi1kdo4Wg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNvi1kdo4Wg</a>



^^^
That twist stresses the CNS into better recruitment since there will be an increased tension generated by the twist.





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on the way down



Perfect exercise.




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Look guys.

Read over the thread, then watch this vid.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhhk4ikhs9w" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhhk4ikhs9w</a>



You will realise why ^ all these dunkers can't jump/replicate T-DUB's athleticism (refer to quote). There has to be a coiling/twisting/spiralling element of the myosin filaments to generate great elastic energy.

It's all in his technique.


2:12.

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Tdub is just turning to get the ball i'm pretty sure.

Your just not appreciating T-DUBS technique & what is actually taking place.

Regardless of where he runs up from, he is using the same coiling technique on literally every dunk he does.

Find a little space, compress the abs real tight, perform T-DUBS technique (you don't even have too jump to feel just how significant this technique is at developing the core. That development has to be carrying over to his Achilles tendons & all his fascia.

There has to be a coiling/twisting/spiralling element of the myosin filaments to generate great elastic energy.

You want jump like T-DUB, you have to be elastic.
 







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Adarq:

The third image in the first set of stills you posted Tdub's feet are about 80 degrees + of basket, spine is at a similar angle.
$ICK3NIN.V3ND3TTA -

You are incorrect about one thing in you last post: the angle at which TDUB is planted in relation to the rim should not matter.

Of course it matters.

T-DUB is spiralling his myosin filaments so much more than someone who dunks feet facing rim (straight on). What happens?, <<< Compress core, run up, plant, coil, store, uncoil. It's the best core exercise I know. It crunches the core (if you do it right). The crunch is being produced in every other place. Bam.


Also I'd imagine this coiling exercise would feel a lot like a simple 2 punch in boxing, where your back fist rotates across your entire body, and beginners would definitely feel this in your core.

THe motion is quite similar, squat back, rotate left, feet are in an RL plant right foot back, punch with right.

T-DUB with much greater forward momentum is putting far more torque/generating more force through his body than what could ever be achieved from a punch in boxing with the boxer being much more stationary.

Apples & oranges.


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I can't fathom jumping like that, nor do I think if I started jumping like that I'd have a 50inch vert, but I have rotated counter-clockwise with my RL plants before but didn't jump much higher than regular rotation.


Do you believe the first time you coil/uncoil like T-DUB & use his technique that you will suddenly start jumping 50', lol.

It's elastic strength & just like everything else, it has to be developed over time & dedicated too.


I'm currently doing my own little thing with T-DUBS technique (compress/coil/plant/uncoil agility repeats, 12 reps per set. Trust me, if I have included it in my program it has to be beneficial. This IMO is the best core exercise out there. The coil I'm experiencing through my core has to be similar what is going through my Achilles tendons.


It doesn't matter how many exercises Air alert, BoingVERT, MadBounce etc etc come out with, NO EXERCISE in terms of generating full body elastic energy can compete with T-DUBS planting technique. NONE. You hearin' me adarqui?.  (refer to quote).  It's a combination of high bodyweight forces mixed with spiralling of the myosin filaments.






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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: August 20, 2011, 09:09:16 pm »
Lucky guy having so many other courts in nice places.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: What makes an "elite" athlete"
« on: August 19, 2011, 05:23:21 pm »
For me the elite athlete is the one person who dominates there event/competition during there era. It's only a very select group. Just turning pro like thousands of other athletes/sportsmen isn't enough to be considered elite IMO. Michael Jordon, Michael Johnson, Michael Phelps etc enter the elite bracket but not every NBA player, track athlete or swimmer for example.

T-DUB is elite for his event/speciality.

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