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I meant breaths per minute. Less confounders than trying to pair with steps since cadence changes with pace (for me at least), and also counting two things at once is hard.

Check out the article i linked in my previous post, it's a nice overview on using respiration rate as an effort proxy.

17
20-06-2025

Run -- 7.11k, 50:52

Notes

Lol slow. 124 HR avg at least. Slept like 5 hours tops each of the last two nights. Too hot at night to sleep well.

18
migraine started friday night and is just now starting to dissipate close to midday on sunday. not an auspicious first week for my 50-miler build.

update: or second week, obviously. woke up this morning without a headache for the first time since last friday. will go for a cautious run later, probably inside because it's hot today and that just seems like asking for trouble.

btw @joe, i watched a short from will o'connor where he talks about how easy it is for a run with hills on it to slip out of zone 2 when you're climbing, even if HR doesn't change. apparently, if you're aerobically fit enough, you can buffer the extra costs of running uphill for a little while (i guess longer and/or steeper the fitter you are) without it affecting HR. an argument in your favor against relying on HR as the primary metric. seems like you can kinda fudge a power-based workout with just the watch but to do it right you have to get a stryd pod. oh boy, more gear... :uhhhfacepalm: i'll probably stick with HR as the main thing and use pace for intervals.

gotta be honest that read like bs and i went to watch and i still think that's bs. first of all, stryd/power meters for running stink. secondly, if you're buffering that stuff, then like so what it's probably not really creating extra fatigue? and third, like who cares if it's a "zone 2" run (love this interview for debunking the zone 2 hype: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6DhfMJH84E -- gist, in terms of adaptation, doesn't really matter that much what zone you're in, just aim for whatever combination let's you accumulate the most training).

way i think easy runs is that hr is great for setting an upper bound, b/c if you're below some arbitrary fairly low number (i use 70%, which probably puts me in zone 1 rather than 2 anyway), you're defo going easy enough. pace fine too but hr does a better job of keeping me honest (you can see how slow i go, when the same calculators i use for interval paces are saying i should be doing like 5:50 or whatever for easy runs), and i have to take my easy runs very easy so i can do 3 sessions a week.

and yeah, for intervals, i like pace as the like framework, and then hr as the progression metric, kind of like sticking with the same weight/reps and having more reps in reserve over time.

I read this article the other day: https://modeltheruncom.wpcomstaging.com/2025/05/17/respiration-rate-1/

that left me feeling very intrigued by respiration rate as a metric. have been counting breaths during some sessions to try and build an internal sense of where various thresholds sit in relation to each other. might try out the step test this weekend on a treadmill if i feel like hiding from the sun for the saturday session.

Also, wishing you the best with the migraines!

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19-06-25

Run --
w/u
3 x (10' on / 1' off) [4:33, 4:35, 4:34]
c/d

Total - 10.23k, 53:45

Notes

HR 161/164/164. Higher than last week but cats woke me up at like 5am so, unusually, I had a coffee before this run. Also it's just gross hot lately, even if mornings are cooler.

Respiration Rate in last minute of each rep was like 36-38.

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18-06-25

Run -- 7.88k, 52:43

Notes

Surprisingly sore from last night's quick lift. Triceps especially like 8/10.

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17-06-25

AM

Run --
w/u
5 x (6' on / 1' off) [4:31, 4:26, 4:26, 4:26, 4:29]
c/d

Total -- 9.02k, 47:53

PM

1a DB Pullover 32.5 x lots, fewer
1b Chin BW x lots, fewer

2a DB Fly 17.5 x lots, fewer
2b Dip BW x lots, fewer
DB Inc 17.5 x lots

Notes

Took me like 15 mins longer than normal to get out the door this morning. Just so tired. I genuinely yawned during the 3rd rep. Yawning with 160 HR lmao.

Max HR 167, avg for reps 155 (so 159 for last two). So I guess good on that front, just not enough mental drive to give more. Short one as well b/c of that. Still, got the work in.

ETA: https://www.strava.com/pros/105366367?num_entries=20#interval?interval=202509&interval_type=week&chart_type=miles&year_offset=0

winner of 2024 chi/2025 boston does a lot of his easy runs at 6:00 k pace, lmao

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16-06-25

Run -- 7.60k, 50:00

Notes

124 avg hr  :headbang:

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15-06-25

Run -- 14.26k, 1:36:02

Notes

Avg HR 131, warm but not crazy, so pretty comfortable. Doing this day after 10x3'+lifting makes it a good 'durability'/muscular workout.

59.9k in the end lol, if i'd realised i'd've run 100m further for the arbitrary goal

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14-06-25

Run --
w/u
10 x (3' on / 1' off) [avg for reps: pace - 4:16; HR - 162; max HR - 173]
c/d

Total -- 13.04k, 1:11:50

Lift --

1A Chinup
30 x 10, 7, 6 + BW x 7

1B Dip
30 x 7, 5
15 x 8 + BW x 7

RDL
140 x 7, 5

2A Airplane
16 x 10, 8

2B Copenhagen Plank
5 x 9, 7

Reverse Nordic
10 x 7 + BW x 5

3A Wide-Grip Barbell Row
90 x 10, 8 [i didn't suddenly get way stronger, just realised I'd been writing 80 instead of 90 all along, lol]

3B Deficit Decline Pushup
BW x 19, 13

Lateral Raise
17.5 x 14+9+7+5+4

Notes

~23C, humid and windy today, compared with ~13 and chill last week. Probably should have called an audible and done this somewhere shady/sheltered from wind instead of on the track again, but it just feels nice to do this sesh on the track

Extended the w/u and c/d a bit on the run to make up for missed miles midweek. Dunno if that's sensible but was feeling good. Felt the knee thing on like 2 total strides across the whole workout, but early in the warmup.

Feel like there's a good chance this ends up being more mileage than tmrw's time-on-feet-defined long-run, lol.

A++ strong recommendation for airplanes and copenhagens.

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13-06-25

Run -- 8.10k, 57:56

Notes

Sadly no longer cool even for first thing in AM runs. 7 min kms to keep HR sub 130 lmao.

Felt it a little yesterday when walking home, a couples time on the run and then a couple times while playing with my cats in the evening, just like a weird "gunked up" feeling around the right popliteus. Have had issues with that ages ago. Hopefully it clears up on its own.

Last day I did no exercise was 20 April!

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12-06-25

Run --
w/u
3 x (10' on / 1' off) [4:29, 4:31, 4:31]
c/d

9.87k, 52:22

Notes

Solid. HR avg 163 for last 2 reps, peaking like 167, so well under control. Same HR, faster on a hotter day (tho dry instead of rain). Probs just explained by being comparatively rested this time but still, it's nice. 29 C tmrw apparently, oof.

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11-06-25

1A Chinup
30x9 + 15x6 + BWx idk lost count but like 6 sets

1B Dip
20x8 + 15x5 + BWx idk lost count but like 6 sets

Lateral
17.5 x idk a bunch of sets + 5x20

Notes

Just did sets of dips and chins until I couldn't do 3 full reps of chins. Took a while.

First day without a run since 12 May (and 28 April the last before that). Just needed a lie-in this morning. Then decided to prioritise lifting this evening. Sesh tmrw I guess.

28
09-06-25

Run -- 7.10k, 49:17

10-06-25

Run -- 7.61k, 42:09

Notes

Yesterday fine, HR never got above 130. Today's run was grim. Had Dr's appt in morning so ran home. Bag was fuller/heavier than expected and just felt crappy. Ran like tempo-effort for like ~5.5k in the middle since I knew I wasn't getting a subT in today. Was pretty warm and I just felt sweaty and gross, and it took ages to cool down/get relaxed after I got home.

Glad to get it in, but not so fun lol.

29
08-06-25

Run -- 12.53k, 1:22:12

Notes

66k, 6:37 time on feet this week. Nice.

 Mixing units, but that's the first 40 mile week I've ever done. No deliberate effort to extend things, just got a bit more efficient with morning routine so those runs had the space to be a bit longer. No plans to extend things either, for a while, just settle here and see what happens.

Maybe I'll take the long run out to 90-100 mins now and then. I'm nominally training for a half in October (though really just training to be faster generally without any peaking in mind), so makes sense for LR to be at least as long as I am aiming to do that in (1:25-1:30 I guess  I'm thinking atm, since those map to ~18:30-19:30 5k, which I think given my training/current rate of improvement is a reasonable range to expect to be in).

Noticed that sometimes my HR Strap disconnects from watch if I wait to long to start. Wonder if that happened at the 5k (was like 20 mins milling around between arriving and starting the race, and I don't remember if I checked to re-pair the strap) and if so if the HR reading I got from that race is just stride-locked nonsense. Coros app a bit opaque when it comes to telling you whether a device was connected for a give neffort, as far as I can tell so far.

ETA: Average 3450 kcal last week and that was enough to maintain weight. That said, even with cereal, nut butter, smoothies, and biscuits that's just a lot of effort and a bit of a struggle digestion-wise. Might just go with the grace of god and return to appetite-based eating and just ride this where it takes me. Shouldn't lose too much muscle given I'm still keeping up a reasonable effort lifting wise.

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- run 37:46, 6.79km, strides 4 x 100m w/ walking rest
strides in 16-17s. again, pondering the gap between me and cole hocker is just hilarious. my stride pace today translates to a 4:30 mile.

or elite marathoners running 17.5 seconds 100s for 2 hours  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

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