http://wgfforum.llsint.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=62 I have been up all last night and finally finished reading EVERY single post in the thread and I have to admit it was probably the most interesting and thought provoking thread I have ever read in my life. First of all, I dont for one minute buy into all the magical claims of the isos and blah blah blah. The intriguing part to was if they could really be used as such a good recovery method that many of the posters were talking about. I have read about the "extreme stretches" as used in DC training, Parillo, etc. and it seems that they might have similar properties. The one thing that no one mentioned in this thread was the possibility of hyperplasia occuring from the stretched positions. I realize the extreme stretches differ alot from what the Schroeder guys are claiming the isos do, but seem very similar in SOME of the positions. Another confusing part to me was why not reach times congruent with hypertrophy/strength protocols, then add load? I mean that would seem to make the iso much more effective from a strength OR a stretching/ shock to the whatever the hell they think they are shocking that is eliciting these awesome hormonal and neural changes they are claiming. We all know that an isometric done at the weakest joint angle carries over to the stronger joint angles as well, so wouldnt this make perfect sense to do shorter duration/ heavier loaded isos once a baseline level of competence has been reached? I also would have liked to have heard more from RJ as he seemed to be responding well to them as far as what type of strength increases and speed gains he may have made. I know he said he felt better recovery but that could easily be from the similarity to the pnf stretches if not much other gains were made. If so I would really like to hear about them.