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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: August 23, 2016, 08:44:32 am »
wb vag!!!  :highfive:



20 days is awesome, where are you going?
Sorry for belayed reply. I was all around Greece, couple of seaside mainland places and couple of islands. It is too easy for us in the summer here and it is too good to consider going somewhere else, everything is reachable with a very cheap 30 minutes flight and even if you are not up to that there is always an awesome beach withing 1-2 hours drive, wherever you live.

Aaaaand, i'm back. No training at all those days, except from an extreme ( for my standards ) amount of walking the last 10 days at the islands ( mobile says 4-5 km per day ).

As we say here when coming back from holidays 'may we have a good winter'.

Man.  I miss the Mediterranean... I wanna visit Greece... Next summer I am.  That's it.  Seeya next year vag. 

This year I'm going to Japan... Anybody got any very advice for Japan?

dno. i've never been outside the US. :/  :ninja:

Well... You basically live in Cuba so there is that... Florida sucks.  But south Florida is cool and culturally interesting...

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Sports Discussion / Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« on: August 23, 2016, 08:43:10 am »
About medal table normalization:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2016/08/21/rio-2016-alternate-medal-table-how-countries-rank-when-we-adjust/

Good article.  It's silly to compare just the population of countries and medals because of wild cards and qualifying and maximal number of athletes that can go...

It's also silly to talk about medal count when they are not really distributed across sport or ability... There was a lot of talent in the men's basketball competition - 1 gold medal was awarded.  However 10 were awarded for sailing.  34 for swimming different strokes at different distances!  Only 20 medals for running events despite the fact that humans are clearly land mammals...

Seems they high gdp countries have the advantage of inflating the number of medals in sports that cost money and nobody cares about!

This article is a good attempt but it makes the mistake of defining caring about by watching it at the olympics... Olympic ratings have more to do with a terrible job by nbc and novelty that actual sport popularity... Sure people watch gymnastics more in the olympics than soccer... Cause they already watch soccer the rest of their entire life! 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/which-countries-medal-in-the-sports-that-people-care-about/

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Sports Discussion / Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« on: August 22, 2016, 04:35:29 pm »
centrowitz won gold in the 1500m. 3 min is superhuman speed in the 5k lol. I think the last time he ran that in the eugene diamond league he was winning ahead of the kenyans in the steeple chase and after last hurdle a few metres ahead. stumbled and fell and came third, so this would be a good feeling for him.

Sorry... I meant the 1500m.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: August 22, 2016, 01:04:58 pm »
20 days is awesome, where are you going?
Sorry for belayed reply. I was all around Greece, couple of seaside mainland places and couple of islands. It is too easy for us in the summer here and it is too good to consider going somewhere else, everything is reachable with a very cheap 30 minutes flight and even if you are not up to that there is always an awesome beach withing 1-2 hours drive, wherever you live.

Aaaaand, i'm back. No training at all those days, except from an extreme ( for my standards ) amount of walking the last 10 days at the islands ( mobile says 4-5 km per day ).

As we say here when coming back from holidays 'may we have a good winter'.

Man.  I miss the Mediterranean... I wanna visit Greece... Next summer I am.  That's it.  Seeya next year vag. 

This year I'm going to Japan... Anybody got any very advice for Japan?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: August 22, 2016, 01:02:57 pm »
ya 34 now..

:highfive:

i'm now entering 'age vs vertical' territory.. :highfive: vag

Best age-vs-vertical era is yours, around 35. Old enough to get respect ( not that much deserved tbh, people seem very impressed from 35+yo  jumpers but it ain't that difficult ), young enough to make gains.

Happy bday!  :almostascoolasnyancat:

So true about age.  Awhile I was playing ball and it turned into an impromptu dunk contest and me and a kid were going at it - I could land windmills and he couldn't so I was pretty much the winner... After we were talking and he asked if I was in college (he was 22 - I look young but not that young) and I told him I finished college almost 10 years ago...  He asked me how old I was and I said 31 and he said "OMG!!!! You must have absolutely flown in your younger days!!!"

I wasn't sure if I should feel insulted... Didn't like being called old but then again... No.  I landed my first windmill cleanly at age 31!  My first legit 45" jumps were at 31... Sure I sprinted faster in my twenties but jump wise I never put it together until I got older...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: August 22, 2016, 12:57:19 pm »

need to safely get back to 225 x 45+ high rep half squatting, like in 2012.

I put gizmo's juke from ~5 years ago into its own video. it just looks so crazy in regular speed:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKCUy78Kai8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKCUy78Kai8</a>




So what's the point of super high rep squat? Isn't it just endurance training at that point?

Also that juke is soo quick and convincing, that's exactly what I need to be able to do to play O-line next year. My dog usually runs more curve-like patterns (maybe because of higher BW?)

I could never get someone to bite that hard on one step. I guess it has to be extremely quick and the rest of your body really has to look like you committing in order to sell it. No idea how you can step so quickly and also commit your body and still be able to reverse that momentum so quickly in the other direction

Yeah you will never ever ever be able to juke like that.  None of us will.  But then again that is a dog - it's a million times more explosive and it's on four legs...  Four legged mechanics are completely different - walking and running become two different things...

Humans juke with athletic ability but moreso wizardry (skill) and sleight of body... I was training a 15 year old basketball prospect.   Terrible athlete.  But crazy range.  6'3 145.  Such a good player.  His hesitation and change of direction was incredible - he could fully commit his torso and pull it back and had tons of hands tricks (i.e. Putting his hand on the back of your leg or body to pull by ever so slightly).  The first step ability of a basketball player is hardly a function of athleticism -  it's the second step.   I could guard the kid by shuffling my feet (kind a lock down defender when I wanna be) but every move or change of direction he did made space for him - I just used recovery speed so he couldn't turn the corner... 

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Sports Discussion / Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« on: August 21, 2016, 06:31:48 pm »
ya .. only way to beat farah is to push him hard the whole race, I imagine.. they should have done that in the 10k and a bit more in the 5k.

Chilemo's final kick, yup.




damn Galen Rupp is in the top 3 of the marathon @ 1h:45 in .. mile 21.

Yeah I really like that about distance running... It's so tactical!  Centrowitz got gold in 3:50 for the 5k.  That's a good time for a high schooler... His PR is 3:30... The Algerian who got second has run 3:23... Crazy that they ran that slow...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: August 21, 2016, 04:09:16 pm »
The thing with LBSS though, in terms of quality jump sessions, is he does have alot of them. He knows when to perform ME jumps and when to backoff dunk attempts and go back to ME jumps etc. So he gets in alot of good quality when he's not down-shifting due to some knee aches etc. I'd easily say LBSS understands his body & how it is effected by training, better than scoob. He also doesn't veer off into major tangents like scoob does, and this is mostly because of how the previous point. He's also been following some solid programming/advice for several months :F Scoob takes advice from all angles and blends alot of it together. The one thing i'm glad he is doing lately is getting back to squatting heavy.


Forgot to reply to this before but this is such a great point everyone should read it multiple times!  The progress LBSS has made isn't necessarily because they guy he listens to is any good (me) but because he follows one set of instructions and downshifts advice and programming... 

This is basically the key to progress... Too many people treat training like making a salad or a pizza - you can't just throw some of this or that in and see how it tastes...

No coach is perfect and some coaches are better than others... No programming is perfect but the best results come from following one coach and one plan to get results...  Follow the plan and if you don't like the results of the coach/plan then get a new coach and follow his plan.  Do not modify instructions UP only DOWN.  If your coach says to do 30 ME jumps and your knees hurt then don't listen to him!  Downshift. Do 10.  Or do zero.  Downshift for your body... But if your feeling it that day don't do 60 ME jumps and then complain about how the workout the next day was too hard...

This is a really frustrating thing I get all the time with people I train...  I will train them and get them on a good program and they aren't making much gains and then I talk to them and they say "Oh yeah every Tuesday/Thurs I have been doing 100 vertimax jumps, and running 2 miles on the beach in the sand with a weight vest".   When I tell them this is stupid they have the same excuse "Well person X online who is way better at dunking than you (and therefore knows more I guess) swears by the vertimax and person Y who is faster than you said nothing got him faster than running on soft sand surfaces to build up his tendons".   

That's all well and good. Person X and Y may be better athletes than I ever was and may be better at coaching and than I ever will be...  I'm not the best.  I wouldn't have a problem with them soliciting person X and getting a coaching and training programming from that person instead of myself...  Person X's coaching may be 100x better than mine...  But I guarantee even if that's the case, my training program is still far better than my training program + piece of person X's training tools + a piece of person Y's training tools...  Scooby gets advice from so many talented people...  He gets advice on body composition from Kadour Ziani who is a legend... But Ziani doesn't squat...  He is also extremely flexible... He may be a legend but a one piece of his formula mixed with a bunch of different formulas (that may also be winning formulas) still won't be any good...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: August 21, 2016, 03:56:12 pm »

lots of coding today.. got page views migrating over now too, so that we don't lose our page views on threads etc.. hehe.

just thought this looks cool.. obviously need to format things a bit better & make the date sexier, but dno, looks cool:



oh also.. i've got the forum imported several times on my local environment.. so several times * 111,000 posts and such. haha. developing locally mostly because the migration stuff is intense, runs faster locally. Hopefully some time in the near future I can pop this thing up onto the server and have people check it out. I'd like to get google authentication working before that though.. right now you can only log in via github. Need google + github.

I just want to take a moment to say how awesome it is to have the forum's most active poster, and the forum moderator, the web designer and the backend developer all be the same person.  Don't know of another forum like it.  Pretty amazing.

If there was one thing that I think would elevate the forum to new levels is some type of video logging archiving... Like some way to tag youtube links so I could click on LBSS's journal and see max effort 30'' vertical jumps, max effort 33'' vertical jumps a few years later, and max effort 37'' vertical jumps currently...  As of now video updates are really cool but if we could see progress without scrolling through pages and pages of journals that would be amazing...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: August 21, 2016, 03:51:17 pm »
I love all those tricks. They're amazing. But they're staying firmly in the toolbox! I wanna see how far i can with just basics. For example right now im not using creatine. Just simple dieting and training hard. Once ive gotten somewhere i feel is decent i will employ the tricks .. but i dont think i am using them right now. When i say a refeed it deosnt mean ive been restricting carbs especially a lot otherwise .. it just means i eat MORE carbs after or during heavy training days. i say heavy to mean active not necessarily weights related. so on a day i lift weights, run sprints, maybe dunk etc i will eat more carbs. That's not a refeed as such in the context of a cyclical lowcarb diet. But im abusing the terminology all the same so i apologise for the confusion...

Ehhh... Well the level of "tricks" I described was pretty maximal...  But say I described a 10/10 bodyweight/diet manipulation protocol for peaking... I'll admit your not there... But, my point is that your at a 5/10 which is still too high for long term progress...   

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Right now im getting in shape and adding mass to my body and also getting leaner ... so ive got a good thing going.

really hoping sprints will help me though..

If your truly simultaneously doing those things then you are just a natural beast.  Not saying it's impossible... Just saying at your current level (your no longer a beginner) it's hard to imagine...  I do see you repeatedly failing on adding weight to your squat - you don't think a restrictive diet is holding you back here? 

That said...  I think you should do one of two things... If your pretty busy in life...  Keep at what your doing...  IMO weekend warriors or people who can't train as often need to be on the most restrictive of diets and they can still progress with limited training although it will be slow...

However, if you have the free time I think you are ready for what I call "training camp transformation".   This is what you should do if you want to add in sprinting in earnest.   Basically... Up the work to more than you think you can handle - overreach to a ridiculous degree on all movements that are not extremely reactive AND up that calories.  For a lean athlete like yourself calories are pretty much steroids if you work hard enough to deserve them...  Add in sprint volume, lifting frequency, etc while adding calories and you won't gain fat and will become a beast... It does take time out your day but if your at a point in life where you can do this or have an upcoming point in life where this is possible you won't regret blasting for 4-8 weeks at ridiculous volume...  Basically, I would describe your athleticism like a skinny high school football player who is starting college football the USA.   Seeing what happens when those kids go through summer workouts and get to add college food ad libitum is pretty amazing... Come in at 6'3 ~170 and come out at 6'3 ~185 and jumping higher, running faster, being way stronger...  You could do this but it would involve training 1-2 times a day at pretty high intensity...

Also... At least in the states women REALLY seem to prefer 6'3 190 over 6'3 170...  First level of body discrimination for women is height (short guys don't get love) and second is density (skinny dudes struggle)...  So that might help you in other aspects of life....  Although, despite the happiness I would get seeing you post about your success with the ladies... It's about 1% of what I would get if you would post your first windmill dunk... So yeah forget that... Women will probably distract you anyway.  Carry on.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: August 21, 2016, 03:34:53 pm »

* did my horizontal pulling single arm to really focus on getting full ROM. it made the exercise a lot easier. did 4 plates easily. i'm pulling stronger than most guys who bench a lot of weight. my upperbody push has been left behind but i don't worry about it. 185-225lb close grip bench is as much as il rep out. been back to bench because the push up setup just takes too much time and not available sometimes.

4x45lb one arm horizontal pulling
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_JMSsNsQHM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_JMSsNsQHM</a>

Lol, yeah not really surprising that you can out pull big benchers when your back has morphed into that of an NFL linebacker.  Good god.  I get that you let your self gain a little weight so when you diet down to dunk you don't look like a skinny twig...  Somehow you have only put on 15 lbs and your back and arms look ridiculously huge.  It's just one angle and not the best video to judge body comp... But it looks like you have ridiculous back development, 17'' arms and still pretty low bodyfat... I'd say you have more than enough mass to diet down without fears of looking skinny..

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Sports Discussion / Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« on: August 21, 2016, 12:56:42 am »
the 5k final was NUTS.. Farah gets gold as expected. Chelimo gets silver, but then live on TV as they are interviewing him, they tell him he's been DQ'd.. he was like WTF.. then Lagat, who finished 6th, jumps to 3rd because 2 other runners DQ'd.. finally, Chelimo is reinstated as 2nd, and Lagat gets 4th.

crazy chain of events.



biggest shock was Centrowitz winning gold in 1500m.. damn.

Centrowitz!!!! Mixed people kill it!!! Wow.  Won't be a appreciated but its huge!!!

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Sports Discussion / Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« on: August 20, 2016, 07:16:33 pm »
Wat the fuk  :pissed: :rant:, I cannot reiterate how shocking it was to witness this I really feel for this guy. The final gold medal match in the karioki (dont hate me for the spelling) in taekwondo lutallo muhammad vs cisse, lutallo was in the lead and was going to win the gold medal until 1 second left of the entire match, cisse makes a kick to the head because muhammad went for the attack also instead of defending and gets kicked in the head, which is 3 points and cisse wins the gold. om fukin days. sorry for the profanity but it was insanely close and you could see how distraught lutallo was in his interview. 1 SECOND LEFT. All he had to do was defend and then a kick comes you dont see coming and bang finished.

The relays went as always, US got disqualified as they sometimes usually mess up somewhere. But glad powell got to run and win gold too, GB not that good especially they had lane 1, so they have tighter turns.

also a wave of robberies in boxing has been occurring, it just follows the sport everywhere.

Also Todday, I think you mean lemaitre and gemili, I also think they both deserve a medal.

but mostly taken back by the taekwondo, 1 sec left lol, anything can change. But he made history still but doesnt take the fact away he was 1 sec away from being olympic champion.  :uhhhfacepalm:

Lol no I mean Martina and Gemili who got 4th and 5th!

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Sports Discussion / Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« on: August 19, 2016, 07:17:00 pm »
Thanks for the mention todday  :p, will try and run with someone I find on the track, he may not be training just let him warm up and then run, maybe he will let me run once with him and then he will get back to his business lol, but alot of the times it is empty.

As for the 200m final, I was suprised bolt was the only one who ran sub 20, and noone else, must be what todday was talking about how the other people in the race affects our race in someway. but i feel gutted for gemili, who was that close to winning a medal for gb in the 200m. But congrats to letmaitre.

Man... Gemili and Martina... I am usually pretty competitive but in this case I was just like damn can we give them both a medal??

Yeah you should be able to find track people to run with... For the most part if you ask a sprinter if you can run with him and you don't ask too many questions most won't mind - just yourself out there...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: August 19, 2016, 05:08:45 am »
Had a revealation today.  Went to ball calm and unaroused. Normally im walking wired up and jacked up on stimulants and dunking energy. Diid not do try any dunk attempts. I know that just gets me more and more wiired up. It's so bad that when im in that state ii cant even do fine motor stuff like shoot a jumpshot. If i shoot one then i will overcompensate and airball or miss the top of the backboard lol. Basketball is a game i shud play completely sedatively  (spell check says nah but this shud be a word) .. ive lways this problem.. before a big game like a final or a comp i will be so wired up i cant sleep etc. it's just bad news.

noticed some track olympians being completely relaxed before their races.. which was suprising considering they sometimes have athletes getting popped for doing stims priior. i guess ii know what i have to do now. leave dunking for either after the game or another day. game day shud be about playing well, dunks unless submax take away from skill

Find whatever works for you. More often than not I have a red bull before a game. Caffeine doesn't really affect me that much but it's become part of my routine and doesn't affect me negatively. I also get into my zone/zen state/flow when I'm slightly pissed at the other team and play much better as a result.

If being calm works for you then do it. I disagree on the dunking thing though. I think the main benefit of dunking when we play is the intimidation factor for the other team. I don't see too many guys here in Aus outside of the real high levels dunking before or during games and it certainly puts the thought in the other teams mind that you are better than the average player. Whether or not that is actually true, perception becomes reality.

I agree with Coges that planning to never dunk is unfortunate because there is nothing like an in-game dunk...

However...  you are on to something...

You clearly have learned some tricks as far as dunking and bodyweight and stimulation... As you are stating the mindset of "peak jumping" and "peak basketball skill" do not go together.  Not at all. 

You are calling it submax which I don't agree with - consider it sub optimal.  If you want to be the best basketball player you can be you have to get used to the fact that you are going to have to settle into a suboptimal amount of vertical that you play basketball with...

One of your tricks is carb-cycling and mini-starvation.  That's fine and good but a basketball player should never ever use the word refeed!  When Ray Allen became one of the best shooters in the world he maintained a bodyweight that was in a range of 2-3 pounds.  You are not doing this at all!   

That's fine and good for peaking for competition.  What you are doing is done by many high jumpers and long jumpers - they cut carbs and hardly eat and even take diuretics like calcium citrate that don't show up on drug screens for important competitions.  Dropping 10 pounds in a week can be the difference between jumping 7'5 and jumping 7'8.   This is what you have realized.

 But high jumpers don't constantly do this like you do because it's a terrible state to be in all the time to make long term gains.   Figure out what you have learned for peaking and use it sparingly when you get to a dunk contest - cut carbs, cut water, stim out, use hypergravity and jump as high as you can.  But you can't exist in that state if you want to be good at basketball.  I have done similar things, cut weight, used the weight vest, taken it off and been able to get ridiculous in game dunks at my height.... They are very impressive.. But if I play full court ball with competition in this state I basically run the fast break, play defense, rebound and cut to the hoop for dunks...  I don't try to get pretty or do stepbacks and even reverse layups become hard because I don't know my jumping ability well enough to time things...

 You can either relegate yourself to being that athletic role player or dedicate yourself to basketball which requires a stable bodyweight (you are saved by not having muscle so you have little glycogen and your refeeds are only a few pounds - if I cut and refeed it can be 20lbs over night...) and a stable level of stimulation...  In the long term not being glycogen depleted is what is going to help you lose the female body fat stores, build muscle and become a better player...

That's not to say you can't dunk in this state... It's just suboptimal... You will still get moments where you are bouncy and feel great in games, they just will have to come to you and won't always be there.  This is a choice you have to make - be the best at basketball and make long term gains or keep worrying about cutting weight and peaking vertical constantly. 

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