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Title: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: adarqui on January 08, 2011, 07:03:55 pm
seems like a large amount of people on this forum have tried air alert and suffered knee issues..

if you have positive or negative feedback, please post.. it'll help others make a better decision before trying it.

pc
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: JelloPuddinPup on January 08, 2011, 07:13:10 pm
I tried it with a friend for a few weeks when I was younger (14 or so). Didn't have any problems with it personally. But I didn't see much of any improvement with it either. This was when I was playing ball all day every day so honestly, I was already in about as good a shape as I could've been at that age without proper weightlifting. I stopped because I didn't see the point of it at the time and that was that.
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: vag on January 08, 2011, 07:15:27 pm
I did air alert 3. The whole shit , 16 weeks , back in May 2007 being ~32,5 years old.
Didn't gain a single inch, probably because my strength was very low back then , so ultra high volume plyos ( that AA is ) was useless.
I didn't have the slightest knee bugging during it , but then again i never had the slightest knee bugging in my entire life.

I think people without training background doing AA is pure waste of time. Dangerous for those with sensitive knees , just useless for all the others.

As for people with training background , they don't care for AA! :D

truth =  :ibsquatting: +  :ibsquatting: +  :ibsquatting: =  :ibjumping:
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: adarqui on January 08, 2011, 08:29:09 pm
I tried it with a friend for a few weeks when I was younger (14 or so). Didn't have any problems with it personally. But I didn't see much of any improvement with it either. This was when I was playing ball all day every day so honestly, I was already in about as good a shape as I could've been at that age without proper weightlifting. I stopped because I didn't see the point of it at the time and that was that.

ya i wouldn't imagine you would see much problems with only the first few weeks of the program, it (the volume) gets insane towards the end.

thanks for the post tho!

pc
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: adarqui on January 08, 2011, 08:30:08 pm
I did air alert 3. The whole shit , 16 weeks , back in May 2007 being ~32,5 years old.
Didn't gain a single inch, probably because my strength was very low back then , so ultra high volume plyos ( that AA is ) was useless.
I didn't have the slightest knee bugging during it , but then again i never had the slightest knee bugging in my entire life.

I think people without training background doing AA is pure waste of time. Dangerous for those with sensitive knees , just useless for all the others.

As for people with training background , they don't care for AA! :D

truth =  :ibsquatting: +  :ibsquatting: +  :ibsquatting: =  :ibjumping:

yup, guys like us need strength increase primarily.
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: Guga on February 04, 2011, 09:31:53 pm
long long time ago, i did aa2, the first 4 weeks. After the first one I got 1" for real, then nothing else. But at that time I wasnt lifting and my vert was 20" so I guess anything that I could do back then would mean an increase in my vert.
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: BMully on February 06, 2011, 05:11:29 pm
 1 question I have, What if one is squatting 2.2xBW(my goal) and does AA? will it be helpful then? Does AA mention the strenght base needed before you undertake it? Or, Does AA even mention the lifting part of the equation

Truth =  :ibsquatting: +  :ibjumping: + :ibsquatting: +  :ibjumping: + :ibsquatting:=  :wowthatwasnutswtf: :ibjumping: :wowthatwasnutswtf:

YOU NEED STRENGTH + PLYO  =   :wowthatwasnutswtf: :ibjumping: :wowthatwasnutswtf:
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: XxZxX on March 10, 2011, 05:48:20 pm
tried air alert in 1996. Weaken my ankle and result in a torn right ankle ligaments.
Jumping everyday over 1000 times is not fun at all.... DAMN AIR ALERT
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: bozadoza on March 27, 2011, 04:17:36 pm
Tried aa3, did 10 weeks, gained 2 inches, there wasnt any kind of knee injuries or any other injury, i've seen results in 7th week, and i stopped doing it because of high risk of getting injured.
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: Dreyth on April 19, 2011, 10:30:37 pm
I think I got like 3 inches off aa2 in like 7 weeks but I was probably just hitting a growth spurt and didn't realize I was gaining height, not vert.
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: aiir on April 20, 2011, 07:46:16 pm
I think I got like 3 inches off aa2 in like 7 weeks but I was probably just hitting a growth spurt and didn't realize I was gaining height, not vert.

lol
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: thewon888 on April 29, 2011, 08:44:47 pm
Air alert is garbage imo. It's training you for muscle endurance and not for maximum vert. You'll gain inches only if you have little to no training and it is definitely dangerous with repetitions being so high, especially if not done on shock absorbing surfaces.
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: thechee514 on July 08, 2011, 10:40:45 pm
Air alert is garbage imo. It's training you for muscle endurance and not for maximum vert. You'll gain inches only if you have little to no training and it is definitely dangerous with repetitions being so high, especially if not done on shock absorbing surfaces.

Yeah, that's true. I actually did the entire Air Alert Program back in 8th grade. My vert did increase by 5 inches but I'm sure if I did something like VJB or Jump Manual I would be able to have gotten better results. I seriously recommend anyone who plans on buying Air Alert not to buy it. After doing it, I have some knee problems... I healed them over the summer twice, with VJB and Become a Freak--my knee problems were mainly due to weak hamstrings/quadriceps. Anyways, don't do Air Alert, if I could go back I would not have done Air Alert. My left knee cracks everytime I bend it, does anyone know what to do with that?
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: enserv54 on July 09, 2011, 12:51:17 am
crack? u mean clicked or what? mine just click at lateral side everytime i bend or squat. most probably due to arthritis. anyway, u should go for a medical checkup or something if its bothering you.
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: TheSituation on July 09, 2011, 01:02:23 am
The first 7-8 weeks of Air Alert is a great beginner program, especially for uncoordinated white kids.
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: thechee514 on July 09, 2011, 01:06:29 am
crack? u mean clicked or what? mine just click at lateral side everytime i bend or squat. most probably due to arthritis. anyway, u should go for a medical checkup or something if its bothering you.

Yeah, clicked.. I doubt it's arthritis.... I'm only fucking 16..
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: enserv54 on July 09, 2011, 02:16:39 am
16? thats the same age my knee starts clicking. does it hurt now?
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: Raptor on July 09, 2011, 04:18:41 am
The first 7-8 weeks of Air Alert is a great beginner program, especially for uncoordinated white kids.

See, you're making the creators of AA lose their black clientele. Oh wait, they didn't have money to begin with!
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: thechee514 on July 09, 2011, 07:15:24 am
16? thats the same age my knee starts clicking. does it hurt now?

Yeah, it's hurting already.. D:
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: enserv54 on July 09, 2011, 02:27:52 pm
16? thats the same age my knee starts clicking. does it hurt now?

Yeah, it's hurting already.. D:


http://www.aurorahealthcare.org/yourhealth/healthgate/getcontent.asp?URLhealthgate=%2222575.html%22

look up under the symptom subsection. as for me, i tested positive for all of the symptoms listed. i only experience pain at the outer side and back of the knee, never the inner. :(

i never tried AA before but when i was young i used to jump and do plyos with my left leg without proper base strength.  :uhhhfacepalm:
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: thechee514 on July 09, 2011, 10:45:17 pm
16? thats the same age my knee starts clicking. does it hurt now?

Yeah, it's hurting already.. D:


http://www.aurorahealthcare.org/yourhealth/healthgate/getcontent.asp?URLhealthgate=%2222575.html%22

look up under the symptom subsection. as for me, i tested positive for all of the symptoms listed. i only experience pain at the outer side and back of the knee, never the inner. :(

i never tried AA before but when i was young i used to jump and do plyos with my left leg without proper base strength.  :uhhhfacepalm:

Hey Man, thanks for the link but I don't have most of the symptoms and my knee doesn't hurt now when I extend it, it's like it comes and it goes. HAha
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: Jumper D on July 22, 2011, 12:37:02 pm
listen,
I'm 5'11"-6'0"
160-165lbs 7'8" reach

air alert 4 worked for me when i did it 2 yrs ago.
i started at 15 inches, i then gained 9 inches after 4 weeks of air alert training and waiting 2 weeks off for recovery before testing results.  had to stop for reasons like college workload and time. i'm at 24 inch vert now off of two legs., i was also doing strength weight training at the time and that helped alot i think.

my quickness was elevated noticeably after i began playing at the college rec center in sum pickup games. so was my endurance in the game and energy level. being in south texas, we dont see alot of people with giant height's. its rare to see someone who is over 6'2-6'3. i had no probs with my knees. I'm 33 now turning 34 in late dec.

getting back at it now this July 2011, so i am gonna keep weight training too. still got the 24" vert so i've kept the inches i gained before. so i started airalert this morning all the way from week 1 low reps.
as of this july i'm back squatting 235 x8 and can leg press 280lbs maybe a bit more. i jog 1.5 miles every 3 days. i do sprints on saturday's. i workout on a 3-day weekly rotation. i take creatine, vitamins, protein supps, BCAA's,  try to eat a minimum of 3000 calories a day since i'm trying to gain muscle mass for the lady's. my body is naturally an ectomorph and resembles that of Adarq's except im handsome. :)

 
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: LBSS on July 22, 2011, 01:20:05 pm
listen,
I'm 5'11"-6'0"
160-165lbs 7'8" reach

air alert 4 worked for me when i did it 2 yrs ago.
i started at 15 inches, i then gained 9 inches after 4 weeks of air alert training and waiting 2 weeks off for recovery before testing results.  had to stop for reasons like college workload and time. i'm at 24 inch vert now off of two legs., i was also doing strength weight training at the time and that helped alot i think.

my quickness was elevated noticeably after i began playing at the college rec center in sum pickup games. so was my endurance in the game and energy level. being in south texas, we dont see alot of people with giant height's. its rare to see someone who is over 6'2-6'3. i had no probs with my knees. I'm 33 now turning 34 in late dec.

getting back at it now this July 2011, so i am gonna keep weight training too. still got the 24" vert so i've kept the inches i gained before. so i started airalert this morning all the way from week 1 low reps.
as of this july i'm back squatting 235 x8 and can leg press 280lbs maybe a bit more. i jog 1.5 miles every 3 days. i do sprints on saturday's. i workout on a 3-day weekly rotation. i take creatine, vitamins, protein supps, BCAA's,  try to eat a minimum of 3000 calories a day since i'm trying to gain muscle mass for the lady's. my body is naturally an ectomorph and resembles that of Adarq's except im handsome. :)

 

so what?
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: Jumper D on July 22, 2011, 03:32:09 pm
LBSS, there is no "so what?"

Adarq opened up this thread and asked for +/- feedback. i gave my feedback. i can only guess that what u ment, since u didnt clarify, is that u want to hear more about my experience?! i dunno what else to tell u man. i guess i can give sum safety advice.

----Safety----
if air alert or any other excercises cause pain or soreness in the knee area use
1. ice on the knees
2. Bengay type muscle rub

always stretch prior, between sets, and post workout.

a good idea for during workouts is to use knee sleeves/braces  and/or  jumper knee straps/bands which are designed to improve patellar tracking and elevation by applying mild pressure on the tendon below the kneecap. The tubular insert provides uniform pressure

GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: TheSituation on July 22, 2011, 03:42:23 pm
LBSS, there is no "so what?"

Adarq opened up this thread and asked for +/- feedback. i gave my feedback. i can only guess that what u ment, since u didnt clarify, is that u want to hear more about my experience?! i dunno what else to tell u man. i guess i can give sum safety advice.

----Safety----
if air alert or any other excercises cause pain or soreness in the knee area use
1. ice on the knees
2. Bengay type muscle rub

always stretch prior, between sets, and post workout.

a good idea for during workouts is to use knee sleeves/braces  and/or  jumper knee straps/bands which are designed to improve patellar tracking and elevation by applying mild pressure on the tendon below the kneecap. The tubular insert provides uniform pressure

GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!

Or just don't do it when the volume gets ridiculous so you don't have to use things that won't help at all. If you have jumper's knee none of that shit is gonna help.
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: Raptor on July 22, 2011, 05:25:26 pm
LBSS, there is no "so what?"

Adarq opened up this thread and asked for +/- feedback. i gave my feedback. i can only guess that what u ment, since u didnt clarify, is that u want to hear more about my experience?! i dunno what else to tell u man. i guess i can give sum safety advice.

----Safety----
if air alert or any other excercises cause pain or soreness in the knee area use
1. ice on the knees
2. Bengay type muscle rub

always stretch prior, between sets, and post workout.

a good idea for during workouts is to use knee sleeves/braces  and/or  jumper knee straps/bands which are designed to improve patellar tracking and elevation by applying mild pressure on the tendon below the kneecap. The tubular insert provides uniform pressure

GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!

Or just don't do it when the volume gets ridiculous so you don't have to use things that won't help at all. If you have jumper's knee none of that shit is gonna help.

You can upgrade to a Alex Maroko program as soon as you hit that point.
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: Jumper D on July 22, 2011, 05:59:33 pm
for the previous 2 posters before this post here:

yes i agree that for sum people who cant handle the load u shouldnt do it any further. I dont know who Moroko is or what his program is about, and i aint interested in another program right now, personally speaking. i'm 33 and i wont be going pro or semi pro or joining any competitions for dunking or and1 type teams ever, so im just trying to get to 32 inches to have sum fun at the park before my kids grow older and i wont have as much time to play ball anymore.

and personally speaking again i have never broken or fractures or torn or pulled anything in my bones or tendons.... as i mentioned earlier in my posts above. i dont use the jumper bands or knee braces or bengay, but there may be older gentlemen who require such articles of gear in their training efforts, which is why i brought it up. and i see many basketball players of all levels using the gear i listed, so i dont know what u ment about that it wont help u. is it mandatory to use the gear only if u have an ailment or injury, i like to think someone can use it as preventive maintanence.
 i'll come back in 12 weeks to post my results.

@Adarqui --- hey man i left feedback on my experience on air alert  and the first 3-4 replies to my post have been very strange and weird for this being a feedback thread. its weird how u opened this thread, i post my experience, and then people seem to almost immediately go against my experiences, and imp articular my posts. i cant imagine myself saying "hey let me browse the air alert thread for someone to bash or taunt or put down, or offer non-constructive criticism too". its funny to me because before i posted noone was talking, then i post and they talk, what i took as disrespect. are they really just sitting there waiting for someone to post so they can comment? weird.....
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: adarqui on July 22, 2011, 11:35:59 pm
@Adarqui --- hey man i left feedback on my experience on air alert  and the first 3-4 replies to my post have been very strange and weird for this being a feedback thread. its weird how u opened this thread, i post my experience, and then people seem to almost immediately go against my experiences, and imp articular my posts. i cant imagine myself saying "hey let me browse the air alert thread for someone to bash or taunt or put down, or offer non-constructive criticism too". its funny to me because before i posted noone was talking, then i post and they talk, what i took as disrespect. are they really just sitting there waiting for someone to post so they can comment? weird.....

well thanks for posting your experience with air alert, but their point is this:

your vert was _______________15 inches_________________.. you could have done plenty of different programs or simply jumping alot + getting in great shape to gain inches.. adding 9 inches to a 15 inch vert, and maintaining those inches over the years, doesn't imply that the program "is effective".. any running vert of sub-30 can pretty much be improved by getting in shape and jumping.. getting to 40+ requires intensive resistance training.. most people who claim gains with air alert, are claiming improvements from "horrible" starting points or at a very young age where natural maturation occurs... if you had said you went from 32" RVJ to 41" RVJ using air alert, and posted vids etc, then people would be surprised but very interested.


"getting back at it now this July 2011, so i am gonna keep weight training too. still got the 24" vert so i've kept the inches i gained before. so i started airalert this morning all the way from week 1 low reps. "

having not trained "properly", then just getting back into it, and maintaining "the gains by air alert", just indicates pure maturation etc.. if air alert added 9, and REALLY ADDED 9, you'd go back to near 15 by detraining (not using air alert).

pC

Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: Jumper D on July 23, 2011, 08:49:02 am
thanks for schooling me, i sincerely appreciate it. i had no clue it was a beginner's improvement which i had experienced. since im just starting up again i'm gonna make sure my weight training includes more focused routines like explosive squats and what not. if i had the cash for another recommended jump program i'd use it. all i got is air alert and weightlifting for now.
by the way, i've seen ALL your youtube vids, very inspiring. thnx
one
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: Raptor on July 23, 2011, 09:26:08 am
Why do people keep on wasting MONEY on programs when really, there's nothing that complicated. Heck, you could go with the Jack M split here on this site and be happy with your future dunks.
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: D4 on July 23, 2011, 11:54:31 am
thanks for schooling me, i sincerely appreciate it. i had no clue it was a beginner's improvement which i had experienced. since im just starting up again i'm gonna make sure my weight training includes more focused routines like explosive squats and what not. if i had the cash for another recommended jump program i'd use it. all i got is air alert and weightlifting for now.
by the way, i've seen ALL your youtube vids, very inspiring. thnx
one

You don't need to spend money on a jump program bro.  There can not be 1 specific broad program that is sold to the public that works, because everyone has different needs.  Air Alert fuckin sucks anyways.  Throw that shit away.  Weight train/do a lot of jumping/after some good strength gains do some plyo's/ Stay in good shape. End.
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: Jumper D on July 23, 2011, 06:41:50 pm
i've learned so much on this site (Adarq's) that i now know i dont have to spend cash on a program. i wont be throwing air alert away (paid money for it), but i will be making a workout regimen based on this site's knowledge and youtube.

Get da fudge up der man!
Title: Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
Post by: Flip on September 03, 2011, 05:49:00 pm
ankle alert for me. did 3 years ago or smth like that. i was pretty fat back then, and gained something but only because i lost a lot of weight in those 3 months ( air alert II ) i have ankle pain after effort every single time, but i don't know if AA is to blame, anyway, waste of time..