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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2010, 08:56:19 am »
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I'm trying to find A Link's video anyways to check it out... I want to see this hand clapping!

Link me?

Also Raptor thanks for the kind words man.

I don't know you but I think I follow your channel on youtube, and I've seen you on other forums.

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2010, 09:09:17 am »
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Well I stand by what I said...

Anyway, yeah I'm on The Vertical Summit as well, the guy from Romania. You said some time ago you went through my country years back.

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2010, 09:28:08 am »
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LanceSTS said:

" [Jacob] 3. has nothing to do with track and field on any significant level, but has his own method of teaching the penultimate step (if you watch the video and have a brain you can see when he is not looking at his notes that he has no idea what he is talking about).   :

1. I was a jumper in high school and recruited to college and competed at state, and conference levels.

More importantly...

2. I have trained Olympic high jumpers, long, and triple jumpers including the Nation record holder of India for High Jump and Triple Jump. I also trained their coaching staff per invitation at Sports Authority of India.  The picture... that you said I "shopped" is me after training the Olympic and Powerlifting teams on how to use chains and bands as well as setting up a training to maximize explosive ability.  This was all in person and I have testimonials and pictures with me training and teaching their Olympic development staff.



3. Dude.. to just come out and say I "plagiarized" is pretty rough... could you show me the video you think I used so I could see where you are coming from?

Again I'm just trying to represent myself here...


Adarq -

"he is not looking at his notes"  -   ?????

I've taught this very technique in person 1000 times to countless athletes in several sports... I don't need notes for it... I would if I didn't know it off the top of my head.

Anyways, I'm not trying to start a fight, but I just want to be represented fairly bro.


I'm honestly just baffled at how certain "LanceSTS" that I have even seen Adam's video... Please link me, I tried to find it but can't.

I GUARANTEE I can trace back me teaching this concept before mine or Links video EVER came out.  It was in the original Jump Manual, and I taught it before I even put my program online.

Adam L.  I'm sure did not plagiarize me (although I haven't seen all his stuff on this I don't think) and he's a cool fella ... but SEVERAL people have AND I have later been accused of copying my own copycats!  Jumping for for basketball, and track is something I have been doing since highschool, in 1998.

I already see people posting material that is in my jumping form ebook... did they come up with it separately from me?  Not sure... all I now is several bits of it I have never seen ANYWHERE else - and now bits are starting to pop up.

In the end I don't fret it... we all build upon the body of knowledge and are "standing on the shoulders of giants" so to speak.  When people copy my stuff it's a compliment, and I would appreciate a shout out... but there are at least 2 programs out there that are amazingly similar to mine and came out later.  And dozens of articles I have written I have seen verbatim or paraphrased by others.

Think of how Louie, or Verk. must feel.

I'm just sayin...


« Last Edit: December 16, 2010, 10:15:36 am by Jacob Hiller »

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2010, 06:07:14 pm »
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hey man, ya if you didn't "take that info from adam linkenauger's video" then I truly apologize.


here's Adam's vid:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU0j6utv_10" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU0j6utv_10</a>


Here's your vid:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czwYS6feqEQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czwYS6feqEQ</a>


Your vid came out before adam's above, but their was another video adam put out long ago on the same stuff. You could have for sure learned all of this on your own, or under the instruction of your track & field coaches, so saying you "definitely" stole that info is dumb on my part (i think i said that not sure). I forget the timeline of events, lance/a-link know about this "drama" better than I do, as I really didn't follow it.

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2010, 06:09:53 pm »
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LanceSTS said:

" [Jacob] 3. has nothing to do with track and field on any significant level, but has his own method of teaching the penultimate step (if you watch the video and have a brain you can see when he is not looking at his notes that he has no idea what he is talking about).   :

1. I was a jumper in high school and recruited to college and competed at state, and conference levels.

More importantly...

2. I have trained Olympic high jumpers, long, and triple jumpers including the Nation record holder of India for High Jump and Triple Jump. I also trained their coaching staff per invitation at Sports Authority of India.  The picture... that you said I "shopped" is me after training the Olympic and Powerlifting teams on how to use chains and bands as well as setting up a training to maximize explosive ability.  This was all in person and I have testimonials and pictures with me training and teaching their Olympic development staff.

lol i was kidding, didn't know if it was shopped or not, it just has a shopped feel with a big white dude in between two indian dudes.

lookin` big.




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3. Dude.. to just come out and say I "plagiarized" is pretty rough... could you show me the video you think I used so I could see where you are coming from?

Again I'm just trying to represent myself here...


Adarq -

"he is not looking at his notes"  -   ?????

I've taught this very technique in person 1000 times to countless athletes in several sports... I don't need notes for it... I would if I didn't know it off the top of my head.

Anyways, I'm not trying to start a fight, but I just want to be represented fairly bro.


I'm honestly just baffled at how certain "LanceSTS" that I have even seen Adam's video... Please link me, I tried to find it but can't.

I GUARANTEE I can trace back me teaching this concept before mine or Links video EVER came out.  It was in the original Jump Manual, and I taught it before I even put my program online.

Adam L.  I'm sure did not plagiarize me (although I haven't seen all his stuff on this I don't think) and he's a cool fella ... but SEVERAL people have AND I have later been accused of copying my own copycats!  Jumping for for basketball, and track is something I have been doing since highschool, in 1998.

I already see people posting material that is in my jumping form ebook... did they come up with it separately from me?  Not sure... all I now is several bits of it I have never seen ANYWHERE else - and now bits are starting to pop up.

In the end I don't fret it... we all build upon the body of knowledge and are "standing on the shoulders of giants" so to speak.  When people copy my stuff it's a compliment, and I would appreciate a shout out... but there are at least 2 programs out there that are amazingly similar to mine and came out later.  And dozens of articles I have written I have seen verbatim or paraphrased by others.

Think of how Louie, or Verk. must feel.

I'm just sayin...




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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2010, 02:04:35 pm »
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Adarq - Never seen this video...

Also...

His video is dated: May 06, 2010

My first video on this was: October 07, 2008

My second video more about 1 foot jumping was: August 11, 2009

My videos on the subject were posted considerable before this one came out...

Regardless, I have seen this video, and I think we teach it our own way anyways.


I appreciate your apology.


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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2010, 06:59:10 pm »
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 I just got back in town so I didnt see this till today.

  Jacob, that video is not the one in question, adam has a video of him vlogging where he shows his particular way of teaching that step that came out before your video is.  I dont know FOR SURE that you copied it, you could have had a coach in high school who taught it EXACTLY the same way as his coach taught him, im not the judge on that one.  What i can tell you is that there are MANY different ways of teaching the penultimate step in track and field, here is one with Tom tellez, you saying that ALL coaches use the claps as a metronome in the way adam did is funny as hell to me man, I have worked with many many many track and field jumpers throughout my career and i have never seen it taught EXACTLY that way once.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eW0qMfGzb0

Either way I dont care, adam can come on here and paste the vid that in question if he wants, it was basically the same exact video you have w/ adam talking.  If you really were taught in the exact same manner and hadnt seen his prior to filming your, it was all just bad timing * (see the squatflex promotion accidental timing )  then i apologize for that.  
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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2010, 09:58:16 pm »
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I'm surprised you have never heard any other coach use clapping for as an audio clue for getting steps right in jumping events.  I've seen it not only in the states, but also in other countries.

I was also surprised at how sure you were that I had no substantial track and field background.

That I have people calling me out with such vehemence and over arching confidence is mind blowing to me.

[the not using notes part was the best ;)]

Anyways... apology accepted man. 

Can I earn 1 benefit of the doubt for next time?

BTW - Adman is a friend of mine, and we've talked about this.



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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2010, 09:59:30 pm »
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LOL - See squat flex "accidental timing...

It wasn't that my timing was an "accident" I just don't see how any timing changes how or why I promoted.

(take that question back there if you want or IM me...)

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2010, 10:00:49 pm »
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I'm watching your video, and this guy actually does sound like me... and I'm sure came up with it before me... (his age)... but I've never seen this video, and that's all beside the point.

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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2010, 10:26:21 pm »
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I did a quick search about clapping and track and field:

This guy:
Talks about using clapping for the steps in triple jump:
http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/kennebec-journal/mi_8137/is_20100530/triple-jump-art/ai_n53841939/

This one:
Talks about using the clap to help throwers get their steps right:
"Start simply by having athletes clap the rhythm of the throw"
http://ezinearticles.com/?Discus-Throw-Secrets&id=2505998

Another:
This one recommends using a clap to give an audio cue - which I have found to be common as well (for triple jump).
"You can also clap your hands as they land to give them an audio cue hearing the rhythm."
http://www.thetriplejump.com/triple-jump-drills/teaching-progression/how-to-teach-the-triple.html

Another:
This also recommends using the clap and having an audio cue for the steps:
http://www.pembinatrails.ca/program/physicaleducation/Documents/Documents%20and%20Articles/Phys%20Ed/Track%20and%20Field/Long%20Jump%20and%20Triple%20Jump%20Clinic.pdf


I think that the getting a rhythm is obviously important for jumps to help the jumper relax as well as get the proper footwork in place AND clapping just seems like the most natural way to train that rhythm.. IMO.

I'm curious how you teach the takeoff lance... might be interesting.

How do you teach the approach and takeoff?




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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2010, 10:28:28 pm »
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  I wasnt saying anything about that video being LIKE yours, the video i posted is legendary track and field coach, Tom Tellez, teaching the penultimate step, not anywhere nearly like adams vid or yours, the whole point of me pasting it was showing you that there are many differences in the methods used for teaching, adams hand claps was something he was proud of and when he linked me his vid and yours, with the date on his being earlier, it looked like it had been copied.  

  "Substantial track and field background"- looks like you triple jumped 42 feet and five inches? nice man,srsly, I respect jumpers, I have worked with alot of them.  One of the female athletes I worked with throughout college here at Sam Houston jumped 42 feet and 11 and a half inches her sr year so I know and respect what kind of triple jump that is.

"Adman is your buddy" - does he know this?  I had never watched one of your videos or seen anything about you until he url'd me the video of his way of teaching the pen step and then yours, pointing out the dates on the videos and upset about it.  

Anyway man yea, I dont care, if you did or didnt, thats your deal and Im not out to get you or anything like that, when he pointed out the videos to me I pretty much made my mind up about it on that alone so if youre not at fault there then cool, thats between you two now.
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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2010, 10:35:16 pm »
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I did a quick search about clapping and track and field:

This guy:
Talks about using clapping for the steps in triple jump:
http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/kennebec-journal/mi_8137/is_20100530/triple-jump-art/ai_n53841939/

This one:
Talks about using the clap to help throwers get their steps right:
"Start simply by having athletes clap the rhythm of the throw"
http://ezinearticles.com/?Discus-Throw-Secrets&id=2505998

Another:
This one recommends using a clap to give an audio cue - which I have found to be common as well (for triple jump).
"You can also clap your hands as they land to give them an audio cue hearing the rhythm."
http://www.thetriplejump.com/triple-jump-drills/teaching-progression/how-to-teach-the-triple.html

Another:
This also recommends using the clap and having an audio cue for the steps:
http://www.pembinatrails.ca/program/physicaleducation/Documents/Documents%20and%20Articles/Phys%20Ed/Track%20and%20Field/Long%20Jump%20and%20Triple%20Jump%20Clinic.pdf


I think that the getting a rhythm is obviously important for jumps to help the jumper relax as well as get the proper footwork in place AND clapping just seems like the most natural way to train that rhythm.. IMO.

I'm curious how you teach the takeoff lance... might be interesting.

How do you teach the approach and takeoff?





If you google "clapping and .... anything" youre gonna find some examples of it,  i am in agreement about the rythm being taught in specific ways, i have seen snapping, demos with the stride from the coaches, drumming on a table and the ground, etc., but the claps on the video was a new one for me, note that tom didnt do that either in his video.

ME- The acceleration into the jump is always important, the penultimate step will differ according to the individual characteristics of the athlete, look at how alot of the european track and field coaches are teaching the penultimate step presently, it varies greatly.  Trying to force an athlete into a pen step thats not comfortable or optimal for their individual structures, strengths, etc., will hurt them more than help them.  
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Re: Jump Manual
« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2010, 10:54:26 pm »
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 Btw jacob, if youre srsly wanting to know how I believe the penultimate step is best taught, the 1-2-3 drill is one of the single, most effective ways to get it down pat. Three step from the lip backwards, get the mark, and go.   Working from 3 and then back is a very successful method and proven effective time and time again.
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« Reply #59 on: December 19, 2010, 11:46:43 pm »
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  "Substantial track and field background"- looks like you triple jumped 42 feet and five inches? nice man,srsly, I respect jumpers, I have worked with alot of them.  One of the female athletes I worked with throughout college here at Sam Houston jumped 42 feet and 11 and a half inches her sr year so I know and respect what kind of triple jump that is.

lol - I can't tell if this is serious or not.  I'm curious where you got that number, I jumped well over that in high school... haha...
I jumped more then that in high school, really nothing to brag about my high school and college athlete days were full of unreached potential... my college jumping career was nothing special...  it wasn't until after college sports that I actually "figured things out" and started getting results to be proud about.

I communicate with Adam every now and then and actually had talked to him about this forum.

Regardless, you know me now... and from what i can tell you don't "really" have a problem with me.. I don't think, so if you have problems with me it'd be appreciated if you come to me first or at least inquire.