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Performance Area => Program Review => Topic started by: nicoodie on January 11, 2011, 10:07:26 am
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From what I'm getting, all the important people have something negative to say about every single product.
If Adarq had a product I'd just buy that and be done with it.
I need the most solid, updated product to buy for my coming summer regimen. Classify me as a beginner with a lot of heart.
Right now, Jump Manual is the most logical choice for me based on all the reviews I'm getting. I have yet to see any tangible results for VF, but the same goes for Jump Manual. Flying in Four I hear had some fast results.
So which will it be?
(Yeah I know, IRC w/ Adarq >>> all of these shits, but I want at least a program or book to read up on while Adarq's off walking his dog on Sundays)
(No VJB please. Let's not open a can of worms, I know it's the bomb and all, but if it would be those 3 up there, which one?)
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(No VJB please. Let's not open a can of worms, I know it's the bomb and all, but if it would be those 3 up there, which one?)
VJB!
Seriously , since you say you know it's the bomb , why do you exclude that option?
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(No VJB please. Let's not open a can of worms, I know it's the bomb and all, but if it would be those 3 up there, which one?)
VJB!
Seriously , since you say you know it's the bomb , why do you exclude that option?
Church!
No. Shortcuts.
Get. Used. To. It.
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http://www.adarq.org/forum/performance-training-blog/an-introductory-block/
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Read some of the reviews made by Jack Woodrup on those programs in these links:
for Jump Manual: http://www.verticaljumping.com/jump_manual.html (http://www.verticaljumping.com/jump_manual.html)
for vertFreak: http://www.verticaljumping.com/vert_freak.html (http://www.verticaljumping.com/vert_freak.html)
for Flying in Four: http://www.verticaljumping.com/flying_in_four.html (http://www.verticaljumping.com/flying_in_four.html)
I recommend VertFreak cause I like the work-outs, I'm currnetly in week 5, but it is time consuming and hard. But I believe I'll have massive gains from this product. Flying in Four is a potential scam. VJB has lots of nice information but the work-outs are a little outdated.
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Starting Strength plus jumping a lot before you lift.
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Read some of the reviews made by Jack Woodrup on those programs in these links:
for Jump Manual: http://www.verticaljumping.com/jump_manual.html (http://www.verticaljumping.com/jump_manual.html)
for vertFreak: http://www.verticaljumping.com/vert_freak.html (http://www.verticaljumping.com/vert_freak.html)
for Flying in Four: http://www.verticaljumping.com/flying_in_four.html (http://www.verticaljumping.com/flying_in_four.html)
I recommend VertFreak cause I like the work-outs, I'm currnetly in week 5, but it is time consuming and hard. But I believe I'll have massive gains from this product. Flying in Four is a potential scam. VJB has lots of nice information but the work-outs are a little outdated.
so hard work and getting stronger can get outdated???
what has the world become... :uhhhfacepalm:
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From what I'm getting, all the important people have something negative to say about every single product.
If Adarq had a product I'd just buy that and be done with it.
I need the most solid, updated product to buy for my coming summer regimen. Classify me as a beginner with a lot of heart.
Right now, Jump Manual is the most logical choice for me based on all the reviews I'm getting. I have yet to see any tangible results for VF, but the same goes for Jump Manual. Flying in Four I hear had some fast results.
So which will it be?
(Yeah I know, IRC w/ Adarq >>> all of these shits, but I want at least a program or book to read up on while Adarq's off walking his dog on Sundays)
(No VJB please. Let's not open a can of worms, I know it's the bomb and all, but if it would be those 3 up there, which one?)
My friend,
I have copies of all of these programs. What I would recommend is that you ask Lance or Andrew to program your training for specifically tailored training. This is more effective than what amounts to a static template. If you think you are going to get some "secret" information from any of these programs you are kidding yourself. One on one coaching will always be more valuable. Also, if you go with jump manual or vertfreak or flying in four you will have problems that you will not experience here. What problems you may ask? Let me break it down for you.
Jump Manual - Recommends to leg press to start. After spending time talking with Jacob he will switch you over to the squat, but seriously leg press sucks by itself if not coupled with squats.
Vertfreak - 8x100m sprints at the beginning of each workout. Grammatical errors. 0 customer support.
Flying in four - Static template, Alex Maroko was somehow invovled in this as well. Perhaps you seek to get the sweet 25" vert that Alex M. has? Dude is touching rim like no other.
If you are going to buy one of these programs I would go with Jump Manual and stick in close contact with Jacob. A static template, however, is probably not going to be ideal. I promise you, that is what you will get. You can believe me or not, but I went through this whole process. I couldn't touch the rim when I started. After lots of smart training I am now able to dunk. However, hard training will not save you by itself. I spent many months plateaued using a template. You can either plateau out on this template based system after a couple months or you can find a way to get coaching from an expert.
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Starting Strength plus jumping a lot before you lift.
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Best forum ever. Fastest and most replies I've ever seen in less than 24 hours.
(No VJB please. Let's not open a can of worms, I know it's the bomb and all, but if it would be those 3 up there, which one?)
VJB!
Seriously , since you say you know it's the bomb , why do you exclude that option?
Gah, actually the main reason I don't want to use VJB is because I'm OC when it comes to the exercises and how to them. I'd prefer the new age video libraries Jump Manual and VF seem to provide. Don't get me wrong, I really tried with YouTube and hunted down every exercise I came across, it's just that, some really don't show up and some of the forms were questionable.
I'll probably buy Jump Manual and maybe ask Adarq for help on my custom program once I've gotten some basic training off of it.
Honestly, I'm as weak as hell when jumping (as you can see from my stats in the 1st post) so I don't want to waste Adarq's time making up a program for me when I can strengthen myself up a little from a basic template before I enlist from his awesomeness.
Okay, a little kissing up there. Okay, a lot. Thanks for the info and the welcome to the forum :)
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Good idea!
Can you actually read though?
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Reading is really important. Unless you get a training video.
Oh wait, that wasn't the point.
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Good idea!
Can you actually read though?
Aww damn... :ninja:
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wtf dude! why do you ask for advice when you don't take it?
dont buy any of those programs, they are all just basic templates that anyone here could write for you.
you got enough of good advice in here, like:
Starting Strength plus jumping a lot before you lift.
http://www.adarq.org/forum/performance-training-blog/an-introductory-block/
dont ask more any more questions about which program you should get! :uhhhfacepalm:
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wtf dude! why do you ask for advice when you don't take it?
dont buy any of those programs, they are all just basic templates that anyone here could write for you.
you got enough of good advice in here, like:
Starting Strength plus jumping a lot before you lift.
http://www.adarq.org/forum/performance-training-blog/an-introductory-block/
dont ask more any more questions about which program you should get! :uhhhfacepalm:
Damn, why did you suddenly decided to make it easy? :uhhhfacepalm:
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There is really no need to get one of those programs. Most people think that a program they buy is going to have some secret exercise or set/rep scheme that is going to give them crazy gains...... not true.
Do you know what the secret is to getting vert? Getting strong (squat) and learning to display that strength quickly (explosive exercises), that's it, there's no way around it.
The hardest part is gaining strength because it takes a while, you can't get to a 2xbw squat in 4 months unless you are very gifted.
If you are weak then just focus mainly on strength right now (full squats) and do some jumping a few times a week, don't worry about the explosive exercises yet. Also make sure you are eating enough.
Btw, I've done vjb, jump manual, and programs created by adarq. Guess which one gave me the biggest gains by far and got me past plateaus.
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There is really no need to get one of those programs. Most people think that a program they buy is going to have some secret exercise or set/rep scheme that is going to give them crazy gains...... not true.
Do you know what the secret is to getting vert? Getting strong (squat) and learning to display that strength quickly (explosive exercises), that's it, there's no way around it.
The hardest part is gaining strength because it takes a while, you can't get to a 2xbw squat in 4 months unless you are very gifted.
If you are weak then just focus mainly on strength right now (full squats) and do some jumping a few times a week, don't worry about the explosive exercises yet. Also make sure you are eating enough.
Btw, I've done vjb, jump manual, and programs created by adarq. Guess which one gave me the biggest gains by far and got me past plateaus.
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btw nicoodie, you're ndee on the live chat right?
peace
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btw nicoodie, you're ndee on the live chat right?
peace
Gah, the god himself.
Nah, sorry. Haven't been on the live chat yet.
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Read some of the reviews made by Jack Woodrup on those programs in these links:
for Jump Manual: http://www.verticaljumping.com/jump_manual.html (http://www.verticaljumping.com/jump_manual.html)
for vertFreak: http://www.verticaljumping.com/vert_freak.html (http://www.verticaljumping.com/vert_freak.html)
for Flying in Four: http://www.verticaljumping.com/flying_in_four.html (http://www.verticaljumping.com/flying_in_four.html)
I recommend VertFreak cause I like the work-outs, I'm currnetly in week 5, but it is time consuming and hard. But I believe I'll have massive gains from this product. Flying in Four is a potential scam. VJB has lots of nice information but the work-outs are a little outdated.
so hard work and getting stronger can get outdated???
what has the world become... :uhhhfacepalm:
so hard work and getting stronger can get outdated???
I'm sorry but I didn't say something like that and I didn't mean what you stated. I mean the combination of work-outs are not that up to date and there are more effective combinations of work-outs out there. Besides, VJB was made around 2004 (?).
Doing VJB needs hard work especially the bodyweight work-out.
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VJB juts helps you identify your weakness and then shows you how to train it in a good way -> better than any of the other programs
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VJB juts helps you identify your weakness and then shows you how to train it in a good way -> better than any of the other programs
I like VJB because it has tons of good information but I read on KellyB's article that the test that involves Depth Jump to assess plyometric ability may not be so good after all. There are some people who lack the coordination to do depth jump at first so that test could not be reliable. Did you hear that there will be VJB 2.0? What do you think is in that?
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From what I'm getting, all the important people have something negative to say about every single product.
If Adarq had a product I'd just buy that and be done with it.
I need the most solid, updated product to buy for my coming summer regimen. Classify me as a beginner with a lot of heart.
Right now, Jump Manual is the most logical choice for me based on all the reviews I'm getting. I have yet to see any tangible results for VF, but the same goes for Jump Manual. Flying in Four I hear had some fast results.
So which will it be?
(Yeah I know, IRC w/ Adarq >>> all of these shits, but I want at least a program or book to read up on while Adarq's off walking his dog on Sundays)
(No VJB please. Let's not open a can of worms, I know it's the bomb and all, but if it would be those 3 up there, which one?)
My friend,
I have copies of all of these programs. What I would recommend is that you ask Lance or Andrew to program your training for specifically tailored training. This is more effective than what amounts to a static template. If you think you are going to get some "secret" information from any of these programs you are kidding yourself. One on one coaching will always be more valuable. Also, if you go with jump manual or vertfreak or flying in four you will have problems that you will not experience here. What problems you may ask? Let me break it down for you.
Jump Manual - Recommends to leg press to start. After spending time talking with Jacob he will switch you over to the squat, but seriously leg press sucks by itself if not coupled with squats.
Vertfreak - 8x100m sprints at the beginning of each workout. Grammatical errors. 0 customer support.
Flying in four - Static template, Alex Maroko was somehow invovled in this as well. Perhaps you seek to get the sweet 25" vert that Alex M. has? Dude is touching rim like no other.
If you are going to buy one of these programs I would go with Jump Manual and stick in close contact with Jacob. A static template, however, is probably not going to be ideal. I promise you, that is what you will get. You can believe me or not, but I went through this whole process. I couldn't touch the rim when I started. After lots of smart training I am now able to dunk. However, hard training will not save you by itself. I spent many months plateaued using a template. You can either plateau out on this template based system after a couple months or you can find a way to get coaching from an expert.
Vertfreak - 8x100m sprints at the beginning of each workout. Grammatical errors. 0 customer support.
I don't know about you but those Sprints are fun! In my experience, Adam quickly answers my queries in twitter, facebook and even in mails. Maybe you just didn't got him in the right time tha'ts why he didn't reply.
Flying in four - Static template, Alex Maroko was somehow invovled in this as well. Perhaps you seek to get the sweet 25" vert that Alex M. has? Dude is touching rim like no other.
Well Flying in Four is a potential scam as reviewed by Jack Woodrup. I respect Jack's reviews. I see it as unbiased, maybe except with his own product. ;D
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8x100 sprints are a TERRIBLE way to produce any kind of physiological quality that you'd want as a sprinter. Terrible.
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8x100 sprints are a TERRIBLE way to produce any kind of physiological quality that you'd want as a sprinter. Terrible.
Well I don't know. But that 8x 100m sprint is a light hill incline about a pace above jog. Described as 70% of sprints speed. I think it's a form of recovery session. Sorry, I didn't explain it earlier.
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8x100 sprints are a TERRIBLE way to produce any kind of physiological quality that you'd want as a sprinter. Terrible.
Well I don't know. But that 8x 100m sprint is a light hill incline about a pace above jog. Described as 70% of sprints speed. I think it's a form of recovery session. Sorry, I didn't explain it earlier.
Oh. Never mind, then.
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wtf dude! why do you ask for advice when you don't take it?
dont buy any of those programs, they are all just basic templates that anyone here could write for you.
you got enough of good advice in here, like:
Starting Strength plus jumping a lot before you lift.
http://www.adarq.org/forum/performance-training-blog/an-introductory-block/
dont ask more any more questions about which program you should get! :uhhhfacepalm:
All of that ^ plus ARowe's comment.
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8x100 sprints are a TERRIBLE way to produce any kind of physiological quality that you'd want as a sprinter. Terrible.
Well I don't know. But that 8x 100m sprint is a light hill incline about a pace above jog. Described as 70% of sprints speed. I think it's a form of recovery session. Sorry, I didn't explain it earlier.
The sprints in week 2 of intermediate explosive are 8x80m at 100%
Week 3 is 8x100m uphill with no % of speed listed.
Week 4 is 10x100m with no % of speed listed.
I emailed Adam regarding the week 2 sprints and that email is below. I asked for clarification about weeks 3 and on but was not given a response in terms of the sprint % that you are supposed to use. I fail to see where it is "described as 70% of sprints speed." This is not described in the Vertfreak template, but perhaps you received it from another source.
Me: 3) In the "Intermediate explosive" program you have listed 8x80 uphill sprints before a workout essentially based on squatting and stiff leg deadlifts. I see no % max listed on the uphill sprints so does that mean you should sprint at full speed? Wouldn't sprinting 80 meters uphill 8 times at full speed wear you out before squatting?
Adam: Anything under 100m will be at 100%, with near full recovery between sprints. Proper recovery, and your squat should be fine.
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8x100 sprints are a TERRIBLE way to produce any kind of physiological quality that you'd want as a sprinter. Terrible.
Well I don't know. But that 8x 100m sprint is a light hill incline about a pace above jog. Described as 70% of sprints speed. I think it's a form of recovery session. Sorry, I didn't explain it earlier.
The sprints in week 2 of intermediate explosive are 8x80m at 100%
Week 3 is 8x100m uphill with no % of speed listed.
Week 4 is 10x100m with no % of speed listed.
I emailed Adam regarding the week 2 sprints and that email is below. I asked for clarification about weeks 3 and on but was not given a response in terms of the sprint % that you are supposed to use. I fail to see where it is "described as 70% of sprints speed." This is not described in the Vertfreak template, but perhaps you received it from another source.
Me: 3) In the "Intermediate explosive" program you have listed 8x80 uphill sprints before a workout essentially based on squatting and stiff leg deadlifts. I see no % max listed on the uphill sprints so does that mean you should sprint at full speed? Wouldn't sprinting 80 meters uphill 8 times at full speed wear you out before squatting?
Adam: Anything under 100m will be at 100%, with near full recovery between sprints. Proper recovery, and your squat should be fine.
Ahh, sorry for that. I'm following the beginner's program. Don't know about that. I know for 100m's, I asked Adam, it's around 70-80% of speed. But for below 100m it should be at max.
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If you look in your template, you will find that the sprints are 85% for weeks 3 and 4. These are 6x100m sprints. I understand if Adam told you differently, but if you follow what is written, that is what's there.
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not sure why you guys are your saying flying in four is a scam. I have it, it's legit. I'm pretty sure kelly wrote the workouts. All it is is basically three different 4 week programs, beginner , intermedaite, advanced and it includes a little about stretching , the testing day what to do.
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not sure why you guys are your saying flying in four is a scam. I have it, it's legit. I'm pretty sure kelly wrote the workouts. All it is is basically three different 4 week programs, beginner , intermedaite, advanced and it includes a little about stretching , the testing day what to do.
ya those 1 month blocks seem solid from what i've seen.. definitely not a scam.
on the actual topic, plenty of info out there, it's all pretty simple, spending money makes people feel better about doing something for some reason, though, it's not needed imo.. the info is out there, the exercises are known, it comes down to improving your lifts, jumping, improving fitness, improving body composition, eating clean, getting enough sleep, etc.. ok pay me $100.
pc
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Or you could instead listen to me say the same things, but I only ask 90$. Or 150$, if you think a more expensive package is better (ala The Vertical Project).
Thank you, I await your check.
Your sincere and awesome, ultra spectacular athlete and COACH, Raptor.
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not sure why you guys are your saying flying in four is a scam. I have it, it's legit. I'm pretty sure kelly wrote the workouts. All it is is basically three different 4 week programs, beginner , intermedaite, advanced and it includes a little about stretching , the testing day what to do.
4 inches in 4 weeks...
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not sure why you guys are your saying flying in four is a scam. I have it, it's legit. I'm pretty sure kelly wrote the workouts. All it is is basically three different 4 week programs, beginner , intermedaite, advanced and it includes a little about stretching , the testing day what to do.
4 inches in 4 weeks...
I would pay for this only if it pertained to increasing my penis length and only if the testimonials were REALLY solid and believable.
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If you look in your template, you will find that the sprints are 85% for weeks 3 and 4. These are 6x100m sprints. I understand if Adam told you differently, but if you follow what is written, that is what's there.
I'm sorry I mixed my thoughts and my memories. I asked adam about the speed of the 2nd week sprints, and he said (not the exact words) that I should attain at a fairly high speeds (not max) and he did not specify any % speed. (Sorry, I just made up those numbers (70-80%) as to what adam said as fairly high speeds. I estimated those numbers from the next weeks sprinting speed which is 85%). And I forgot that the 2nd weeks sprints were only 6x80m. I apologize for my mistake. And maybe that second week sprint is an exception to the rule of, Max speed should be attained when the distance to cover is less than a 100m. And those sprints are most likely made just to prepare for the next weeks' sprints.
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not sure why you guys are your saying flying in four is a scam. I have it, it's legit. I'm pretty sure kelly wrote the workouts. All it is is basically three different 4 week programs, beginner , intermedaite, advanced and it includes a little about stretching , the testing day what to do.
4 inches in 4 weeks...
I would pay for this only if it pertained to increasing my penis length and only if the testimonials were REALLY solid and believable.
It is overpriced, sure, but at least two members on this board used it with good results. NBA3840 gained 4 inches or so in four weeks, and I too made excellent progress in those four weeks (a gain of +- 3 inches, and finally an increase in SVJ). So I don't think it's a scam.
But, of course, Adarq or Lance could make an equal program (or better, more customized/long-term), and there are no secrets to improve VJ, so it's just the programming that you pay for.
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FIF- no info, and def not a long term fix, but if you have been working for awhile, getting your squat up etc, will DEF gain some inches in a month- basically a good change up or peaking block. Not going to take you to a 40 inch vert from a 30.
The name is kind of sketchy, but I do believe the people kelly tested it on gained an average of 3.8 or something inches, but obviously some wont gain that much
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I have a program that guarantees 40 inches in 2 days, but you need to jump 45 to use it, it's too advanced. Any buyers?
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yea i think the average people that did flying in four gained about 4 inches, which is why they called it that. Whehter it's true or not. With all the marketing for all the shitty products from scammy companies i don't consider it a terrible thing if someone who really knows their stuff calls their product flying in four and basically gaurantees four inches if it's better than 99% of the other programs out there.
like if adarqui and the best and most knowledgeable coaches in the world were using scammy marketing and gimmicky stuff to lure people in to do their stuff, it wouldn't bother me because they have the best info and stuff, people are just blinded and don't know about it because of of all the marketing and gimmicky things the companies on tv and everywhere do
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They called it Flying in four because it's related to gaining inches in 4 weeks I think.