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Re: Project Vertical
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2011, 10:44:04 am »
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The emphasis on core stability and activation is very different from my past workouts.

Translation:

Buy the program I endorse.
isnt this thread for people that have used a program to post in, stating whether or not they saw gains? because I recomend a product that worked for me, i have some hidden agenda? I dont want to be to specific about what is in the program because I dont think that is fair to Tyler, since he is trying to make a living off of it. But I guess that in its self is the real issue. We all know that there isn't some magical exercise in this program or anyother for that matter, that is going to give you instant inches. In fact if you learn enough and do your research you can make an effective training program for free. But most people either dont have the time or they are just not interested in doing so, for them and for many others purchasing a program is the way to go. Having been someone that has purchased and used many programs along the way, i feel i can help guide these people towards solid programs that will get them real results (with proper work ethic).

Instead of doing so, myself and many others that have been down this path and actually achieved results dont go and spread our ideas on these types of forums because the internet know it alls are on patrol to discredit anyone with an opinion other than their own. Btw, this isnt meant as a shot against most, as I have respect for many of the posters on here. The coaches and trainees that share their info for free are here to help us all, some of the other people should quit worring so much about their post count and just learn from the people that know what they are talking about.

What I meant was - instead of answering in a shady manner (basically not answering at all) you could've answer with say an exercise that you thought it helped you.

Say you were doing weighed planks and you felt that helped you. You could've said "Well, using weighed planks I think made a big difference". You didn't have to tell the time per set, how many reps, what weight, you know, the specifics, but it would've been a much better answer than saying "I'm better because I'm better, buy the program if you want to find out how".

You should take a look at how Kelly responds. He never really says stuff that's in his programs per se, but he does answer with a helpful example on how things can be done. That's what I like the most about Kelly.


what are you talking about man? lol, he answered TWICE< he said hes 1. using his hips more, in his lifts and his jumps, and 2. hes emphasizing core stability (anti rotation if u need it in crayon) and activation.

  Thats a pretty damn detailed answer without listing out sets, reps, and weight for you.  He couldve easily said "this program is INSANE, u have to see it, its SOOO different" and not said anything about what he noticed was different, but instead he gave a legit answer, of the EXACT things HE FELT helped him.  

and props on the progress cskin, know youve been working very hard for it.

"Emphasis on core stability and activation" could mean many things. It depends on how each of us understand the words "stability" and "activation". These are loose terms.

That's like me saying "I put emphasis on getting stronger legs". That could mean anything.

lmao, no it cant.  it means.........................EMPHASIS ON CORE STABILITY AND ACTIVATION. Thats like him telling you hes squatting with more emphasis on the hips wasnt enough, you want to know how wide his stance is, where he puts the bar, and what kind of underwear he had on, or hes just not right and only "promoting programs".
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Re: Project Vertical
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2011, 11:00:14 am »
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The emphasis on core stability and activation is very different from my past workouts.

Translation:

Buy the program I endorse.
isnt this thread for people that have used a program to post in, stating whether or not they saw gains? because I recomend a product that worked for me, i have some hidden agenda? I dont want to be to specific about what is in the program because I dont think that is fair to Tyler, since he is trying to make a living off of it. But I guess that in its self is the real issue. We all know that there isn't some magical exercise in this program or anyother for that matter, that is going to give you instant inches. In fact if you learn enough and do your research you can make an effective training program for free. But most people either dont have the time or they are just not interested in doing so, for them and for many others purchasing a program is the way to go. Having been someone that has purchased and used many programs along the way, i feel i can help guide these people towards solid programs that will get them real results (with proper work ethic).

Instead of doing so, myself and many others that have been down this path and actually achieved results dont go and spread our ideas on these types of forums because the internet know it alls are on patrol to discredit anyone with an opinion other than their own. Btw, this isnt meant as a shot against most, as I have respect for many of the posters on here. The coaches and trainees that share their info for free are here to help us all, some of the other people should quit worring so much about their post count and just learn from the people that know what they are talking about.

What I meant was - instead of answering in a shady manner (basically not answering at all) you could've answer with say an exercise that you thought it helped you.

Say you were doing weighed planks and you felt that helped you. You could've said "Well, using weighed planks I think made a big difference". You didn't have to tell the time per set, how many reps, what weight, you know, the specifics, but it would've been a much better answer than saying "I'm better because I'm better, buy the program if you want to find out how".

You should take a look at how Kelly responds. He never really says stuff that's in his programs per se, but he does answer with a helpful example on how things can be done. That's what I like the most about Kelly.


what are you talking about man? lol, he answered TWICE< he said hes 1. using his hips more, in his lifts and his jumps, and 2. hes emphasizing core stability (anti rotation if u need it in crayon) and activation.

  Thats a pretty damn detailed answer without listing out sets, reps, and weight for you.  He couldve easily said "this program is INSANE, u have to see it, its SOOO different" and not said anything about what he noticed was different, but instead he gave a legit answer, of the EXACT things HE FELT helped him.  

and props on the progress cskin, know youve been working very hard for it.

"Emphasis on core stability and activation" could mean many things. It depends on how each of us understand the words "stability" and "activation". These are loose terms.

That's like me saying "I put emphasis on getting stronger legs". That could mean anything.

lmao, no it cant.  it means.........................EMPHASIS ON CORE STABILITY AND ACTIVATION. Thats like him telling you hes squatting with more emphasis on the hips wasnt enough, you want to know how wide his stance is, where he puts the bar, and what kind of underwear he had on, or hes just not right and only "promoting programs".

I don't agree. More emphasis on core stability and activation could really mean anything. He might choose to do heavier squats for example and maybe that's his way to understand "emphasis on core stability". Or planks. Or maybe ab wheels. Or maybe hip flexor stuff. Or so and so. Who knows. That's why I said it's not really an answer.

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Re: Project Vertical
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2011, 11:11:59 am »
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The emphasis on core stability and activation is very different from my past workouts.

Translation:

Buy the program I endorse.
isnt this thread for people that have used a program to post in, stating whether or not they saw gains? because I recomend a product that worked for me, i have some hidden agenda? I dont want to be to specific about what is in the program because I dont think that is fair to Tyler, since he is trying to make a living off of it. But I guess that in its self is the real issue. We all know that there isn't some magical exercise in this program or anyother for that matter, that is going to give you instant inches. In fact if you learn enough and do your research you can make an effective training program for free. But most people either dont have the time or they are just not interested in doing so, for them and for many others purchasing a program is the way to go. Having been someone that has purchased and used many programs along the way, i feel i can help guide these people towards solid programs that will get them real results (with proper work ethic).

Instead of doing so, myself and many others that have been down this path and actually achieved results dont go and spread our ideas on these types of forums because the internet know it alls are on patrol to discredit anyone with an opinion other than their own. Btw, this isnt meant as a shot against most, as I have respect for many of the posters on here. The coaches and trainees that share their info for free are here to help us all, some of the other people should quit worring so much about their post count and just learn from the people that know what they are talking about.

What I meant was - instead of answering in a shady manner (basically not answering at all) you could've answer with say an exercise that you thought it helped you.

Say you were doing weighed planks and you felt that helped you. You could've said "Well, using weighed planks I think made a big difference". You didn't have to tell the time per set, how many reps, what weight, you know, the specifics, but it would've been a much better answer than saying "I'm better because I'm better, buy the program if you want to find out how".

You should take a look at how Kelly responds. He never really says stuff that's in his programs per se, but he does answer with a helpful example on how things can be done. That's what I like the most about Kelly.


what are you talking about man? lol, he answered TWICE< he said hes 1. using his hips more, in his lifts and his jumps, and 2. hes emphasizing core stability (anti rotation if u need it in crayon) and activation.

  Thats a pretty damn detailed answer without listing out sets, reps, and weight for you.  He couldve easily said "this program is INSANE, u have to see it, its SOOO different" and not said anything about what he noticed was different, but instead he gave a legit answer, of the EXACT things HE FELT helped him.  

and props on the progress cskin, know youve been working very hard for it.

"Emphasis on core stability and activation" could mean many things. It depends on how each of us understand the words "stability" and "activation". These are loose terms.

That's like me saying "I put emphasis on getting stronger legs". That could mean anything.

lmao, no it cant.  it means.........................EMPHASIS ON CORE STABILITY AND ACTIVATION. Thats like him telling you hes squatting with more emphasis on the hips wasnt enough, you want to know how wide his stance is, where he puts the bar, and what kind of underwear he had on, or hes just not right and only "promoting programs".

I don't agree. More emphasis on core stability and activation could really mean anything. He might choose to do heavier squats for example and maybe that's his way to understand "emphasis on core stability". Or planks. Or maybe ab wheels. Or maybe hip flexor stuff. Or so and so. Who knows. That's why I said it's not really an answer.

lol, he already said what he did with his squats up above, and he said hes squatting LIGHTER. so number one silly guess of yours is out.  either way the with the other things you listed,  ITS STILL MORE EMPHASIS ON CORE STABILITY AND ACTIVATION. If you really need more detail of what he meant why not ask him "can u give an example of what you mean" and I bet he wouldve gladly told you. 
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Re: Project Vertical
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2011, 07:11:08 pm »
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The emphasis on core stability and activation is very different from my past workouts.

Translation:

Buy the program I endorse.
isnt this thread for people that have used a program to post in, stating whether or not they saw gains? because I recomend a product that worked for me, i have some hidden agenda? I dont want to be to specific about what is in the program because I dont think that is fair to Tyler, since he is trying to make a living off of it. But I guess that in its self is the real issue. We all know that there isn't some magical exercise in this program or anyother for that matter, that is going to give you instant inches. In fact if you learn enough and do your research you can make an effective training program for free. But most people either dont have the time or they are just not interested in doing so, for them and for many others purchasing a program is the way to go. Having been someone that has purchased and used many programs along the way, i feel i can help guide these people towards solid programs that will get them real results (with proper work ethic).

Instead of doing so, myself and many others that have been down this path and actually achieved results dont go and spread our ideas on these types of forums because the internet know it alls are on patrol to discredit anyone with an opinion other than their own. Btw, this isnt meant as a shot against most, as I have respect for many of the posters on here. The coaches and trainees that share their info for free are here to help us all, some of the other people should quit worring so much about their post count and just learn from the people that know what they are talking about.

What I meant was - instead of answering in a shady manner (basically not answering at all) you could've answer with say an exercise that you thought it helped you.

Say you were doing weighed planks and you felt that helped you. You could've said "Well, using weighed planks I think made a big difference". You didn't have to tell the time per set, how many reps, what weight, you know, the specifics, but it would've been a much better answer than saying "I'm better because I'm better, buy the program if you want to find out how".

You should take a look at how Kelly responds. He never really says stuff that's in his programs per se, but he does answer with a helpful example on how things can be done. That's what I like the most about Kelly.


what are you talking about man? lol, he answered TWICE< he said hes 1. using his hips more, in his lifts and his jumps, and 2. hes emphasizing core stability (anti rotation if u need it in crayon) and activation.

  Thats a pretty damn detailed answer without listing out sets, reps, and weight for you.  He couldve easily said "this program is INSANE, u have to see it, its SOOO different" and not said anything about what he noticed was different, but instead he gave a legit answer, of the EXACT things HE FELT helped him.  

and props on the progress cskin, know youve been working very hard for it.

"Emphasis on core stability and activation" could mean many things. It depends on how each of us understand the words "stability" and "activation". These are loose terms.

That's like me saying "I put emphasis on getting stronger legs". That could mean anything.

lmao, no it cant.  it means.........................EMPHASIS ON CORE STABILITY AND ACTIVATION. Thats like him telling you hes squatting with more emphasis on the hips wasnt enough, you want to know how wide his stance is, where he puts the bar, and what kind of underwear he had on, or hes just not right and only "promoting programs".

I don't agree. More emphasis on core stability and activation could really mean anything. He might choose to do heavier squats for example and maybe that's his way to understand "emphasis on core stability". Or planks. Or maybe ab wheels. Or maybe hip flexor stuff. Or so and so. Who knows. That's why I said it's not really an answer.

lol, he already said what he did with his squats up above, and he said hes squatting LIGHTER. so number one silly guess of yours is out.  either way the with the other things you listed,  ITS STILL MORE EMPHASIS ON CORE STABILITY AND ACTIVATION. If you really need more detail of what he meant why not ask him "can u give an example of what you mean" and I bet he wouldve gladly told you. 

Why do we always have to get to this point. Someone asks a thing. The other guys responds just to pretend he's responding. Then the OP needs to ask specifics. Then the other guy might or might not answer and so on and so forth. It's stupid.

It's like me saying "hey man, what time is it" and you answer "well, I can see some light". Well why the heck don't you tell me what the time is and spare ourselves a handful of "blah blah".

And I've seen it happen countless of times. Answers like "Get stronger" or "sprint faster". Oh no, genius boy! And then the same people self-entitle themselves as "no bullshit" and stupid crap like that, to make them, in their minds, think they're superior or something.

Maybe I'm wrong and he didn't meant to put out a "marketing answer", I don't know, but still... an annoying way to answer. Whatever.

I really need to start scamming people for money if they are so "unsensitive" to stuff.

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Re: Project Vertical
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2011, 07:44:56 pm »
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@raptor - There was nothing vague about my answer and the wording was exactly what I meant to say, you seem to be the only one that doesn't understand the concept of core stability. If you did you would know that the core can move in all kinds of fashions and improving that stability isn't as simple as "do some planks". In fairness to the program I am not going to list out all of the various types of exercises you can do, try a google search if you need exact examples. I would think that with all of the time you spend on these forums you might have known a little more about this matter. My post was not intended to be an attack on you personally, but since you want to call me a "scammer" and "shady" why dont you tell me what it is that I sell. I have said good things about many programs and bad things about many others, none of which I sell or have ever sold. I am an engineer by trade, not some marketer out to get your parents money. My videos are tagged with Project Vertical beacuse that is the workout I am doing, as stated before I told Tyler I would document my progress and give him my honest opinions. It just so happens that it is working quite well and I am comfortable saying that its a great program. Through this process he and I have become freinds and he has been kind enough to add me on to him dunk team (might be because I can jump a little too). Just to be clear and not vague, I DO NOT GET PAID BY PROJECT VERTICAL. Even if I did, would that change the fact that the program worked for me? could I still not give my opinion? I was a supporter of Vertfreak in a similar fashion because you know what, it worked for me. I dont follow your posts personally, but have you been setting PR's? if not, maybe you should quit telling everyone else what they should be doing and get in the gym figure out what actually works.

@LanceSTS - thank you sir, as always your opinion means a lot. Your posts saved me a ton of typing lol

Also, just to be clear, if YOU ask me a question and YOU need some clarification I'll be glad to help were I can.

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Re: Project Vertical
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2011, 07:53:11 pm »
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Also, as a member of a site dedicated to athletic training (specifically vert training) one would think that you would be picking my brain not trying to be an ass. As one of the few people that has gone from an average leaper to almost world class, I have learned a bit about training along the way. I am not saying I know it all or that what works for me works for everyone, but I think I might have some perspective as to how to make gains. Just keep that in mind.

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Re: Project Vertical
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2011, 09:33:55 pm »
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People on here are spoiled by getting free training advice from Andrew and Lance. I believe this inadvertently creates a skeptic culture that believes anyone who sells a program is a scammer.

I'm not condoning the crap marketing and falsified claims that are out there...but I don't see a problem with someone making money off a program that may help someone improve.

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Re: Project Vertical
« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2011, 10:26:18 pm »
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Hi Cskin

Awesome work. Your video was excellent and congratulations are in order.

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Re: Project Vertical
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2011, 01:46:34 am »
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Re: Project Vertical
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2011, 04:09:29 am »
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@Jack W - thanks, I read your site often, appreciate the kind words.

@Clarence - well said. I also might add that they are shining a much needed light on an area of the industry that has been disgusting for a long time. I wish there was something like the call em out section around when I started training, but I too agree that I dont have a problem with someone trying to make a buck honestly. It is sad to say, but honest results arent all that impressive to people. Myself as an example, I have gained roughly 15" or more on my vert since the begining of this journey which sounds good on its own, but when you add in that its taken years and years now it doesnt sound so appealing.

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Re: Project Vertical
« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2011, 04:40:37 am »
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It is sad to say, but honest results arent all that impressive to people. Myself as an example, I have gained roughly 15" or more on my vert since the begining of this journey which sounds good on its own, but when you add in that its taken years and years now it doesnt sound so appealing.

True , BUT , it depends on the people. 14 year old skinny kids that want do get 50'' vertz doing calve raises, jumpsoles and abs over the summer won't be impressed.
Anyone who has trained for over a year has much more respect for continued hard work. He also knows gains don't come overnight.
For me , the last 5 of those 15'' gains of yours are much more impressive than the first 10''.
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Re: Project Vertical
« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2011, 07:06:39 am »
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Whatever man. Too much talking.

Maybe I'm "scammer" paranoid, but I honestly thought (and still do, but... yeah, I still do) that that answer was put in that way just to raise curiosity. When the answer is delivered in general terms, it usually means "buy the program, you'll find more info there".

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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2011, 06:42:08 pm »
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Whatever man. Too much talking.

Maybe I'm "scammer" paranoid, but I honestly thought (and still do, but... yeah, I still do) that that answer was put in that way just to raise curiosity. When the answer is delivered in general terms, it usually means "buy the program, you'll find more info there".
I thought about letting it slide, but this is some bs. I have been on these types of forums for 5 or 6 years, I usually just read the posts and leave the coaches to do their thing. In all of the posts I have ever made on any of the forums, have I ever linked to anything other than my youtube for the occasional progress video? Have I ever tried to sell anything at all? when you are done thinking of a comeback, the answer is no. So just because you have a problem with the way I worded an answer to a question posed by NOT YOU, you think that you have grounds to slander me? Btw, who the hell are you to question anything. What is your big acomplishment or addition to any subject? Just because you post a lot doesnt mean you are some sort of expert. Back to the scammer crap, apparently you don't understand what a scam is. Even if I had been someone trying to promote PV sales and I had something to gain by doing so, where is the scam? There is video evidence of my gains while using PV, so once again where is the scam part of all of this? Your reply is like a child's, there is nothing to support your argument so you just say whatever and leave with a parting shot. Besides all of this, I am not wanting this to be personal. Just don't think that I will sit by and be bullied or discredited without defending myself.

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Re: Project Vertical
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2011, 04:26:07 am »
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Well you have the freedom to say whatever it is that you want to say, and I have mine. I stand by mine's, you stand by your's, so there you have it. People will have their's.

Note I said "it usually means" - maybe this wasn't the case. But honestly, just because you talk a lot that doesn't mean I'm going to change my first reaction to seeing that answer. But it doesn't matter.

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« Reply #44 on: May 14, 2011, 04:51:06 pm »
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Whatever man. Too much talking.

Maybe I'm "scammer" paranoid, but I honestly thought (and still do, but... yeah, I still do) that that answer was put in that way just to raise curiosity. When the answer is delivered in general terms, it usually means "buy the program, you'll find more info there".
I thought about letting it slide, but this is some bs. I have been on these types of forums for 5 or 6 years, I usually just read the posts and leave the coaches to do their thing. In all of the posts I have ever made on any of the forums, have I ever linked to anything other than my youtube for the occasional progress video? Have I ever tried to sell anything at all? when you are done thinking of a comeback, the answer is no. So just because you have a problem with the way I worded an answer to a question posed by NOT YOU, you think that you have grounds to slander me? Btw, who the hell are you to question anything. What is your big acomplishment or addition to any subject? Just because you post a lot doesnt mean you are some sort of expert. Back to the scammer crap, apparently you don't understand what a scam is. Even if I had been someone trying to promote PV sales and I had something to gain by doing so, where is the scam? There is video evidence of my gains while using PV, so once again where is the scam part of all of this? Your reply is like a child's, there is nothing to support your argument so you just say whatever and leave with a parting shot. Besides all of this, I am not wanting this to be personal. Just don't think that I will sit by and be bullied or discredited without defending myself.



just to be clear on my post...i don't think you're a scammer...i just didn't know who you are etc....seeing your progress video is pretty amazing man...and i thought the way you responded to the question asked was fine hahaha nothing scammish about it