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Performance Area => Program Review => Topic started by: KokoyPinoy on February 19, 2011, 11:23:18 pm
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Whoever own a Vertical Project (I meant Project Vertical by Tyler Ray) program, please make a review about it.Thanks. :)
Sorry! I meant Project Vertical...
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Project Vertical from Jukebox (Tyler Ray)? or Vertical Project from Luke 'scammer - never a trainer, never claims to be, because he said he's so far ahead of his time' Lowry, Vert Project, u can look under "scammers" section and read about him, he sucks, a lot to read, makes u think about some stuff, but you won't get results, especially the 1s he guarantees, Project Vert, I have no idea about
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Project Vertical from Jukebox (Tyler Ray)? or Vertical Project from Luke 'scammer - never a trainer, never claims to be, because he said he's so far ahead of his time' Lowry, Vert Project, u can look under "scammers" section and read about him, he sucks, a lot to read, makes u think about some stuff, but you won't get results, especially the 1s he guarantees, Project Vert, I have no idea about
Sorry! I meant Project Vertical by Jukebox.
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i'll change this thread's topic once i incorporate that feature, probably tomorrow.. i'll change it to Project Vertical.
ya im curious too, to see what people think of it or how the training is organized.
pc
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i'll change this thread's topic once i incorporate that feature, probably tomorrow.. i'll change it to Project Vertical.
ya im curious too, to see what people think of it or how the training is organized.
pc
Thanks! I think it is closely similar to VF. I don't know, just a hunch. Hahaha.
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Thru FBook messages and Youtube messages I talked to him a while back (before he was working with VF) he seemed to have some solid ideas, and I know 1 of the things he tends to stress in his Youtube vids (seems to be) that he actually does work as a Trainer or S&C Coach. Would love to hear about it as well. When I 1st saw his vid on using the isometrics (band off to the side, balancing) I incorporated it into my workout.
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luke lowrey could actually have a case if he sued this guy for copyright infringement. I find it funny that he is too dumb to realize it though.
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Tyler sent me a copy to try out after meeting him a while back. I am giving it a try now (2nd week), so I will know more in a couple of months. It is a lot different than VertFreak (which helped my vert and I recomend). I dont want to say what is in his program, but it is pretty similar to what the strength coaches at Impact Basketball run players through. Most of the movements have a core aspect to them. I've been training off and on for a few years and have never done some of the exercises prior to last week. They seem to be activating some muscles that I haven't been using because I had a pr jumping day yesterday. I know I am not any stronger after only a week, but my jumps have never felt more explosive. I will give a better review after I am finished with the program, but my intial thoughts are all very positive.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_7GeGD6ZdY
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_7GeGD6ZdY
are you calling the guy above you a possible scammer/natural try to pass off as not?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_7GeGD6ZdY
are you calling the guy above you a possible scammer/natural try to pass off as not?
nah that's cskin, he's legit.. he puts in work.. was just posting the vid, though i am interested to see what he does with PV.
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here's an older vid from him, nasty dunks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zSbazBBlG8
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Yeah, weird... does he have that huge squat anymore? Guess he does.
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Yea, he trains hard, squats, reverse hypers, etc., not bs workouts. Also studies performance training and works for a sports training facility if I remember correctly. Dude has some nice hops, probably worked harder for them 90% of the other guys at that level.
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hey guys, I respect your opinions so thanks for the kind words. As far as PV goes I certainly do not work for them, I met Tyler doing a dunk show out in California a few months back. He was great and after getting to know me he was nice enough to send me a copy of his program to try out. As some of you know, I am far from naturally gifted and I have tried tons of programs over the past few years. (i could dunk from 17-20 barely/couldnt dunk at about 20 or 21/worked my way up from there) To give you a little perspective, I was jumping well before trying PV but I separated my AC joint and took a while off of training to try to let my shoulder heal. After I felt my shoulder was fine I finished the first 5 weeks of PV, then I took another shot to the joint setting back my training again. Long story short I am still in the middle PV so I do not have a complete review, but so far I do feel as though I am jumping higher and I am making dunks that I never would have before. The program is quite different from the other internet programs that I have seen, it is set up and has exercises that are a lot closer to the personal training that I have seen applied at Impact Basketball in Las Vegas. Btw, I do not work at Impact I just know some coaches/players and have been around the gym and worked out there.
ps. I know I am not the best dunker, as I have much to work on as far as style goes, but I have worked very hard and I am very proud of the progress I have made. So thank you very much for your kind words and encouragement.
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Yeah, weird... does he have that huge squat anymore? Guess he does.
I never really had a big squat, at least in internet terms, I have always been below 2xbw. As I have progressed I have really changed my squat form and depth so that now I feel as though I am pretty solid. For myself, the change from 2" above to parallel or below really affected my squat #'s. Also, sitting back into my squat has allowed me to feel the correct muscles firing but it decreased my poundages as well.
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That is some BIG progress man, saw this old video linked by your newer ones, props man. And yea, the poundage doesnt mean anything if it doesnt carry over to performance for you, so finding a squat style that carried over more to your jump is always a good idea. Definitely looks like youre using your hips much more in your more recent jumps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKwAURxgJ_Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0VIe54iPVg
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Definitely looks like youre using your hips much more in your more recent jumps.
Taking shots at Andrew now aren't we? tsk tsk :P ;D
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Definitely looks like youre using your hips much more in your more recent jumps.
Taking shots at Andrew now aren't we? tsk tsk :P ;D
uhh, wtf are you talking about?? :uhhhfacepalm:
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Definitely looks like youre using your hips much more in your more recent jumps.
Taking shots at Andrew now aren't we? tsk tsk :P ;D
uhh, wtf are you talking about?? :uhhhfacepalm:
You know, more hips, less quads... ;D
I still hold my thought that he could jump better with more hip involvement, even with his build.
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is that the difference in using your glutes/hams when u jump versus. relying pretty much all on quads and calves?
that second video the jump looked so fluid and powerful 10x better than the jumps in the first vid. I jump like he jumps in the first video, that mean if i can get myself to using more of my hips when i jump it will look more like his jump in the second vid or is that a lot of technique/form also
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is that the difference in using your glutes/hams when u jump versus. relying pretty much all on quads and calves?
that second video the jump looked so fluid and powerful 10x better than the jumps in the first vid. I jump like he jumps in the first video, that mean if i can get myself to using more of my hips when i jump it will look more like his jump in the second vid or is that a lot of technique/form also
it is some of both to be sure, I have tried to change my lifting technique so that the hips would be the prime movers rather than mostly quads. Also, I have actively tried to use my hips more in my jumps. As you can see it has helped my vert, but it also has helped to eliminate my shin splints and knee pain. My overly quad dominant early movements created a lot of stress. There could be other factors for the increase in vert and decrease in pains, but imo the change in movement pattern has played a big role.
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here is my progress from project vertical http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm0WLDKe9WQ
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insane progress man, why do you think this stuff is working so well? is their one thing that you can point to and say , yea this is helping me a ton?
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The emphasis on core stability and activation is very different from my past workouts.
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The emphasis on core stability and activation is very different from my past workouts.
Translation:
Buy the program I endorse.
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The emphasis on core stability and activation is very different from my past workouts.
Translation:
Buy the program I endorse.
isnt this thread for people that have used a program to post in, stating whether or not they saw gains? because I recomend a product that worked for me, i have some hidden agenda? I dont want to be to specific about what is in the program because I dont think that is fair to Tyler, since he is trying to make a living off of it. But I guess that in its self is the real issue. We all know that there isn't some magical exercise in this program or anyother for that matter, that is going to give you instant inches. In fact if you learn enough and do your research you can make an effective training program for free. But most people either dont have the time or they are just not interested in doing so, for them and for many others purchasing a program is the way to go. Having been someone that has purchased and used many programs along the way, i feel i can help guide these people towards solid programs that will get them real results (with proper work ethic).
Instead of doing so, myself and many others that have been down this path and actually achieved results dont go and spread our ideas on these types of forums because the internet know it alls are on patrol to discredit anyone with an opinion other than their own. Btw, this isnt meant as a shot against most, as I have respect for many of the posters on here. The coaches and trainees that share their info for free are here to help us all, some of the other people should quit worring so much about their post count and just learn from the people that know what they are talking about.
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The emphasis on core stability and activation is very different from my past workouts.
Translation:
Buy the program I endorse.
isnt this thread for people that have used a program to post in, stating whether or not they saw gains? because I recomend a product that worked for me, i have some hidden agenda? I dont want to be to specific about what is in the program because I dont think that is fair to Tyler, since he is trying to make a living off of it. But I guess that in its self is the real issue. We all know that there isn't some magical exercise in this program or anyother for that matter, that is going to give you instant inches. In fact if you learn enough and do your research you can make an effective training program for free. But most people either dont have the time or they are just not interested in doing so, for them and for many others purchasing a program is the way to go. Having been someone that has purchased and used many programs along the way, i feel i can help guide these people towards solid programs that will get them real results (with proper work ethic).
Instead of doing so, myself and many others that have been down this path and actually achieved results dont go and spread our ideas on these types of forums because the internet know it alls are on patrol to discredit anyone with an opinion other than their own. Btw, this isnt meant as a shot against most, as I have respect for many of the posters on here. The coaches and trainees that share their info for free are here to help us all, some of the other people should quit worring so much about their post count and just learn from the people that know what they are talking about.
What I meant was - instead of answering in a shady manner (basically not answering at all) you could've answer with say an exercise that you thought it helped you.
Say you were doing weighed planks and you felt that helped you. You could've said "Well, using weighed planks I think made a big difference". You didn't have to tell the time per set, how many reps, what weight, you know, the specifics, but it would've been a much better answer than saying "I'm better because I'm better, buy the program if you want to find out how".
You should take a look at how Kelly responds. He never really says stuff that's in his programs per se, but he does answer with a helpful example on how things can be done. That's what I like the most about Kelly.
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The emphasis on core stability and activation is very different from my past workouts.
Translation:
Buy the program I endorse.
isnt this thread for people that have used a program to post in, stating whether or not they saw gains? because I recomend a product that worked for me, i have some hidden agenda? I dont want to be to specific about what is in the program because I dont think that is fair to Tyler, since he is trying to make a living off of it. But I guess that in its self is the real issue. We all know that there isn't some magical exercise in this program or anyother for that matter, that is going to give you instant inches. In fact if you learn enough and do your research you can make an effective training program for free. But most people either dont have the time or they are just not interested in doing so, for them and for many others purchasing a program is the way to go. Having been someone that has purchased and used many programs along the way, i feel i can help guide these people towards solid programs that will get them real results (with proper work ethic).
Instead of doing so, myself and many others that have been down this path and actually achieved results dont go and spread our ideas on these types of forums because the internet know it alls are on patrol to discredit anyone with an opinion other than their own. Btw, this isnt meant as a shot against most, as I have respect for many of the posters on here. The coaches and trainees that share their info for free are here to help us all, some of the other people should quit worring so much about their post count and just learn from the people that know what they are talking about.
What I meant was - instead of answering in a shady manner (basically not answering at all) you could've answer with say an exercise that you thought it helped you.
Say you were doing weighed planks and you felt that helped you. You could've said "Well, using weighed planks I think made a big difference". You didn't have to tell the time per set, how many reps, what weight, you know, the specifics, but it would've been a much better answer than saying "I'm better because I'm better, buy the program if you want to find out how".
You should take a look at how Kelly responds. He never really says stuff that's in his programs per se, but he does answer with a helpful example on how things can be done. That's what I like the most about Kelly.
what are you talking about man? lol, he answered TWICE< he said hes 1. using his hips more, in his lifts and his jumps, and 2. hes emphasizing core stability (anti rotation if u need it in crayon) and activation.
Thats a pretty damn detailed answer without listing out sets, reps, and weight for you. He couldve easily said "this program is INSANE, u have to see it, its SOOO different" and not said anything about what he noticed was different, but instead he gave a legit answer, of the EXACT things HE FELT helped him.
and props on the progress cskin, know youve been working very hard for it.
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The emphasis on core stability and activation is very different from my past workouts.
Translation:
Buy the program I endorse.
isnt this thread for people that have used a program to post in, stating whether or not they saw gains? because I recomend a product that worked for me, i have some hidden agenda? I dont want to be to specific about what is in the program because I dont think that is fair to Tyler, since he is trying to make a living off of it. But I guess that in its self is the real issue. We all know that there isn't some magical exercise in this program or anyother for that matter, that is going to give you instant inches. In fact if you learn enough and do your research you can make an effective training program for free. But most people either dont have the time or they are just not interested in doing so, for them and for many others purchasing a program is the way to go. Having been someone that has purchased and used many programs along the way, i feel i can help guide these people towards solid programs that will get them real results (with proper work ethic).
Instead of doing so, myself and many others that have been down this path and actually achieved results dont go and spread our ideas on these types of forums because the internet know it alls are on patrol to discredit anyone with an opinion other than their own. Btw, this isnt meant as a shot against most, as I have respect for many of the posters on here. The coaches and trainees that share their info for free are here to help us all, some of the other people should quit worring so much about their post count and just learn from the people that know what they are talking about.
What I meant was - instead of answering in a shady manner (basically not answering at all) you could've answer with say an exercise that you thought it helped you.
Say you were doing weighed planks and you felt that helped you. You could've said "Well, using weighed planks I think made a big difference". You didn't have to tell the time per set, how many reps, what weight, you know, the specifics, but it would've been a much better answer than saying "I'm better because I'm better, buy the program if you want to find out how".
You should take a look at how Kelly responds. He never really says stuff that's in his programs per se, but he does answer with a helpful example on how things can be done. That's what I like the most about Kelly.
what are you talking about man? lol, he answered TWICE< he said hes 1. using his hips more, in his lifts and his jumps, and 2. hes emphasizing core stability (anti rotation if u need it in crayon) and activation.
Thats a pretty damn detailed answer without listing out sets, reps, and weight for you. He couldve easily said "this program is INSANE, u have to see it, its SOOO different" and not said anything about what he noticed was different, but instead he gave a legit answer, of the EXACT things HE FELT helped him.
and props on the progress cskin, know youve been working very hard for it.
"Emphasis on core stability and activation" could mean many things. It depends on how each of us understand the words "stability" and "activation". These are loose terms.
That's like me saying "I put emphasis on getting stronger legs". That could mean anything.
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The emphasis on core stability and activation is very different from my past workouts.
Translation:
Buy the program I endorse.
isnt this thread for people that have used a program to post in, stating whether or not they saw gains? because I recomend a product that worked for me, i have some hidden agenda? I dont want to be to specific about what is in the program because I dont think that is fair to Tyler, since he is trying to make a living off of it. But I guess that in its self is the real issue. We all know that there isn't some magical exercise in this program or anyother for that matter, that is going to give you instant inches. In fact if you learn enough and do your research you can make an effective training program for free. But most people either dont have the time or they are just not interested in doing so, for them and for many others purchasing a program is the way to go. Having been someone that has purchased and used many programs along the way, i feel i can help guide these people towards solid programs that will get them real results (with proper work ethic).
Instead of doing so, myself and many others that have been down this path and actually achieved results dont go and spread our ideas on these types of forums because the internet know it alls are on patrol to discredit anyone with an opinion other than their own. Btw, this isnt meant as a shot against most, as I have respect for many of the posters on here. The coaches and trainees that share their info for free are here to help us all, some of the other people should quit worring so much about their post count and just learn from the people that know what they are talking about.
What I meant was - instead of answering in a shady manner (basically not answering at all) you could've answer with say an exercise that you thought it helped you.
Say you were doing weighed planks and you felt that helped you. You could've said "Well, using weighed planks I think made a big difference". You didn't have to tell the time per set, how many reps, what weight, you know, the specifics, but it would've been a much better answer than saying "I'm better because I'm better, buy the program if you want to find out how".
You should take a look at how Kelly responds. He never really says stuff that's in his programs per se, but he does answer with a helpful example on how things can be done. That's what I like the most about Kelly.
what are you talking about man? lol, he answered TWICE< he said hes 1. using his hips more, in his lifts and his jumps, and 2. hes emphasizing core stability (anti rotation if u need it in crayon) and activation.
Thats a pretty damn detailed answer without listing out sets, reps, and weight for you. He couldve easily said "this program is INSANE, u have to see it, its SOOO different" and not said anything about what he noticed was different, but instead he gave a legit answer, of the EXACT things HE FELT helped him.
and props on the progress cskin, know youve been working very hard for it.
"Emphasis on core stability and activation" could mean many things. It depends on how each of us understand the words "stability" and "activation". These are loose terms.
That's like me saying "I put emphasis on getting stronger legs". That could mean anything.
lmao, no it cant. it means.........................EMPHASIS ON CORE STABILITY AND ACTIVATION. Thats like him telling you hes squatting with more emphasis on the hips wasnt enough, you want to know how wide his stance is, where he puts the bar, and what kind of underwear he had on, or hes just not right and only "promoting programs".
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The emphasis on core stability and activation is very different from my past workouts.
Translation:
Buy the program I endorse.
isnt this thread for people that have used a program to post in, stating whether or not they saw gains? because I recomend a product that worked for me, i have some hidden agenda? I dont want to be to specific about what is in the program because I dont think that is fair to Tyler, since he is trying to make a living off of it. But I guess that in its self is the real issue. We all know that there isn't some magical exercise in this program or anyother for that matter, that is going to give you instant inches. In fact if you learn enough and do your research you can make an effective training program for free. But most people either dont have the time or they are just not interested in doing so, for them and for many others purchasing a program is the way to go. Having been someone that has purchased and used many programs along the way, i feel i can help guide these people towards solid programs that will get them real results (with proper work ethic).
Instead of doing so, myself and many others that have been down this path and actually achieved results dont go and spread our ideas on these types of forums because the internet know it alls are on patrol to discredit anyone with an opinion other than their own. Btw, this isnt meant as a shot against most, as I have respect for many of the posters on here. The coaches and trainees that share their info for free are here to help us all, some of the other people should quit worring so much about their post count and just learn from the people that know what they are talking about.
What I meant was - instead of answering in a shady manner (basically not answering at all) you could've answer with say an exercise that you thought it helped you.
Say you were doing weighed planks and you felt that helped you. You could've said "Well, using weighed planks I think made a big difference". You didn't have to tell the time per set, how many reps, what weight, you know, the specifics, but it would've been a much better answer than saying "I'm better because I'm better, buy the program if you want to find out how".
You should take a look at how Kelly responds. He never really says stuff that's in his programs per se, but he does answer with a helpful example on how things can be done. That's what I like the most about Kelly.
what are you talking about man? lol, he answered TWICE< he said hes 1. using his hips more, in his lifts and his jumps, and 2. hes emphasizing core stability (anti rotation if u need it in crayon) and activation.
Thats a pretty damn detailed answer without listing out sets, reps, and weight for you. He couldve easily said "this program is INSANE, u have to see it, its SOOO different" and not said anything about what he noticed was different, but instead he gave a legit answer, of the EXACT things HE FELT helped him.
and props on the progress cskin, know youve been working very hard for it.
"Emphasis on core stability and activation" could mean many things. It depends on how each of us understand the words "stability" and "activation". These are loose terms.
That's like me saying "I put emphasis on getting stronger legs". That could mean anything.
lmao, no it cant. it means.........................EMPHASIS ON CORE STABILITY AND ACTIVATION. Thats like him telling you hes squatting with more emphasis on the hips wasnt enough, you want to know how wide his stance is, where he puts the bar, and what kind of underwear he had on, or hes just not right and only "promoting programs".
I don't agree. More emphasis on core stability and activation could really mean anything. He might choose to do heavier squats for example and maybe that's his way to understand "emphasis on core stability". Or planks. Or maybe ab wheels. Or maybe hip flexor stuff. Or so and so. Who knows. That's why I said it's not really an answer.
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The emphasis on core stability and activation is very different from my past workouts.
Translation:
Buy the program I endorse.
isnt this thread for people that have used a program to post in, stating whether or not they saw gains? because I recomend a product that worked for me, i have some hidden agenda? I dont want to be to specific about what is in the program because I dont think that is fair to Tyler, since he is trying to make a living off of it. But I guess that in its self is the real issue. We all know that there isn't some magical exercise in this program or anyother for that matter, that is going to give you instant inches. In fact if you learn enough and do your research you can make an effective training program for free. But most people either dont have the time or they are just not interested in doing so, for them and for many others purchasing a program is the way to go. Having been someone that has purchased and used many programs along the way, i feel i can help guide these people towards solid programs that will get them real results (with proper work ethic).
Instead of doing so, myself and many others that have been down this path and actually achieved results dont go and spread our ideas on these types of forums because the internet know it alls are on patrol to discredit anyone with an opinion other than their own. Btw, this isnt meant as a shot against most, as I have respect for many of the posters on here. The coaches and trainees that share their info for free are here to help us all, some of the other people should quit worring so much about their post count and just learn from the people that know what they are talking about.
What I meant was - instead of answering in a shady manner (basically not answering at all) you could've answer with say an exercise that you thought it helped you.
Say you were doing weighed planks and you felt that helped you. You could've said "Well, using weighed planks I think made a big difference". You didn't have to tell the time per set, how many reps, what weight, you know, the specifics, but it would've been a much better answer than saying "I'm better because I'm better, buy the program if you want to find out how".
You should take a look at how Kelly responds. He never really says stuff that's in his programs per se, but he does answer with a helpful example on how things can be done. That's what I like the most about Kelly.
what are you talking about man? lol, he answered TWICE< he said hes 1. using his hips more, in his lifts and his jumps, and 2. hes emphasizing core stability (anti rotation if u need it in crayon) and activation.
Thats a pretty damn detailed answer without listing out sets, reps, and weight for you. He couldve easily said "this program is INSANE, u have to see it, its SOOO different" and not said anything about what he noticed was different, but instead he gave a legit answer, of the EXACT things HE FELT helped him.
and props on the progress cskin, know youve been working very hard for it.
"Emphasis on core stability and activation" could mean many things. It depends on how each of us understand the words "stability" and "activation". These are loose terms.
That's like me saying "I put emphasis on getting stronger legs". That could mean anything.
lmao, no it cant. it means.........................EMPHASIS ON CORE STABILITY AND ACTIVATION. Thats like him telling you hes squatting with more emphasis on the hips wasnt enough, you want to know how wide his stance is, where he puts the bar, and what kind of underwear he had on, or hes just not right and only "promoting programs".
I don't agree. More emphasis on core stability and activation could really mean anything. He might choose to do heavier squats for example and maybe that's his way to understand "emphasis on core stability". Or planks. Or maybe ab wheels. Or maybe hip flexor stuff. Or so and so. Who knows. That's why I said it's not really an answer.
lol, he already said what he did with his squats up above, and he said hes squatting LIGHTER. so number one silly guess of yours is out. either way the with the other things you listed, ITS STILL MORE EMPHASIS ON CORE STABILITY AND ACTIVATION. If you really need more detail of what he meant why not ask him "can u give an example of what you mean" and I bet he wouldve gladly told you.
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The emphasis on core stability and activation is very different from my past workouts.
Translation:
Buy the program I endorse.
isnt this thread for people that have used a program to post in, stating whether or not they saw gains? because I recomend a product that worked for me, i have some hidden agenda? I dont want to be to specific about what is in the program because I dont think that is fair to Tyler, since he is trying to make a living off of it. But I guess that in its self is the real issue. We all know that there isn't some magical exercise in this program or anyother for that matter, that is going to give you instant inches. In fact if you learn enough and do your research you can make an effective training program for free. But most people either dont have the time or they are just not interested in doing so, for them and for many others purchasing a program is the way to go. Having been someone that has purchased and used many programs along the way, i feel i can help guide these people towards solid programs that will get them real results (with proper work ethic).
Instead of doing so, myself and many others that have been down this path and actually achieved results dont go and spread our ideas on these types of forums because the internet know it alls are on patrol to discredit anyone with an opinion other than their own. Btw, this isnt meant as a shot against most, as I have respect for many of the posters on here. The coaches and trainees that share their info for free are here to help us all, some of the other people should quit worring so much about their post count and just learn from the people that know what they are talking about.
What I meant was - instead of answering in a shady manner (basically not answering at all) you could've answer with say an exercise that you thought it helped you.
Say you were doing weighed planks and you felt that helped you. You could've said "Well, using weighed planks I think made a big difference". You didn't have to tell the time per set, how many reps, what weight, you know, the specifics, but it would've been a much better answer than saying "I'm better because I'm better, buy the program if you want to find out how".
You should take a look at how Kelly responds. He never really says stuff that's in his programs per se, but he does answer with a helpful example on how things can be done. That's what I like the most about Kelly.
what are you talking about man? lol, he answered TWICE< he said hes 1. using his hips more, in his lifts and his jumps, and 2. hes emphasizing core stability (anti rotation if u need it in crayon) and activation.
Thats a pretty damn detailed answer without listing out sets, reps, and weight for you. He couldve easily said "this program is INSANE, u have to see it, its SOOO different" and not said anything about what he noticed was different, but instead he gave a legit answer, of the EXACT things HE FELT helped him.
and props on the progress cskin, know youve been working very hard for it.
"Emphasis on core stability and activation" could mean many things. It depends on how each of us understand the words "stability" and "activation". These are loose terms.
That's like me saying "I put emphasis on getting stronger legs". That could mean anything.
lmao, no it cant. it means.........................EMPHASIS ON CORE STABILITY AND ACTIVATION. Thats like him telling you hes squatting with more emphasis on the hips wasnt enough, you want to know how wide his stance is, where he puts the bar, and what kind of underwear he had on, or hes just not right and only "promoting programs".
I don't agree. More emphasis on core stability and activation could really mean anything. He might choose to do heavier squats for example and maybe that's his way to understand "emphasis on core stability". Or planks. Or maybe ab wheels. Or maybe hip flexor stuff. Or so and so. Who knows. That's why I said it's not really an answer.
lol, he already said what he did with his squats up above, and he said hes squatting LIGHTER. so number one silly guess of yours is out. either way the with the other things you listed, ITS STILL MORE EMPHASIS ON CORE STABILITY AND ACTIVATION. If you really need more detail of what he meant why not ask him "can u give an example of what you mean" and I bet he wouldve gladly told you.
Why do we always have to get to this point. Someone asks a thing. The other guys responds just to pretend he's responding. Then the OP needs to ask specifics. Then the other guy might or might not answer and so on and so forth. It's stupid.
It's like me saying "hey man, what time is it" and you answer "well, I can see some light". Well why the heck don't you tell me what the time is and spare ourselves a handful of "blah blah".
And I've seen it happen countless of times. Answers like "Get stronger" or "sprint faster". Oh no, genius boy! And then the same people self-entitle themselves as "no bullshit" and stupid crap like that, to make them, in their minds, think they're superior or something.
Maybe I'm wrong and he didn't meant to put out a "marketing answer", I don't know, but still... an annoying way to answer. Whatever.
I really need to start scamming people for money if they are so "unsensitive" to stuff.
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@raptor - There was nothing vague about my answer and the wording was exactly what I meant to say, you seem to be the only one that doesn't understand the concept of core stability. If you did you would know that the core can move in all kinds of fashions and improving that stability isn't as simple as "do some planks". In fairness to the program I am not going to list out all of the various types of exercises you can do, try a google search if you need exact examples. I would think that with all of the time you spend on these forums you might have known a little more about this matter. My post was not intended to be an attack on you personally, but since you want to call me a "scammer" and "shady" why dont you tell me what it is that I sell. I have said good things about many programs and bad things about many others, none of which I sell or have ever sold. I am an engineer by trade, not some marketer out to get your parents money. My videos are tagged with Project Vertical beacuse that is the workout I am doing, as stated before I told Tyler I would document my progress and give him my honest opinions. It just so happens that it is working quite well and I am comfortable saying that its a great program. Through this process he and I have become freinds and he has been kind enough to add me on to him dunk team (might be because I can jump a little too). Just to be clear and not vague, I DO NOT GET PAID BY PROJECT VERTICAL. Even if I did, would that change the fact that the program worked for me? could I still not give my opinion? I was a supporter of Vertfreak in a similar fashion because you know what, it worked for me. I dont follow your posts personally, but have you been setting PR's? if not, maybe you should quit telling everyone else what they should be doing and get in the gym figure out what actually works.
@LanceSTS - thank you sir, as always your opinion means a lot. Your posts saved me a ton of typing lol
Also, just to be clear, if YOU ask me a question and YOU need some clarification I'll be glad to help were I can.
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Also, as a member of a site dedicated to athletic training (specifically vert training) one would think that you would be picking my brain not trying to be an ass. As one of the few people that has gone from an average leaper to almost world class, I have learned a bit about training along the way. I am not saying I know it all or that what works for me works for everyone, but I think I might have some perspective as to how to make gains. Just keep that in mind.
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People on here are spoiled by getting free training advice from Andrew and Lance. I believe this inadvertently creates a skeptic culture that believes anyone who sells a program is a scammer.
I'm not condoning the crap marketing and falsified claims that are out there...but I don't see a problem with someone making money off a program that may help someone improve.
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Hi Cskin
Awesome work. Your video was excellent and congratulations are in order.
Jack
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@Jack W - thanks, I read your site often, appreciate the kind words.
@Clarence - well said. I also might add that they are shining a much needed light on an area of the industry that has been disgusting for a long time. I wish there was something like the call em out section around when I started training, but I too agree that I dont have a problem with someone trying to make a buck honestly. It is sad to say, but honest results arent all that impressive to people. Myself as an example, I have gained roughly 15" or more on my vert since the begining of this journey which sounds good on its own, but when you add in that its taken years and years now it doesnt sound so appealing.
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It is sad to say, but honest results arent all that impressive to people. Myself as an example, I have gained roughly 15" or more on my vert since the begining of this journey which sounds good on its own, but when you add in that its taken years and years now it doesnt sound so appealing.
True , BUT , it depends on the people. 14 year old skinny kids that want do get 50'' vertz doing calve raises, jumpsoles and abs over the summer won't be impressed.
Anyone who has trained for over a year has much more respect for continued hard work. He also knows gains don't come overnight.
For me , the last 5 of those 15'' gains of yours are much more impressive than the first 10''.
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Whatever man. Too much talking.
Maybe I'm "scammer" paranoid, but I honestly thought (and still do, but... yeah, I still do) that that answer was put in that way just to raise curiosity. When the answer is delivered in general terms, it usually means "buy the program, you'll find more info there".
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Whatever man. Too much talking.
Maybe I'm "scammer" paranoid, but I honestly thought (and still do, but... yeah, I still do) that that answer was put in that way just to raise curiosity. When the answer is delivered in general terms, it usually means "buy the program, you'll find more info there".
I thought about letting it slide, but this is some bs. I have been on these types of forums for 5 or 6 years, I usually just read the posts and leave the coaches to do their thing. In all of the posts I have ever made on any of the forums, have I ever linked to anything other than my youtube for the occasional progress video? Have I ever tried to sell anything at all? when you are done thinking of a comeback, the answer is no. So just because you have a problem with the way I worded an answer to a question posed by NOT YOU, you think that you have grounds to slander me? Btw, who the hell are you to question anything. What is your big acomplishment or addition to any subject? Just because you post a lot doesnt mean you are some sort of expert. Back to the scammer crap, apparently you don't understand what a scam is. Even if I had been someone trying to promote PV sales and I had something to gain by doing so, where is the scam? There is video evidence of my gains while using PV, so once again where is the scam part of all of this? Your reply is like a child's, there is nothing to support your argument so you just say whatever and leave with a parting shot. Besides all of this, I am not wanting this to be personal. Just don't think that I will sit by and be bullied or discredited without defending myself.
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Well you have the freedom to say whatever it is that you want to say, and I have mine. I stand by mine's, you stand by your's, so there you have it. People will have their's.
Note I said "it usually means" - maybe this wasn't the case. But honestly, just because you talk a lot that doesn't mean I'm going to change my first reaction to seeing that answer. But it doesn't matter.
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Whatever man. Too much talking.
Maybe I'm "scammer" paranoid, but I honestly thought (and still do, but... yeah, I still do) that that answer was put in that way just to raise curiosity. When the answer is delivered in general terms, it usually means "buy the program, you'll find more info there".
I thought about letting it slide, but this is some bs. I have been on these types of forums for 5 or 6 years, I usually just read the posts and leave the coaches to do their thing. In all of the posts I have ever made on any of the forums, have I ever linked to anything other than my youtube for the occasional progress video? Have I ever tried to sell anything at all? when you are done thinking of a comeback, the answer is no. So just because you have a problem with the way I worded an answer to a question posed by NOT YOU, you think that you have grounds to slander me? Btw, who the hell are you to question anything. What is your big acomplishment or addition to any subject? Just because you post a lot doesnt mean you are some sort of expert. Back to the scammer crap, apparently you don't understand what a scam is. Even if I had been someone trying to promote PV sales and I had something to gain by doing so, where is the scam? There is video evidence of my gains while using PV, so once again where is the scam part of all of this? Your reply is like a child's, there is nothing to support your argument so you just say whatever and leave with a parting shot. Besides all of this, I am not wanting this to be personal. Just don't think that I will sit by and be bullied or discredited without defending myself.
just to be clear on my post...i don't think you're a scammer...i just didn't know who you are etc....seeing your progress video is pretty amazing man...and i thought the way you responded to the question asked was fine hahaha nothing scammish about it
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just to be clear on my post...i don't think you're a scammer...i just didn't know who you are etc....seeing your progress video is pretty amazing man...and i thought the way you responded to the question asked was fine hahaha nothing scammish about it
lol thanks man, just trying to help.
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i think the previous few pages can be summed up like this:
raptor asked a question, and got a response he perceived to be "cloaked in secrecy" to promote project vertical. If i had not known cskin at all, perhaps I might have thought the same initially. Had raptor followed up with a question about specifics, cskin would have easily answered, that is what completely separates him from anyone shady. Most of us consider cskin very legit, and he definitely has no real stake in becoming a "vert program scammer", he's an engineer who just loves to train. He's just very humble about his results, actually too humble imo, would love to see more from him, which seems like we might just be getting that in the near future, he needs to brag a bit more and show people all of his hard work he's put in over the years, it does nothing but motivate others :) I remember him crushing some dunks way back on tvs, but nothing like he's doing now... He's definitely jumping higher than ever & deserves lots of respect for his dedication to athletic improvement.
pC