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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1095 on: April 05, 2016, 12:38:30 pm »
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Back in high school I would jump the highest after doing "warm up and gymnastics" stuff for 50 minutes. I would be extraordinarily tired yet jump like crazy (but I was light, at 67 kg).

Now I probably jump the highest after 1 or 2 aggressive games of 3 on 3 (I rarely if ever play 5 on 5, I have no place/nobody to play with). Whenever I play 5 on 5 I feel so reactive, so much blood in my legs - I bet if I would play 5 on 5 consistently I wouldn't even need too much plyo work, except for actual jumps.

But I think the heavier you are, the more the jumps need to come "first" - or else by the time you get to jumping you'll be tired, your legs will be filled with blood and you'll be "muscle-bound", not reactive.

At least this is my experience with this so far.

Well, I am heavier than you and I need just as much damn warmup...  I actually jump best after about 3 games of 5v5 or 1 full league game when I am covered in sweat.   I did do an experiment the other day and weighed before and after playing about 3-5 games and went from 218 to 207...  so maybe it's not the warmup but the massive loss in water?  I will give the sauna a try and see if I can get the weight loss without the fatigue and jump even higher...

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« Reply #1096 on: April 05, 2016, 12:42:30 pm »
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oh yeah that was a good routine. didn't help me jump higher, though. might it be worth getting away from the track for a while, because it's been the site of some discouragement for you? like focus on weights and SVJ for a bit, go full kingfish?

t0ddday put RVJ last for me, as well, and after trying it that way a few times i just ignored the instruction and put it after warm up and skater hops or MB OH throws. it helps to have one or two exercises to get firing but then RVJ should be done un-fatigued.

As much as going full kingfish is tempting I'll try to do it as written initially. Despite the crap season, I really like running and training at the track and it would keep me in touch as least.

rvj is last half for convenience, half because athletes jump higher last.  it all depends on your work capacity and muscle mass.

OK I'll give it a try. When's your site going up btw? Very keen to check it out.

We have a site in testing. You can check out our instagram: 
 

Don't worry about when you do the jumps.  LBSS does them earlier because he jumps higher that way.  That's the only rule.  Do the jumps when you jump highest.   The reason I like them last and a lot of athletes jump best when very very warm and sweaty (see raptor and my posts) and a easy weight circuit and hip activation takes care of this AND I trained a lot of athletes to jump where the gym and bball court were separated - so we would do gym THEN court.  It was a pain to do gym, court, gym.   I prefer gym then court (with jumps) because I think squatting after bball conditioning is worse.   If you don't have this need for convenience you need to get a lot of volume of very high jumps however you can...

So what program are you going to be copying exactly?   And how bad are the achilles? 

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1097 on: April 05, 2016, 11:22:46 pm »
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oh yeah that was a good routine. didn't help me jump higher, though. might it be worth getting away from the track for a while, because it's been the site of some discouragement for you? like focus on weights and SVJ for a bit, go full kingfish?

t0ddday put RVJ last for me, as well, and after trying it that way a few times i just ignored the instruction and put it after warm up and skater hops or MB OH throws. it helps to have one or two exercises to get firing but then RVJ should be done un-fatigued.

As much as going full kingfish is tempting I'll try to do it as written initially. Despite the crap season, I really like running and training at the track and it would keep me in touch as least.

rvj is last half for convenience, half because athletes jump higher last.  it all depends on your work capacity and muscle mass.

OK I'll give it a try. When's your site going up btw? Very keen to check it out.

We have a site in testing. You can check out our instagram: 
 

Don't worry about when you do the jumps.  LBSS does them earlier because he jumps higher that way.  That's the only rule.  Do the jumps when you jump highest.   The reason I like them last and a lot of athletes jump best when very very warm and sweaty (see raptor and my posts) and a easy weight circuit and hip activation takes care of this AND I trained a lot of athletes to jump where the gym and bball court were separated - so we would do gym THEN court.  It was a pain to do gym, court, gym.   I prefer gym then court (with jumps) because I think squatting after bball conditioning is worse.   If you don't have this need for convenience you need to get a lot of volume of very high jumps however you can...

So what program are you going to be copying exactly?   And how bad are the achilles?

This one:



I'll update the weights when I get a feel for where I'm at over the next few weeks. I decided to lighten the second gym session a bit weights-wise because it'll be on the weekend and I may be able to do more jumps then. But I'll see how it goes. There's a spot where I can do SVJ/DSVJ reliably though I think. I also might be able to get shed access at the track to get a shotput and tape measure. That'd be sweet.

Schedule would be [MON: rest // TUE: Track#1 // WED: Gym#1 // THURS: Track#2 // FRI: Yoga // SAT/SUN: Gym#2]

One thing that could change things a little is that some of my aths mates want to play in a bball comp at my gym, which would be pretty fun. The standard is not anything near what I used to play at, just hacks messing around mostly. If they get in it'd be on Mondays, so in that case I'd maybe attenuate the track session the next day (just shot tosses/tempo, less jumps). Would be good to get some pre-game jumps/dunk attempts in. I couldn't care less how I play though lol, just in it for the hops!

The achilles bursitis is feeling OK atm. I'm really wondering if my shoes were giving me issues over the last 6 months. I got some Nike Zoom waffle racers (cross country flats) to train in around August/September to replace my trusty Nike Free 3.0's that had holes in them. I seemed to get this issue roughly around then. The other day I played some pickup ball in some Nike Free 5.0's that I have, and the next day was expecting to wake up in pain, but weirdly it was fine. Hm, something to note. But overall, better.

P.S. Site looks awesome btw! Pretty cool to be training NBA players.
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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1098 on: April 06, 2016, 09:18:03 am »
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Back in high school I would jump the highest after doing "warm up and gymnastics" stuff for 50 minutes. I would be extraordinarily tired yet jump like crazy (but I was light, at 67 kg).

Now I probably jump the highest after 1 or 2 aggressive games of 3 on 3 (I rarely if ever play 5 on 5, I have no place/nobody to play with). Whenever I play 5 on 5 I feel so reactive, so much blood in my legs - I bet if I would play 5 on 5 consistently I wouldn't even need too much plyo work, except for actual jumps.

But I think the heavier you are, the more the jumps need to come "first" - or else by the time you get to jumping you'll be tired, your legs will be filled with blood and you'll be "muscle-bound", not reactive.

At least this is my experience with this so far.

Yep mine too, I think we have discussed this before. I wonder if it's just increased adrenaline. Either way it's hard to replicate outside of playing ball.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1099 on: April 06, 2016, 09:53:40 am »
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No, my bet would be on the viscosity of the joints and stuff like that. Being very plyometric and very weak, that's of paramount importance. Probably after all that warmup the body temperature reaches a point where it's optimal for "plyometric work" so to speak. from the standpoint of structural factors (viscosity, tendon properties and stuff like that).

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« Reply #1100 on: April 06, 2016, 10:54:21 pm »
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oh yeah that was a good routine. didn't help me jump higher, though. might it be worth getting away from the track for a while, because it's been the site of some discouragement for you? like focus on weights and SVJ for a bit, go full kingfish?

t0ddday put RVJ last for me, as well, and after trying it that way a few times i just ignored the instruction and put it after warm up and skater hops or MB OH throws. it helps to have one or two exercises to get firing but then RVJ should be done un-fatigued.

As much as going full kingfish is tempting I'll try to do it as written initially. Despite the crap season, I really like running and training at the track and it would keep me in touch as least.

rvj is last half for convenience, half because athletes jump higher last.  it all depends on your work capacity and muscle mass.

OK I'll give it a try. When's your site going up btw? Very keen to check it out.

We have a site in testing. You can check out our instagram: 
 

Don't worry about when you do the jumps.  LBSS does them earlier because he jumps higher that way.  That's the only rule.  Do the jumps when you jump highest.   The reason I like them last and a lot of athletes jump best when very very warm and sweaty (see raptor and my posts) and a easy weight circuit and hip activation takes care of this AND I trained a lot of athletes to jump where the gym and bball court were separated - so we would do gym THEN court.  It was a pain to do gym, court, gym.   I prefer gym then court (with jumps) because I think squatting after bball conditioning is worse.   If you don't have this need for convenience you need to get a lot of volume of very high jumps however you can...

So what program are you going to be copying exactly?   And how bad are the achilles?

This one:



I'll update the weights when I get a feel for where I'm at over the next few weeks. I decided to lighten the second gym session a bit weights-wise because it'll be on the weekend and I may be able to do more jumps then. But I'll see how it goes. There's a spot where I can do SVJ/DSVJ reliably though I think. I also might be able to get shed access at the track to get a shotput and tape measure. That'd be sweet.

Schedule would be [MON: rest // TUE: Track#1 // WED: Gym#1 // THURS: Track#2 // FRI: Yoga // SAT/SUN: Gym#2]

One thing that could change things a little is that some of my aths mates want to play in a bball comp at my gym, which would be pretty fun. The standard is not anything near what I used to play at, just hacks messing around mostly. If they get in it'd be on Mondays, so in that case I'd maybe attenuate the track session the next day (just shot tosses/tempo, less jumps). Would be good to get some pre-game jumps/dunk attempts in. I couldn't care less how I play though lol, just in it for the hops!

The achilles bursitis is feeling OK atm. I'm really wondering if my shoes were giving me issues over the last 6 months. I got some Nike Zoom waffle racers (cross country flats) to train in around August/September to replace my trusty Nike Free 3.0's that had holes in them. I seemed to get this issue roughly around then. The other day I played some pickup ball in some Nike Free 5.0's that I have, and the next day was expecting to wake up in pain, but weirdly it was fine. Hm, something to note. But overall, better.

P.S. Site looks awesome btw! Pretty cool to be training NBA players.

is that a Joel smith program?? he never gets volume right.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1101 on: April 06, 2016, 11:27:28 pm »
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That's the program you wrote for LBSS in this thread (http://www.adarq.org/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/stole-acole14's-program-and-adapted-it-for-myself-thoughts/15/) that I used, I might have misread your instructions on it though in terms of reps. What would you suggest now?

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« Reply #1102 on: April 06, 2016, 11:47:17 pm »
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That's the program you wrote for LBSS in this thread (http://www.adarq.org/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/stole-acole14's-program-and-adapted-it-for-myself-thoughts/15/) that I used, I might have misread your instructions on it though in terms of reps. What would you suggest now?

Well in that case its excellent!  Lol.  Thats embarrassing.  Im surprised I would recommend woodchoppers, not becayae they are bad just it isnt a name I am familiar with.  Because of your track background I would recommend more bounding and sprinting.  Ill write soon.

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« Reply #1103 on: April 07, 2016, 09:21:27 am »
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That's the program you wrote for LBSS in this thread (http://www.adarq.org/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/stole-acole14's-program-and-adapted-it-for-myself-thoughts/15/) that I used, I might have misread your instructions on it though in terms of reps. What would you suggest now?

Well in that case its excellent!  Lol.  Thats embarrassing.  Im surprised I would recommend woodchoppers, not becayae they are bad just it isnt a name I am familiar with.  Because of your track background I would recommend more bounding and sprinting.  Ill write soon.

Ha! It's funny when you don't remember writing stuff...happens all the time in academia as you'd know. I just put woodchoppers in because it's an easy rotational core exercise to do, which is something my myo recommended (he's also a sprinter/coach). Also do med ball twists sometimes. But that stuff is very flexible. Cool, will wait to hear what you think, I'm not in a rush to start it. Thanks mate!

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« Reply #1104 on: April 07, 2016, 09:56:52 am »
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That's the program you wrote for LBSS in this thread (http://www.adarq.org/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/stole-acole14's-program-and-adapted-it-for-myself-thoughts/15/) that I used, I might have misread your instructions on it though in terms of reps. What would you suggest now?

Well in that case its excellent!  Lol.  Thats embarrassing.  Im surprised I would recommend woodchoppers, not becayae they are bad just it isnt a name I am familiar with.  Because of your track background I would recommend more bounding and sprinting.  Ill write soon.

Ha! It's funny when you don't remember writing stuff...happens all the time in academia as you'd know. I just put woodchoppers in because it's an easy rotational core exercise to do, which is something my myo recommended (he's also a sprinter/coach). Also do med ball twists sometimes. But that stuff is very flexible. Cool, will wait to hear what you think, I'm not in a rush to start it. Thanks mate!

What do you think of twisting landmines?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTW1dKqq1Kg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTW1dKqq1Kg</a>

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« Reply #1105 on: April 08, 2016, 03:03:58 am »
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That's the program you wrote for LBSS in this thread (http://www.adarq.org/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/stole-acole14's-program-and-adapted-it-for-myself-thoughts/15/) that I used, I might have misread your instructions on it though in terms of reps. What would you suggest now?

Well in that case its excellent!  Lol.  Thats embarrassing.  Im surprised I would recommend woodchoppers, not becayae they are bad just it isnt a name I am familiar with.  Because of your track background I would recommend more bounding and sprinting.  Ill write soon.

Ha! It's funny when you don't remember writing stuff...happens all the time in academia as you'd know. I just put woodchoppers in because it's an easy rotational core exercise to do, which is something my myo recommended (he's also a sprinter/coach). Also do med ball twists sometimes. But that stuff is very flexible. Cool, will wait to hear what you think, I'm not in a rush to start it. Thanks mate!

What do you think of twisting landmines?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTW1dKqq1Kg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTW1dKqq1Kg</a>

I think they look pretty good! Definitely something you should do if you get back to the gym for your back.

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« Reply #1106 on: April 08, 2016, 03:10:26 am »
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I've just been going to the gym every second day and just doing a row, warming up, doing some O-lifting stuff (front squats, push press, hang cleans with 40kgs) and then rehab stuff. Today the court was free so I just shot around after my row warmup. I got pretty warm so I just tried a few SVJs and DSVJs. They were actually not so bad. Got about 33'' or so for my best DSVJ:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-duTTb0QGo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-duTTb0QGo</a>

That's OK for a baseline. Looking forward to doing more vertical training soon!  :ibsquatting: + :ibrunning::ibjumping:

Edit: Someone might have pointed this out already but I just realised that the little squatting gif looks just like this guy:

« Last Edit: April 08, 2016, 03:19:04 am by acole14 »

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« Reply #1107 on: April 08, 2016, 04:44:33 am »
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Haha, nice find.

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« Reply #1108 on: April 08, 2016, 05:14:13 am »
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ya DamienZ made both the dunk icon and squat icon IIRC.. and that's the video it was taken from, the bulgarians squatting - ironmind training hall video.

(hope I didn't get that wrong about the gif, I know he made the dunk one though)

the running one I found online, which was surprising considering how good it is.

nice jump. that court looks like it has good lighting? love good lighting in a wood floor bball gym.

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« Reply #1109 on: April 08, 2016, 06:10:11 am »
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He looked at the ground, though, just like me and scooby naturally do. I guess a sign of quad dominance.