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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1110 on: April 10, 2016, 04:59:40 am »
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That's the program you wrote for LBSS in this thread (http://www.adarq.org/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/stole-acole14's-program-and-adapted-it-for-myself-thoughts/15/) that I used, I might have misread your instructions on it though in terms of reps. What would you suggest now?

Well in that case its excellent!  Lol.  Thats embarrassing.  Im surprised I would recommend woodchoppers, not becayae they are bad just it isnt a name I am familiar with.  Because of your track background I would recommend more bounding and sprinting.  Ill write soon.


Ha! It's funny when you don't remember writing stuff...happens all the time in academia as you'd know. I just put woodchoppers in because it's an easy rotational core exercise to do, which is something my myo recommended (he's also a sprinter/coach). Also do med ball twists sometimes. But that stuff is very flexible. Cool, will wait to hear what you think, I'm not in a rush to start it. Thanks mate!

Tbh I do forget the ability levels of everyone here, but I think you are a sprinter?  What would be best is if you can fill out this form and I can get back to you better given your ability:

For the one footed bounds start with front foot at take off line and back foot behind it, do not run in with speed but do not do a one footed take off either.  For sprint times take a video with any timing tool and film from 1st movement till chest past marker.  If you have FAT times you can subtract 0.2 and list those as well.  If you don't have any experience with it then try and and test yourself:

Standing Vertical Jump
Double-Leg Running Vertical Jump
Single-Leg Running Vertical Jump
Standing Broad Jump
Three Consecutive Broad Jumps
Five Single Leg Left Leg Bounds
Five Single Leg Right Leg Bounds
Five Alternating Leg Bounds
Forty Yard Dash
60 meter sprint
100 meter sprint
200 meter sprint
Flying 30 meter sprint
Full Back Squat
Parallel Back Squat
Barbell Bench Press
Standing Barbell Push Press
Barbell Deadlift
Strict Overhead Pullups till Failure
Pushups Completed in 30 seconds
Bodyweight Leg Raises till failure

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1111 on: April 10, 2016, 08:13:41 am »
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That's the program you wrote for LBSS in this thread (http://www.adarq.org/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/stole-acole14's-program-and-adapted-it-for-myself-thoughts/15/) that I used, I might have misread your instructions on it though in terms of reps. What would you suggest now?

Well in that case its excellent!  Lol.  Thats embarrassing.  Im surprised I would recommend woodchoppers, not becayae they are bad just it isnt a name I am familiar with.  Because of your track background I would recommend more bounding and sprinting.  Ill write soon.


Ha! It's funny when you don't remember writing stuff...happens all the time in academia as you'd know. I just put woodchoppers in because it's an easy rotational core exercise to do, which is something my myo recommended (he's also a sprinter/coach). Also do med ball twists sometimes. But that stuff is very flexible. Cool, will wait to hear what you think, I'm not in a rush to start it. Thanks mate!

Tbh I do forget the ability levels of everyone here, but I think you are a sprinter?  What would be best is if you can fill out this form and I can get back to you better given your ability:

For the one footed bounds start with front foot at take off line and back foot behind it, do not run in with speed but do not do a one footed take off either.  For sprint times take a video with any timing tool and film from 1st movement till chest past marker.  If you have FAT times you can subtract 0.2 and list those as well.  If you don't have any experience with it then try and and test yourself:

Standing Vertical Jump
Double-Leg Running Vertical Jump
Single-Leg Running Vertical Jump
Standing Broad Jump
Three Consecutive Broad Jumps
Five Single Leg Left Leg Bounds
Five Single Leg Right Leg Bounds
Five Alternating Leg Bounds
Forty Yard Dash
60 meter sprint
100 meter sprint
200 meter sprint
Flying 30 meter sprint
Full Back Squat
Parallel Back Squat
Barbell Bench Press
Standing Barbell Push Press
Barbell Deadlift
Strict Overhead Pullups till Failure
Pushups Completed in 30 seconds
Bodyweight Leg Raises till failure

Yes I have been doing sprint training to help with vertical and also for the fun of getting back to my old times. Which hasn't happened yet but I will give it another crack in summer. For now I just want to get stronger and dunk finally!

Thanks a lot, I'll test everything you mentioned, some of the sprint times I have recent enough times for planning purposes:

Standing Vertical Jump --> 31.5''
Double-Leg Running Vertical Jump --> 34''
Single-Leg Running Vertical Jump --> 33'' (could maybe go 1-2'' higher, didn't want to push my L achilles too much)
Standing Broad Jump --> 2.90m
Three Consecutive Broad Jumps --> 9.05m
Five Single Leg Left Leg Bounds --> 12.15m (achilles again)
Five Single Leg Right Leg Bounds --> 12.75m
Five Alternating Leg Bounds --> 13.40m
Forty Yard Dash --> ...
60 meter sprint --> ~7.6-7.7sec (about a month ago, approximated from a 63m 8.0sec)
100 meter sprint --> ~12.1sec (about a month ago)
200 meter sprint --> ~25sec (October 2015), probably 25.5sec right now
Flying 30 meter sprint --> ~3.15
Full Back Squat --> 140kgs
Parallel Back Squat --> 160kgs
Barbell Bench Press --> 95kgs
Standing Barbell Push Press --> 60kgs x 5 (predicted 1RM ~65kgs)
Barbell Deadlift --> 120kgs x 5
Strict Overhead Pullups till Failure --> 18 (previous best: 23)
Pushups Completed in 30 seconds --> 41
Bodyweight Leg Raises till failure --> 24 (I did hanging leg raises from the chinup bar...not sure if this is what you meant).
« Last Edit: April 17, 2016, 09:25:51 am by acole14 »

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1112 on: April 17, 2016, 09:25:14 am »
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Hey T0ddday, completed all (or most of) the tests, updated the page above. Did them over about 3 gym sessions and one track. Knee was bothering me a little bit again after the gyms but mostly OK now. Achilles is pretty much fine.

Edit: I just read that you said not to do a one footed take off for the bounds...well, I did exactly that lol. That's how we used to test them, from standing. So I probably could have gone a little further (not much though).
« Last Edit: April 17, 2016, 09:28:12 am by acole14 »

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1113 on: April 19, 2016, 05:45:26 am »
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comprehensive testing ftw ^^

those hanging leg raises are actually pretty impressive.. 24 hanging from pullup bar? to me that's pretty beast.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1114 on: April 19, 2016, 06:02:51 am »
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comprehensive testing ftw ^^

those hanging leg raises are actually pretty impressive.. 24 hanging from pullup bar? to me that's pretty beast.

pc!

I'd actually already been doing them for the last month or so, sets of 10 between my squat sets. It's a bit easier than straight hanging because I can steady my body against the squat bar to stop swaying...cheating a little bit  :ninja:

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1115 on: May 03, 2016, 01:08:10 am »
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At the moment I'm just waiting for T0ddday to write me up something. In the meantime I've just been going to the gym 2-3x a week doing nothing much in particular and playing ball/jumping on either Sat/Sun. My jumps are pretty good once I get warm...hitting 34'' pretty consistently off one step. Haven't really tried much RVJs yet.

Had our first 'game' last night and given that it was half the team's first ever competitive match we predictably lost. I didn't play so well in some regards (mostly shooting (1-6), offense) but had some nice blocks, few assists and generally jetted around the clumsy footy players we played against. I just couldn't finish any layups because my rim radar has just evaporated - as soon as I get inside I was just flinging up rubbish. But overall it was pretty fun. Unfortunately I took a charge early in the game and landed on my left hip and it's fucking sore today! Probably can't squat later, but it'll heal up fine. I should have just stepped out of it but the old instincts took over. I used to take about a charge per game once I figured out how to fall properly.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1116 on: May 03, 2016, 08:07:18 am »
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Also, on shoes: I tried playing in my Nike Waffle Racer XC shoes that I was running in the last 6-9 months (http://startfootball.co.uk/nike-zoom-rival-xc-cross-country-spikes-605506-434.html), which I have been using for pickup games, but they're giving me blisters. Otherwise they are fine and I move and jump well in them...but I'm thinking of investing in a decent basketball/jumping shoe just for the added reach over my current shoes that lift my reach by only a few cm’s. I tried my old basketball shoes on but they feel like running in cinder blocks – can’t believe I used to wear them! I love flat shoes for pretty much everything nowadays. From browsing a bit online it seems that most bball shoes are pretty much the same massive super high-cut glorified ankle braces with shoes built around them. I like the Kobe XI because it's low cut and has good reviews but it’s too expensive. The new Hyperlive actually looks like it’s more minimalist and not so pricey:



In my dreams I’d try this one, Vivobarefoot Motus:


But no chance of getting it for less than $220AUD. It’s really hard to get specialist shoes here.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1117 on: May 03, 2016, 09:01:44 am »
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i've also been digging ultralight tennis shoes for jumping. might be good for bball, too: they're flat and wide like basketball shoes but much lighter. i have a couple pairs of lotto quarantas and may get another soon because i'm wearing the tread down on one of them.
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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1118 on: May 04, 2016, 10:17:23 am »
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i've also been digging ultralight tennis shoes for jumping. might be good for bball, too: they're flat and wide like basketball shoes but much lighter. i have a couple pairs of lotto quarantas and may get another soon because i'm wearing the tread down on one of them.

That could be good. I'm assuming they'd be fine to play ball in as well. Going to a place tomorrow and will compare the Hyperlive's with whatever tennis shoes they have. Thanks!

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T0ddday came through with a beastly program for me. Should be interesting! T0ddday, I've annotated it with some questions:

Almost Daily Training: (what does this mean? Before every session? Or on off days?)

1) Slant Board Single Leg Pistol Squat to 90  2x15
2) Prone Leg Raise 2x10
3) Prone Glute Kickback 2x10
4) Slant Board Calf Drop/Raise (bent and straight leg) 2x20
5) High Box Bulgarian Modified Squat with Hip Hyperextension
6) Abdominal Lying Leg Raises 2x20 @ 10lbs / Side Plank for time 
7) Weighted Standing Vertical Jumps 2-3 x 5 (for this and all other 'weighted' exercises below: what weight for vest?)
8) Weighted Single Leg Standing Vertical 2x5
9) Weighted 1 Step Vertical Jump (both plants) 2x5
10) Walking vertical jump (both plants) 2x3

Weight Training (2x per week)

Day 1:
1) Banded Box Squat 5x5ladder (eg - if you have 100lb bands this may be 5x225,275,315,335,345)
2) Glute Thrust:  2x15 (barbell or BW?)
3) Decline Abdominal Barbell Situp
4) Push Press 3x8
5) Weighted Pullup 3x8

Day 2:
1) Cable Resisted High Knee to Lunge Step
2) Band Box Squat to heavy single,  Band box squat 10 reps for time (goal should be 10 seconds) (weight for 10 reps/10 sec? 10RM?)
3) Heavy Dumbell Decline Side to Side leg raises (I have a vague idea what this is but not sure...)
4) Deadlift: 5,3,3,1,1
5) BW Pullups/Dips to failure

Track/Field Work:

Day 1:

1) Dynamic Warmup (include straight leg bounding)
2) Medicine Ball Tosses x 15 (measured? Weight?)
3) 5 Broad Jumps
4) 3x3 consecutive double leg jumps (both frog and kangaroo)
5) 3x5 single leg bounds
6) 3x5 alternate leg bounds
7) 3x10 side to side skater jumps
8) Speed Bounds for 50 yards
9) Sprints: 5x20, 4x40, 3x60, 1x80, 1x100
REST
10) 1x300m @ 45 seconds.  30 seconds rest.  1 x 100m

Day 2:

1) Dynamic Warmup (w straight leg bounds)
2) Medicine Ball Tosses x 15
3) 3x6 consecutive double leg jumps (both frog and kangaroo)
4) 3x6 penultimate jumps
5) 2x10 single leg bounds
6) 2x10 alternate leg bounds to speed bounds (sprint)
7) Stride Pattern to 30m and sprint for 20
8) 5 x flying 30m
9) 2x60m
10) 3x2x150m (rep 1 hard curve, rep2 hard straight), 1x150m

Jump Training:

1) SVJ  3x5
2) 1 step single leg jump (3x5)
3) 1 step vertical jump (dominant plant) 3x5
4) 3-5 reps multi-jumps with rebound to target (aim for 5 no more than 10)
5) 5x Broad Jump, Broad Jump, Vertical Jump
6) 3x3 3 step Single Leg Jump
7) 3x3 3 step double leg jump
8) Increase Approach Distance to hit 10-20 maximal vertical jumps
9) 5x3 depth jumps
10) 5x3 band resisted jumps

Everything else seems pretty good. So it's 5 discrete sessions plus daily exercises, some of which I could stack into one day (i.e. weights and daily routine/jumps session). Track days could be by themselves or with gym as well, depending on timing. I'll think about how best to schedule it all, let me know if my thinking is right Mr T! I also have a basketball game now for the next 7 weeks on Mondays...so that might replace a jumps session possibly.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1119 on: May 04, 2016, 12:13:25 pm »
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goals?
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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1120 on: May 04, 2016, 07:17:40 pm »
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i've also been digging ultralight tennis shoes for jumping. might be good for bball, too: they're flat and wide like basketball shoes but much lighter. i have a couple pairs of lotto quarantas and may get another soon because i'm wearing the tread down on one of them.

That could be good. I'm assuming they'd be fine to play ball in as well. Going to a place tomorrow and will compare the Hyperlive's with whatever tennis shoes they have. Thanks!

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T0ddday came through with a beastly program for me. Should be interesting! T0ddday, I've annotated it with some questions:

Almost Daily Training: (what does this mean? Before every session? Or on off days?)


7) Weighted Standing Vertical Jumps 2-3 x 5 (for this and all other 'weighted' exercises below: what weight for vest?)

2) Glute Thrust:  2x15 (barbell or BW?)

2) Band Box Squat to heavy single,  Band box squat 10 reps for time (goal should be 10 seconds) (weight for 10 reps/10 sec? 10RM?)
3) Heavy Dumbell Decline Side to Side leg raises (I have a vague idea what this is but not sure...)


Track/Field Work:


2) Medicine Ball Tosses x 15 (measured? Weight?)


Answers:

A) The almost daily training should be done on as many off days as possible.  On a weight day you can do the ADT in the evening.  Include with it mobility work specific to you.  The almost daily training isn't hard, it's basically standard prehab - we work daily glute activation, daily dorsiflexion and calf mobility, daily patella work because the goal is to allow you to have a large jump volume without standard overuse injury.  On jump days you can include the ADT (minus the jumps) as warmups before your jumping or just complete it minus jumps in the evening.

B) Whatever weight vest you can afford and wear daily.  10-15 lbs is good.  You can load up more weights for jumps but IMO not totally necessary.

C) Barbell
D) Pick a weight + bands that allows you to have a challenging time doing 10 reps in 10 seconds.  Go to just parallel or just above to a box and come up (don't worry about completing the rep 100%).  Ideally the bands should make this weight less than half your max.  Here is a video of me doing parallel band squats for 10 reps in 9 seconds.  My 1rep max that day was 500lbs to the box.  I used 225 + black monster bands.  Since I completed 10 reps in under 10 seconds the next week I went up to 245 lbs + black monster bands.  This one will generate some lactate so watch out.  Also there is a learning curve.  If you haven't done this you will be terrible.  So, you might start out with bands + 25lbs and not get it but you will figure it out in a few sessions... You have to keep core really tight during the set or you lose rhythm.  This is my favorite lactate drill for sprinters in cold weather who don't have access to a real track.  If your a glutton for punishment you can do them for higher reps as a finisher...  I have my 400m guys do sets of 15-30 reps and taking between 20-50 seconds.  Seriously pain.  But serious endurance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCVDgqcKfoc


E) Lay on a decline bench opposite (so your hands hold the places that hold your legs).  Hang your legs off with a dumbell between feet.  Raise your legs up for a standard leg raise.  Now raise them in a V so you raise to left and your right hip comes off bench.  Back to center.  Side to side.
F) Whatever weight ball allows you to throw between 10-20 yards.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1121 on: May 04, 2016, 11:39:39 pm »
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^^^ noticed two errors.  First the second day of lifting where you do endurance speed band squats.  The heavy squats to a single should be unbanded.  So, it might look something like this assuming a max of  less than 350.

5x135,225
3x275
2x295
1x315,335

Also on your 5x5 band day you can also do unbanded squats first of your afraid your going to lose your squat... Go up to about 85%. 

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1122 on: May 05, 2016, 12:45:52 am »
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Before you order your vest put it up on here. There are some terrible ones and some decent ones available in Oz. I did find a 20-30kg one which uses iron weights that looked decent compared to the rest, will edit in and link it later
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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1123 on: May 05, 2016, 02:33:58 am »
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Interesting program but where do you fit all that humongous volume???

I would need days to recover after one of those workouts alone.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1124 on: May 05, 2016, 02:44:21 am »
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haha yeah that volume is huge... my knees would simply disintegrate no way I would be able to handle it. and the daily pistols/slant board squats imho add to the stress put on the knee/patella tendons...