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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #5460 on: March 02, 2015, 11:06:14 pm »
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'Heel to butt' is good for distance running? Curious as to why, I would assume it'd just drain your energy unnecessarily. Quads would get some nice stretching though

sure, when the distance is still short to middle. That recovery leg action helps drive the opposite leg down/hip extension etc. quads/hip flexors need to have some decent flexibility though so that there's less 'resistance' in flexing the recovery leg. hamstrings don't have to work as hard either. You can hold sprint mechanics for a 5k for example.

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« Reply #5461 on: March 03, 2015, 12:37:15 am »
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calfs are WRECKED!@$!@$!@ can barely walk.. but at least it's a 'workout' soreness so far, rather than a damage + soreness + aches feeling.

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« Reply #5462 on: March 03, 2015, 03:32:07 am »
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So when do you know you reached lactic acid threshold? Is it a matter of distance, intensity or both? Do you feel it, or do you just know it from the numbers? Is it that burn that spreads in your quads while you put effort? ( this is so very familiar in prolonged non-stop skiing downhills ).
I like to get into running again now that the weather improves. But i am not into long distances, i like to do a mile at ~80%, and then either tempos ( something like 10-15x100m ) or max sprints ( about 5 max-out runs, distances varying from 80m to 300m ). But a longer run seems interesting too for aerobic fitness and fat loss, just don't want it to have any consequences at recovery and endurance muscle fiber adaptations. Is 5K at a moderate pace 'safe'?
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #5463 on: March 06, 2015, 01:20:45 am »
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So when do you know you reached lactic acid threshold? Is it a matter of distance, intensity or both? Do you feel it, or do you just know it from the numbers? Is it that burn that spreads in your quads while you put effort? ( this is so very familiar in prolonged non-stop skiing downhills ).
I like to get into running again now that the weather improves. But i am not into long distances, i like to do a mile at ~80%, and then either tempos ( something like 10-15x100m ) or max sprints ( about 5 max-out runs, distances varying from 80m to 300m ). But a longer run seems interesting too for aerobic fitness and fat loss, just don't want it to have any consequences at recovery and endurance muscle fiber adaptations. Is 5K at a moderate pace 'safe'?

yo ! will reply tomorrow.. crazybusy.


03/04/2015

bw = 183
soreness = calfs wrecked!!

3.4 mi run
ng pullups @ 6
pushups @ 34


03/05/2015

bw = 182
soreness = calfs wrecked

3.4 mi run
ng pullups @ 5
pushups @ 30

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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #5464 on: March 06, 2015, 09:54:47 am »
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So when do you know you reached lactic acid threshold? Is it a matter of distance, intensity or both? Do you feel it, or do you just know it from the numbers? Is it that burn that spreads in your quads while you put effort? ( this is so very familiar in prolonged non-stop skiing downhills ).
I like to get into running again now that the weather improves. But i am not into long distances, i like to do a mile at ~80%, and then either tempos ( something like 10-15x100m ) or max sprints ( about 5 max-out runs, distances varying from 80m to 300m ). But a longer run seems interesting too for aerobic fitness and fat loss, just don't want it to have any consequences at recovery and endurance muscle fiber adaptations. Is 5K at a moderate pace 'safe'?

you know the threshold feeling, it's what you said: when your muscles start to burn. if you keep your low-intensity steady-state cardio low-intensity and relatively low volume, you should be fine. and as long as you build up to it slowly. one idea, which i'm considering implementing once the roads and sidewalks here are no longer covered in ice, is a medium-distance run (starting with two miles and building up to 3 or 4) one day a week and extensive tempo or a fartlek one day a week. that overall volume is low enough that i wouldn't be too worried about compromising the gym adaptations.
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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #5465 on: March 08, 2015, 12:28:21 am »
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So when do you know you reached lactic acid threshold? Is it a matter of distance, intensity or both? Do you feel it, or do you just know it from the numbers? Is it that burn that spreads in your quads while you put effort? ( this is so very familiar in prolonged non-stop skiing downhills ).
I like to get into running again now that the weather improves. But i am not into long distances, i like to do a mile at ~80%, and then either tempos ( something like 10-15x100m ) or max sprints ( about 5 max-out runs, distances varying from 80m to 300m ). But a longer run seems interesting too for aerobic fitness and fat loss, just don't want it to have any consequences at recovery and endurance muscle fiber adaptations. Is 5K at a moderate pace 'safe'?

hey vag, sorry for the late reply.. so ya basically like you and LBSS about the burn. When you hit lactic threshold, lactic acid starts to accumulate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactate_threshold. So, it's more a matter of intensity than duration.

Would be nice to have all of my notes/research to back up whether short distance runs are not detrimental to strength/power or not. But basically, they would be detrimental if you made them your primary training focus; every day with less of a focus on strength/power training. If you are getting in a 5k run 3-5x/week, it will have positive effects on body composition/general fitness like you mentioned, so that's a plus. As long as you are getting in your strength/power training, you are not very likely to see significant endurance adaptations to your muscle fibers. That's why 5k a few times a week is good, it's not 'enough' to cause serious adaptations which benefit endurance events; type IIa/b to I fiber transformation etc. You're still hitting those intermediate/fast fibers with more of a stimulus with your strength/power training, so the volume of your distance work is not enough to cause a shift. I used to walk for ~1-2 hours alot back when i dunked, helped me get much leaner and made me feel really good. ~2 hour walks are a pretty significant slow twitch stimulus. If anything, the walking helped my vert more than hurt it. Was a great way to burn some fat, clear my head, relax, drop some water weight, recover cns, etc. ha.

Maybe we should start thinking about it like, "If it feels like a real event instead of an extended warmup, then it's maybe a bit too long of a run." So maybe 1.5mi (~2.5k) etc would be better to start with etc. Eventually 5k should feel fairly easy. For example, if I go outside and warmup for a few minutes then do pushups/pulups, I perform much worse than if I go run ~5k and then do pushups/pullups etc. I feel really loose and ready to go after my 5k runs. If I run for > 1 hour I don't want to do pullups/pushups -> it's too long of an event and that's where the anti power adaptations will really occur.

Give it a try! Just keep an eye on it and really try to see how you feel during your lifting sessions. I imagine you might even feel better with a bit more fitness work. Vert always enjoys body composition changes.

You can also mix in some sprints during your 5k.. it's extremely difficult I think, but feels really good when you do it. It's basically like sprint->walk, instead, it's sprint->light jog. I wouldn't do that for a while though.

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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #5466 on: March 08, 2015, 12:33:03 am »
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mostly unrelated, posting here so i can read later:

http://jap.physiology.org/content/86/5/1527


03/06/2015

bw = 181
soreness = calfs

3.4 mi run: ok
ng pullups: 7
pushups: 30


03/07/2015

bw = 179
soreness = calfs

jump rope: ~5 minutes
3.4 mi run: ok but slow




been running pretty slow lately.. ever since i wrecked my calfs i havn't been able to turn up the speed.. but, i'm also trying to run differently so that's definitely a contributing factor. I can just go back to heel->toe but, I am making some progress on trying to go mid/forefoot so, just need to keep it up.. eventually, if I can maintain the same effort that I can with heel->toe, i'll be running MUCH faster.. just can't bounce with heel->toe.

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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #5467 on: March 08, 2015, 07:27:38 am »
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Ah, very useful.
Def not up for mixed sprints with runs yet. My plan was mile+sprints one day and longer run the other, not sure if I can fit a third running day. Building it up for sure, last time I tried to do 5k I gave up at 3, lol. 2.5k seems a good starting point.
Thanks a lot!  :highfive:
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #5468 on: March 08, 2015, 11:49:43 pm »
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np!


03/08/2015

bw = 178
soreness = calfs

run: 3.4 mi
pushups: 30
ng pullups: 7

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« Reply #5469 on: March 10, 2015, 12:56:28 am »
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03/09/2015

bw = 178
soreness = calfs

run: 3.4 mi, decent
ng pullups: BW @ 7

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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #5470 on: March 10, 2015, 09:24:55 am »
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Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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« Reply #5471 on: March 10, 2015, 09:48:59 am »
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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« Reply #5473 on: March 11, 2015, 12:39:53 am »
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03/10/2015

bw = 179
soreness = calfs

run: 3.4 mi, decent


tired as fUK!@$

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« Reply #5474 on: March 12, 2015, 11:22:43 pm »
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03/11/2015

bw = 180
soreness = calfs

run: 3.4 mi, decent


picking up some speed in 'new' (nearer to proper) style




03/12/2015

bw = 180
soreness = calfs

run: 3.4 mi, faster than previous runs