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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #7740 on: January 06, 2018, 07:21:00 pm »
+3
funny.. just noticed, I did 1500 ft elevation all of last year (2017). I've doubled that in one week of 2018 doing some hills. LMFAO.

all of 2017: 1,588 ft
first week of 2018: 3,228 ft

:trolldance: :trolldance: :trolldance:






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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #7741 on: January 06, 2018, 07:55:39 pm »
+2
rest/walk.

01/06/2018

bw = 145
bw before bed last night = ?
soreness = none
aches/injuries = back of right neck moderate (disappear when i started walking hard) - lmao
cramping = none
morning quad flexibility = loose
morning hamstring flexibility = loose
morning calf flexibility = slightly tight (left more so)
feel = good

wakeup = 09:30 AM (slept in,  :pissed:)

log:
10:00 AM: food: shredded wheat + honey + almond milk, banana, water
11:00 AM: workout: fast walk, legs strong: 9.4 miles (876ft elev) @ 2 x flat (grass, 13:54, 12:5), 3 x hill #1 (16-17:XX, best=16:43), 1 x hill #2 (18:41, steeper), 2 x flat (grass, 14:XX) - fastest walking mile on grass
02:00 PM: food: 3 x banana, almond milk, lots of water
04:30 PM: food: a bunch of orange chicken, sea salt pita chips + variety pack hummus, brie and crackers, lots of water
07:30 PM: food: banana, almond milk, water
09:15 PM: food: banana, almond milk, water


stretch:
icing:
self massage:
leg drain:
contrast showers:
naps:

workout: fast walk, legs strong: 9.4 miles (876ft elev) @ 2 x flat (grass, 13:54, 12:59 :personal-record:), 3 x hill #1 (16-17:XX, best=16:43), 1 x hill #2 (18:41, steeper), 2 x flat (grass, 14:XX) - fastest walking mile on grass
- https://www.strava.com/activities/1344026234

legs seem adapted to walking these hills already. hehe. will mix running/walking them next week.




Monthly Tracker: 2018

January (01), 2018

TODO:

Bodyweight: [(01,146),(02,146),(03,144),(04,145),(05,144),(06,145)]
- FORMAT: (day, weight in lbs)

Total Jumps per leg: []
- FORMAT: (day, # of jumps per leg)
- per leg total:

Max SLRVJ Touch: []
- FORMAT: (day, touch height in ft'inches")
- L-SLRVJ:
- R-SLRVJ:

Total speed interval distance: []
- FORMAT: (day, total speed interval distance in meters)
- total:

Max run speed (mph)/pace (min/mi): []
- FORMAT: (day, mph max, pace max in minutes per mile)

Resting HR: []
- FORMAT: (day, minutes for this test, average hr, minimum hr)

PR's: []

Races: []
- FORMAT: (day, distance, official, watch)

Soreness: [(01,"none"),(02,"none"),(03,"none"),(04,"none"),(05,"none"),(06,"none")]
- FORMAT: (day, overall soreness, specifics)

Aches/Injuries: [(01,"upper back a little from yesterday (started hurting a few hours after the race) - but disappeared as the day went on (today)"),(02,"none"),(03,"left knee a little, right upper back (around 11 PM) - the thing from sunday"),(04,"none"),(05,"left knee slightly (probably from locking my knees out :D)"),(06,"back of right neck moderate (disappear when i started walking hard) - lmao")]
- FORMAT: (day, specifics)

Morning Quad Flexibility: [(01,"loose"),(02,"loose"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"loose")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Morning Hamstring Flexibility: [(01,"loose"),(02,"loose"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"loose")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Morning Calf Flexibility: [(01,"tight (left more-so)"),(02,"tight (left more-so)"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"slightly tight (left more-so)")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Cramping: []
- FORMAT: (day, symptom)

Wakeup: [(01,09:30AM,9.5),(02,06:30AM,7),(03,07:30AM,8.5),(04,05:45AM,7),(05,06:00AM,7.5),(06,09:30AM,9.5)]
- FORMAT: (day, wakeup time, hours slept)

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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #7742 on: January 07, 2018, 11:04:14 am »
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complete rest.

legs feel crazy good, except for that spot on my left calf.. feel it a little.


01/07/2018

bw = 146
bw before bed last night = ?
soreness = calves slightly
aches/injuries = ankles achy slightly
cramping = none
morning quad flexibility = loose
morning hamstring flexibility = loose
morning calf flexibility = slightly
feel = good

wakeup = 07:30 AM (slept in, :wowthatwasnutswtf:)

log:
08:00 AM: food: shredded wheat + honey + almond milk, banana, lots of water
01:00 PM: food: sauteed yam in olive oil/pink sea salt, goat cheese chicken wrap, tons of water
02:00 PM: nap: 1 hour
06:00 PM: food: sea salt pita chips, variety pack hummus, water
06:30 PM: massage: some light calf massage (L & R), shouldn't have done it but did anyway
07:30 PM: food: banana, almond milk, water

stretch:
icing:
self massage:
06:30 PM: massage: some light calf massage (L & R), shouldn't have done it but did anyway

leg drain:
contrast showers:
naps:
02:00 PM: nap: 1 hour




Monthly Tracker: 2018

January (01), 2018

TODO:

Bodyweight: [(01,146),(02,146),(03,144),(04,145),(05,144),(06,145),(07,146)]
- FORMAT: (day, weight in lbs)

Total Jumps per leg: []
- FORMAT: (day, # of jumps per leg)
- per leg total:

Max SLRVJ Touch: []
- FORMAT: (day, touch height in ft'inches")
- L-SLRVJ:
- R-SLRVJ:

Total speed interval distance: []
- FORMAT: (day, total speed interval distance in meters)
- total:

Max run speed (mph)/pace (min/mi): []
- FORMAT: (day, mph max, pace max in minutes per mile)

Resting HR: []
- FORMAT: (day, minutes for this test, average hr, minimum hr)

PR's: []

Races: []
- FORMAT: (day, distance, official, watch)

Soreness: [(01,"none"),(02,"none"),(03,"none"),(04,"none"),(05,"none"),(06,"none"),(07,"calves slightly")]
- FORMAT: (day, overall soreness, specifics)

Aches/Injuries: [(01,"upper back a little from yesterday (started hurting a few hours after the race) - but disappeared as the day went on (today)"),(02,"none"),(03,"left knee a little, right upper back (around 11 PM) - the thing from sunday"),(04,"none"),(05,"left knee slightly (probably from locking my knees out :D)"),(06,"back of right neck moderate (disappear when i started walking hard) - lmao"),(07,"ankles achy slightly")]
- FORMAT: (day, specifics)

Morning Quad Flexibility: [(01,"loose"),(02,"loose"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"loose"),(07,"loose")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Morning Hamstring Flexibility: [(01,"loose"),(02,"loose"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"loose"),(07,"loose")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Morning Calf Flexibility: [(01,"tight (left more-so)"),(02,"tight (left more-so)"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"slightly tight (left more-so)"),(07,"slightly tight")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Cramping: []
- FORMAT: (day, symptom)

Wakeup: [(01,09:30AM,9.5),(02,06:30AM,7),(03,07:30AM,8.5),(04,05:45AM,7),(05,06:00AM,7.5),(06,09:30AM,9.5),(07,07:30AM,8)]
- FORMAT: (day, wakeup time, hours slept)



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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #7745 on: January 08, 2018, 12:24:18 pm »
+3
My dad wanted to see what he could run in a 5k today .. so i ran (and walked while he ran LMFAO) with him. He got 44:10 at almost 70 (in a few days). He wanted to know how fast other guys his age ran it at some of these races, so I checked one of the big races:

1st place in 70-74 for the 2017 Tamarac Turkey Trot was 21:53 @ 7:03 min/mi pace............... ahaha. That's serious. Guy is 74 too.

He thought he was going to get like 30 minutes so, he was humbled. During the first mile he's like, "what's our pace?", and I go, "you sure you want to know"? It was 16:XX min/mi pace at that point haha.

Anyway, he's got some good form when he picks up the pace/tries to push it. So he could probably make a ton of progress and get some top3's in 70-74 if he wants. He hit 9 min/mi pace a few times and it looked good, but you can tell it was creating lots of acid.

He's in decent shape from tennis though. I'd say he's petty athletic for 70 that's for sure.

 :trolldance: :trolldance: :trolldance:

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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #7746 on: January 08, 2018, 12:57:57 pm »
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man fu*k UPS. :ninja: :trollface:

Scheduled Delivery:
Wednesday, 01/10/2018 , By End of Day

Last Location:
Arrived - Hialeah, FL, United States, Sunday, 01/07/2018


They (spikes) are like 50 miles from me, since Sunday. Bastards.

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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #7747 on: January 08, 2018, 02:08:11 pm »
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crazy how that light calf massage wrecked my calves so much for today.. weird shit going on when I "touch my calves".. feh.

NO MORE TOUCHING MY CALVES OR EVEN STRETCHING THEM. :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed:

only been doing this recently and they've gotten worse since I started messing with them.. just more evidence I should stick to my "leave sh*t alone" approach.

01/08/2018

bw = 146
bw before bed last night = 151
soreness = calves slightly
aches/injuries = calves achy
cramping = none
morning quad flexibility = loose
morning hamstring flexibility = loose
morning calf flexibility = tight
feel = tired

wakeup = 05:30 AM

log:
05:45 AM: food: oatmeal with honey, banana, water
06:30 AM: workout: (4.3 mi total): my dad (70 years old, tennis player) wanted to try a 5k .. lolol .. 5k @ 44:10 .. he was hurting for mile 3 :D
07:15 AM: food: almond milk
08:30 AM: workout: (10.05 mi total): moderate speed with full jogging recovery: 3 x 1 mile @ {5:25, 5:32, 5:54 (lol)}, mixing in some strides at the end. Good first session back
11:15 AM: food: big cheese burgers, sweet potato fries, water
01:30 PM: workout: bw
- dead hang ng pullups: BW x 5
- full dips: BW x 5
- calf raises: BW x 20
02:00 PM: food: 2 x banana, water
02:30 PM: water
02:45 PM: leg drain: 30 minutes
03:15 PM: water
05:00 PM: food: 4 x grapefruit, croissant, coconut smoothie, water
08:00 PM: food: huge shredded wheat (3 of them lmao) with honey, water
- really good.. never wanted one of those enormous shredded wheat "biscuits" but it turned out good
09:20 PM: stretch: soleus during dishes (~20 minutes of off and on soleus stretch) (felt so damn good..)

stretch:
09:20 PM: stretch: soleus during dishes (~20 minutes of off and on soleus stretch) (felt so damn good..)

icing:
self massage:
leg drain:
contrast showers:
naps:



workout: my dad (70 years old, tennis player) wanted to try a 5k .. lolol .. 5k @ 44:10 .. he was hurting for mile 3 :D
- https://www.strava.com/activities/1346790759

he's got some decent form when he picks up the pace though.. I think this humbled him a bit though, definitely harder than he expected. 8|



workout: moderate speed with full jogging recovery: 3 x 1 mile @ {5:25, 5:32, 5:54 (lol)}, mixing in some strides at the end. Good first session back
- https://www.strava.com/activities/1347037716








Monthly Tracker: 2018

January (01), 2018

TODO:

Bodyweight: [(01,146),(02,146),(03,144),(04,145),(05,144),(06,145),(07,146),(08,146)]
- FORMAT: (day, weight in lbs)

Total Jumps per leg: []
- FORMAT: (day, # of jumps per leg)
- per leg total:

Max SLRVJ Touch: []
- FORMAT: (day, touch height in ft'inches")
- L-SLRVJ:
- R-SLRVJ:

Total speed interval distance: []
- FORMAT: (day, total speed interval distance in meters)
- total:

Max run speed (mph)/pace (min/mi): []
- FORMAT: (day, mph max, pace max in minutes per mile)

Resting HR: []
- FORMAT: (day, minutes for this test, average hr, minimum hr)

PR's: []

Races: []
- FORMAT: (day, distance, official, watch)

Soreness: [(01,"none"),(02,"none"),(03,"none"),(04,"none"),(05,"none"),(06,"none"),(07,"calves slightly"),(08,"calves slightly")]
- FORMAT: (day, overall soreness, specifics)

Aches/Injuries: [(01,"upper back a little from yesterday (started hurting a few hours after the race) - but disappeared as the day went on (today)"),(02,"none"),(03,"left knee a little, right upper back (around 11 PM) - the thing from sunday"),(04,"none"),(05,"left knee slightly (probably from locking my knees out :D)"),(06,"back of right neck moderate (disappear when i started walking hard) - lmao"),(07,"ankles achy slightly"),(08,"calves achy")]
- FORMAT: (day, specifics)

Morning Quad Flexibility: [(01,"loose"),(02,"loose"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"loose"),(07,"loose"),(08,"loose")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Morning Hamstring Flexibility: [(01,"loose"),(02,"loose"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"loose"),(07,"loose"),(08,"loose")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Morning Calf Flexibility: [(01,"tight (left more-so)"),(02,"tight (left more-so)"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"slightly tight (left more-so)"),(07,"slightly tight"),(08,"tight")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Cramping: []
- FORMAT: (day, symptom)

Wakeup: [(01,09:30AM,9.5),(02,06:30AM,7),(03,07:30AM,8.5),(04,05:45AM,7),(05,06:00AM,7.5),(06,09:30AM,9.5),(07,07:30AM,8),(08,05:30AM,7)]
- FORMAT: (day, wakeup time, hours slept)

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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #7748 on: January 09, 2018, 01:33:02 pm »
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hills day!



01/09/2018

bw = ?
bw before bed last night = ?
soreness = calves slightly, quads slightly
aches/injuries = back of right knee slightly (hamstring)
cramping = none
morning quad flexibility = loose
morning hamstring flexibility = loose
morning calf flexibility = loose (yay!)
feel = ok

wakeup = 05:00 AM

log:
05:45 AM: food: oatmeal with honey, banana, water
07:00 AM: workout: (10 mi total): morning run: soft surface/hills (961ft): 6 miles light, 3 miles moderate mixed in, and one hard at the end (6:47) ::: running on mulch is AMAZING wtf?! so springy.
09:00 AM: water
10:00 AM: food: whole foods: eggs, quiche, sausage patty, potatoes, bacon/ham/egg/cheese sandwich, water
12:45 PM: leg drain: 35 minutes
01:30 PM: nap: 1 hour
06:30 PM: food: sourdough rye, banana, water
07:30 PM: food: sauteed yam in olive oil/pink sea salt, orange chicken, prunes, water
08:15 PM: food: white chocolate almond bark
09:30 PM: stretch: soleus during dishes, standing hamstring balance


stretch:
09:30 PM: stretch: soleus during dishes, standing hamstring balance

icing:
self massage:
leg drain:
12:45 PM: leg drain: 35 minutes

contrast showers:
naps:
01:30 PM: nap: 1 hour




workout: morning run: soft surface/hills (961ft): 6 miles light, 3 miles moderate mixed in, and one hard at the end (6:47) ::: running on mulch is AMAZING wtf?! so springy.
https://www.strava.com/activities/1348419168

love this park. that was a FUN run. hilly terrain & soft surfaces are a nice contrast to the track/flat roads.




garmin connect isn't showing elevation for me, on any of my elevation runs.......... weird.



but strava does.. odd:






Monthly Tracker: 2018

January (01), 2018

TODO:

Bodyweight: [(01,146),(02,146),(03,144),(04,145),(05,144),(06,145),(07,146),(08,146),(09,?)]
- FORMAT: (day, weight in lbs)

Total Jumps per leg: []
- FORMAT: (day, # of jumps per leg)
- per leg total:

Max SLRVJ Touch: []
- FORMAT: (day, touch height in ft'inches")
- L-SLRVJ:
- R-SLRVJ:

Total speed interval distance: []
- FORMAT: (day, total speed interval distance in meters)
- total:

Max run speed (mph)/pace (min/mi): []
- FORMAT: (day, mph max, pace max in minutes per mile)

Resting HR: []
- FORMAT: (day, minutes for this test, average hr, minimum hr)

PR's: []

Races: []
- FORMAT: (day, distance, official, watch)

Soreness: [(01,"none"),(02,"none"),(03,"none"),(04,"none"),(05,"none"),(06,"none"),(07,"calves slightly"),(08,"calves slightly"),(09,"calves slightly, quads slightly")]
- FORMAT: (day, overall soreness, specifics)

Aches/Injuries: [(01,"upper back a little from yesterday (started hurting a few hours after the race) - but disappeared as the day went on (today)"),(02,"none"),(03,"left knee a little, right upper back (around 11 PM) - the thing from sunday"),(04,"none"),(05,"left knee slightly (probably from locking my knees out :D)"),(06,"back of right neck moderate (disappear when i started walking hard) - lmao"),(07,"ankles achy slightly"),(08,"calves achy"),(09,"back of right knee slightly (hamstring)")]
- FORMAT: (day, specifics)

Morning Quad Flexibility: [(01,"loose"),(02,"loose"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"loose"),(07,"loose"),(08,"loose"),(09,"loose")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Morning Hamstring Flexibility: [(01,"loose"),(02,"loose"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"loose"),(07,"loose"),(08,"loose"),(09,"loose")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Morning Calf Flexibility: [(01,"tight (left more-so)"),(02,"tight (left more-so)"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"slightly tight (left more-so)"),(07,"slightly tight"),(08,"tight"),(09,"loose")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Cramping: []
- FORMAT: (day, symptom)

Wakeup: [(01,09:30AM,9.5),(02,06:30AM,7),(03,07:30AM,8.5),(04,05:45AM,7),(05,06:00AM,7.5),(06,09:30AM,9.5),(07,07:30AM,8),(08,05:30AM,7),(09,05:00AM,7)]
- FORMAT: (day, wakeup time, hours slept)

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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #7749 on: January 09, 2018, 04:43:57 pm »
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a few photos from last year's ultra marathon @ vista view, courtesy of their FB.. (doing this relay race on Sunday). This is also the park I ran at today.









the winner from last year, he's pretty popular in the running scene: Mike Wardian
- he's fast over pretty much every distance
- http://mikewardian.com/schedule/
- http://mikewardian.com/about/
- masters numbers: 16:XX 5k, 2:2X marathoner etc, 7 marathons 7 days - #1 in the world .. stuff like that


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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #7750 on: January 10, 2018, 03:41:48 pm »
+1
rest/walk

These came out cool.







01/10/2018

bw = 145
bw before bed last night = ?
soreness = calves slightly, quads moderately, hamstrings slightly
aches/injuries = none
cramping = none
morning quad flexibility = tight
morning hamstring flexibility = loose
morning calf flexibility = tight
feel = ok

wakeup = 05:30 AM

log:
05:45 AM: food: oatmeal with honey, banana, water
07:30 AM: workout: (12 miles total): light walk: 12 miles total: 9 miles @ 15:XX (light), 3 miles @ 14:XX (moderate)
11:00 AM: food: chocolate chip muffin, pink lemonade, 3 x banana, water
02:00 PM: food: sauteed yam in olive oil/pink sea salt, lemon herb chicken, water
03:30 PM: nap: 40 minutes
07:15 PM: food: orange chicken, 2 x banana, 4 x sourdough, almond milk, water
07:00 PM: stretch: soleus during dishes


stretch:
icing:
self massage:
leg drain:
contrast showers:
naps:
03:30 PM: nap: 40 minutes





workout: light walk: 12 miles total: 9 miles @ 15:XX (light), 3 miles @ 14:XX (moderate)
- https://www.strava.com/activities/1350181682





Monthly Tracker: 2018

January (01), 2018

TODO:

Bodyweight: [(01,146),(02,146),(03,144),(04,145),(05,144),(06,145),(07,146),(08,146),(09,?),(10,145)]
- FORMAT: (day, weight in lbs)

Total Jumps per leg: []
- FORMAT: (day, # of jumps per leg)
- per leg total:

Max SLRVJ Touch: []
- FORMAT: (day, touch height in ft'inches")
- L-SLRVJ:
- R-SLRVJ:

Total speed interval distance: []
- FORMAT: (day, total speed interval distance in meters)
- total:

Max run speed (mph)/pace (min/mi): []
- FORMAT: (day, mph max, pace max in minutes per mile)

Resting HR: []
- FORMAT: (day, minutes for this test, average hr, minimum hr)

PR's: []

Races: []
- FORMAT: (day, distance, official, watch)

Soreness: [(01,"none"),(02,"none"),(03,"none"),(04,"none"),(05,"none"),(06,"none"),(07,"calves slightly"),(08,"calves slightly"),(09,"calves slightly, quads slightly"),(10,"calves slightly, quads moderately, hamstrings slightly")]
- FORMAT: (day, overall soreness, specifics)

Aches/Injuries: [(01,"upper back a little from yesterday (started hurting a few hours after the race) - but disappeared as the day went on (today)"),(02,"none"),(03,"left knee a little, right upper back (around 11 PM) - the thing from sunday"),(04,"none"),(05,"left knee slightly (probably from locking my knees out :D)"),(06,"back of right neck moderate (disappear when i started walking hard) - lmao"),(07,"ankles achy slightly"),(08,"calves achy"),(09,"back of right knee slightly (hamstring)"),(10,"none")]
- FORMAT: (day, specifics)

Morning Quad Flexibility: [(01,"loose"),(02,"loose"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"loose"),(07,"loose"),(08,"loose"),(09,"loose"),(10,"tight")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Morning Hamstring Flexibility: [(01,"loose"),(02,"loose"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"loose"),(07,"loose"),(08,"loose"),(09,"loose"),(10,"loose")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Morning Calf Flexibility: [(01,"tight (left more-so)"),(02,"tight (left more-so)"),(03,"loose"),(04,"loose"),(05,"loose"),(06,"slightly tight (left more-so)"),(07,"slightly tight"),(08,"tight"),(09,"loose"),(10,"tight")]
- FORMAT: (day, general flexibility)

Cramping: []
- FORMAT: (day, symptom)

Wakeup: [(01,09:30AM,9.5),(02,06:30AM,7),(03,07:30AM,8.5),(04,05:45AM,7),(05,06:00AM,7.5),(06,09:30AM,9.5),(07,07:30AM,8),(08,05:30AM,7),(09,05:00AM,7),(10,05:30AM,7)]
- FORMAT: (day, wakeup time, hours slept)

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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #7751 on: January 11, 2018, 12:48:54 pm »
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just found out some random info about that ultra:

the masters guy I post in here on occasion, got 2nd overall in like 2013.

also he was on a relay team (like i'm about to do) which set the CR at 49 laps. They averaged ~5:54 min/mi pace as a team. That's batshit considering the hills. holy crap.

I think I want to do it individually next year.. I definitely think I can win that. Could be my first prize money win :D Have it in my mind for 2019.

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« Reply #7752 on: January 11, 2018, 01:09:48 pm »
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someone I know and have raced with, has a nice article in a Coconut Creek magazine: (he's a beast, fast across every distance - including 100 miles)







actually want to read the rest of it.. heh! also he mentions joining strava. it really does help, best running site i've been on for sure. very simple site, but so many serious runners are on there.. provides a nice training boost imho.

also: that sun-sentinel guy never posted an article about the jingle bell jog 5k .. lame.

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« Reply #7753 on: January 11, 2018, 02:22:23 pm »
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btw, just looking at Cory's splits from that boca 5k/10k & recalling my convo with FP that morning:

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your approach to races always confuses me.

why? it's literally racing, lmao.

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Why not focus all your efforts into getting the best possible 5k time, what's the point in splitting your focus into 2mile and 5k?

my main objective is always top 3.

after you hit 2 mile (~3.2k?), 5k is only 1.1 more miles away.

best possible 5k time isn't racing. If I say to myself, i'm going to try as hard as possible to stick it out for 2 miles (with the leaders), then that's racing. If I let them dust me and pace safely, then that's not racing, that's PB/time hunting, which is fine but i'd rather race. If you hang with the leaders for 2, you never know how it will turn out .. gives you the best possible chance at top 3, even if you're dead by 2 miles - because alot of people die out hard in their third mile. You never know who else is being pulled out of their comfort zone by there being more people in the pack racing for top 3, and if they get pulled out of their comfort zone, they can fade as well, especially if they were expecting an easier race.

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I feel like you would end up getting a suboptimal result for both than if you just paced yourself identically for each mile.

if you're the fastest guy there you can do that .. but if you're not the fastest, you can't do that if your goal is top 3.

even pacing is fine but there's less risk. risk is what makes or breaks you. it can make you - by allowing people who are faster than you to "pull you", adrenaline etc. It can break you because you can end up going way beyond threshold and not being able to finish strong. If keeping up with them eventually breaks you and you can't finish strong, well at least you tried - and if you tried hard enough, you'll PR something because you're running with people faster than you. If you PR something that's progress. Doesn't matter if it's the 5k itself or subsets of it (2.5 mi, 2 mi, 1.5 mi, 1 mi etc). PR is a PR, limit has been pushed.

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If you really want to PR for 2 mile why not just run 2 miles?

where in a race setting? :ninja:

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Not claiming to know better you are the board endurance specialist but just curious  :ibrunning:

nah np. it's fine.

this race is ~5:20 min/mi guys for 5k. I've done 5:24 min/mi for 1.7 on my own. So, I know I can hang with them for 2. I might have problems around 2, or I might be able to keep it going. If I have problems, then I have to gut out a good mile while fading, and still probably PR my 5k (because I already PR'd my 2 mile). If I keep it going, then I have the opportunity to crush my 5k PR considerably, while also PR'n a ton of other segments within the 5k (like 2 mi etc).

If this race was 4:50 min/mi guys for 5k, my goal would be to hang with them for 1.x (~1.25).

If it was 5:55 min/mi guys I wouldn't be talking about 2 mile PR's, 5k PR's etc. That would be a more comfortable race, and would probably be even pacing.

In a nutshell, racers make more progress than time hunters, from what i've seen with people on the local scene. Racing mentality is very different: it's considerably more aggressive. Time hunting with safe/precise pacing is fine, but there's usually much less risk. Taking huge risks can wreck you or pay off big. If you play it safe, you're always in the middle. If you take the risk, you may have the run of your life unexpectedly and perform well beyond what you thought you were capable of.

When I look at a race, i'm looking at top 3 and how fast they finish historically (for that race). Then, based on their times, i'm trying to figure out how long I should be able to keep up with them & what will I PR if I do, then what should I manage to finish the race with after that effort.

Also here's a recent example of it:

https://www.runnersworld.com/chicago-marathon/jordan-hasay-makes-a-bold-decision-be-brave-and-race

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Jordan Hasay Makes a Bold Decision: Be Brave and Race

Defying her coach’s advice, Jordan Hasay made a midrace decision to stay with the leaders at the 2017 Chicago Marathon. And her instincts to do so paid off.

In her second attempt at 26.2, she finished third overall in 2:20:57. She had a two-minute PR, and her time vaulted her to second on the all-time list of American marathon performances.

Early on, she faced a quandary. She could either stick with Tirunesh Dibaba, who has won three Olympic gold medals on the track and has a marathon best of 2:17:56, which is five minutes faster than Hasay’s previous best of 2:23:00.

Or she could hang back off the lead pack, tuck in behind a male runner going at about 2:22 pace, and try running a PR.

Hasay chose the former.

“I think it’s more important to compete,” she said. “I’ve studied the different marathons, and it’s easier, mentally and physically, to be sitting in a pack than it is to run by yourself. I just kept looking at the lead car, and our kilometers were anywhere from 3:15 to 3:20. Our projected time was 2:17 to 2:18, so I just thought, ‘Well, okay!’ ”

She wasn’t scared, even when she went through 10 kilometers in 32:29—faster than she ran the 10,000 meters on the track in 2016 at the Olympic Trials—and halfway in 1:08:50.

pace in training, race in racing! :ibrunning: :ibrunning: :ibrunning:

^^ That's also "The Kenyan Way" btw..

Anyway, can't be afraid of taking beatings etc.. The racing angle is much more like combat. Need to take beatings but stay in their valiantly, before you can dish the beatings out.

peace!

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In a nutshell, racers make more progress than time hunters, from what i've seen with people on the local scene. Racing mentality is very different: it's considerably more aggressive. Time hunting with safe/precise pacing is fine, but there's usually much less risk. Taking huge risks can wreck you or pay off big. If you play it safe, you're always in the middle. If you take the risk, you may have the run of your life unexpectedly and perform well beyond what you thought you were capable of.


Hmm. I definitely see your points but for the sake of argument I'll go against your point of making more progress with a racing mentality, I think most progress would be made during training not the actual race. I could be underestimating how much the higher intensity of a race can actually help you improve though.

Sure but, you can train all day and be horrible at competition. You have to "train competition". If you have a great training group, you can try to stimulate that environment outside of official competition, but it still falls short. Better than nothing though that's for sure. However, you just can't stimulate the pressure of real racing, just like you can't stimulate the pressure of a official basketball/ultimate game/tournament, boxing match, dunk session in front of random people/fans etc.

One can make incredible progress outside of competition, but then fall apart during the actual competition.

So training needs to extend itself to competition -> if you don't have alot of experience competing, you need to "train" it more. Once you acquire years of experience competing in your chosen field, then it becomes a different story.

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I do see your point that your potential is different day to day. I guess I was thinking more of anaerobic training where if you don't pace properly you can end up really burned out at the end and end up with a really suboptimal result.

well it's the same in a 5k race or mile etc.. if you step outside of your comfort zone, it becomes more anaerobic and you can start to tank, or you might be able to battle more than you expected in a competition environment. Adrenaline & competition stimulation (chase) is a huge difference maker.

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Which is what would happen to me conditioning during practice and burning out early because I would start too strong. Terrible feeling and you look silly for not knowing your limits. Endurance running is a completely different beast from that

Right but, the difference between training & competition:

In training, you are more likely to quit when you surpass your thresholds. In a race, you are more likely to keep going, though perhaps in a more debilitated state. For example, i've quit on myself hundreds of times in training, especially when training alone. I've never once quit on myself in a race, even when PR'n my mile in the very first mile, then holding on the last 2.1. I wanted to quit, but I didn't. The race itself & competition stimulation keeps you going. So, in such an environment, you have a few new weapons available to push your limits.

My splits for my PR 5k (18:22 official, 18:16 watch)) last year were like, 5:15, 5:55, 6:35 (just off top) something like that. That's still my best two mile EVER (11:20). So, not even 2-mile attempts on my own have beat that time, though i've come close. Nor has my 5k PR of 18:05 official (17:51 watch) beat that time either. My strategy that race was to last 1.5 with the fastest guy there. I think I made it ~1.1 or so before he started pulling away. After the race he told me I really "scared him", he didn't know who I was, he wanted to win. So I pulled him into a faster mile than he was expecting. He finished running ~16:30 IIRC. IMHO, that's a great example of it.

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So by racing you are gambling on your body to be at its best and if that ends up the case you end up with the best possible result that you couldn't have achieved by strict pacing.

nah .. body doesn't have to be at it's best. Just need to push yourself. It may or may not be at its best: the idea is to find out. If it's not, no problem, just keep trucking. If it is, you've now tapped into this new potential that was made available to you. You leveraged the "release" of a certain level of inhibition. Huge opportunity for growth, have to be ready to grab it.

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I bet its a lot more fun to race with the top runners too

yup, definitely. You learn alot about them and yourself, while it's happening. You listen to how they breathe, see their cadence, watch how they adapt/force pace changes, watch how they use the course (where they run), how they round turns etc.

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As for the 2 mile PR in a race setting.. If you were PB hunting you could go all out in the 2 mile and walk the rest of a 5k lol

Yup.. nothing wrong with that IMHO .. Ideally, you'd PB and just coast it out. To gut out the remainder of the race, is a great tool. It's not easy, it's absolutely brutal. So I take advantage of that. However, I tell myself that if I need to walk in order to get the PB, i'd do it.. Just to try and convince my body to give me more resources when I request them.

Alot of my theories lately around improving performance center only on reducing inhibition. So, that's why you see me trying to leverage competitive environments (races) as one of the biggest tools to push my limits. If my goal every time were to run a "strict race", well within what I think i'm capable of, based on training sessions & such, that would be fine but it's not aggressive enough to get to the elite level IMHO.

My racing strategies are alot like how I dunked. I loved throwing lobs high as fu*k and trying to catch them. Now my lob is someone faster than me that I have to catch.

Finally, I linked this in one of the previous posts, it's the guy who came in third place last year at this same race:

https://www.strava.com/activities/816857463

He's an "old fart" (46?) who is a local legend (probably could be competitive masters nationally). Has top 3 (many #1's) in so many races around here. He's beat me every race but that might be ending fairly soon, hopefully. I have mad respect for him, he's consistent af and he knows how to win. He has so much experience it's crazy .. can pace exactly, can do negative splits, can do whatever he wants usually. He's pretty fast. I mean he can drop 16:XX 5k's @ ~46 and beat a D1 college kid home for winter/thanksgiving break, that's damn good.

Anyway, look at his splits:



Those are racing splits. This is a guy who will pace evenly if he has #1 in the bag. So for some reason, he was "worried". He hung with the lead pack for mile 1, then fell off considerably for #2 and #3. That 5.19 was outside of his comfort zone that race, but he got sucked into it for whatever reason. He's in good enough shape to recover from it and keep battling out some nice splits, but you can see he really took a hit.

Anyway he got #3 overall in that race (17:08 @ 5:31min/mi). Had he not gone out with the leader for mile 1, he probably wouldn't have gotten #3 overall because he wouldn't have known how hard he'd have to work to overcome some of the other people in that pack.

Also look at his 2 mile.. "2nd best estimated". This is a guy who has dropped several 16:XX 5k's and that's his 2nd best estimated 2 mile.. Shows you alot. Normally he paces himself better, but that's probably because he's comfortable about his position in the race.

Here's a similar race, from 2014:



Similar first mile split, better 2nd/3rd. That 5k is even faster than the one today, much faster. So he was probably much more prepared to handle it than the traditionally slightly slower one.

So in a nutshell, if you analyze the data of successful "racers", if they aren't THE FASTEST, you see lots of fluctuations in splits etc. Someone who is easily the fastest can just go TEMPO their 5k etc.. no problem. But for everyone else, it's more of a battle usually.

That's just my perspective/experience on it so far.

peace man!!

Cory and I talked before the race (~1.5 weeks before during our training session, and leading up to it). Both of our strategies were the exact same, sub 11 for 2 miles then whatever (but battle) for the third. He executed, I didn't. He hit ~17:21 for 5k and ended up 4th overall, ~6s behind 3rd. I ended up 6th overall, ~40s behind third. His splits were basically what I had planned, but I just didn't execute it properly. He risked more up front and it paid off bigtime:



He ended up all-time PR'n his 5k with that strategy, also first time going under 11 minutes for 2 miles (which was the main initiative).

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