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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3165 on: August 27, 2016, 11:12:33 am »
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Quarter squats are helping my backsquat!!!!!!!!!! My finishing strength on backsquats has improved incredibly. Im snapping them out piston like once ive gotten past the sticking point. Today my hamstrings were DED .. even warmups with 70kg indicated that much, however, so good is my glute/quad strength now i can still knock out a 6rm effort explosively (thanks to quarters). Fuck dogma .. fuck all that stupid 'ATG or nothing' bs .. it's complete nonsense.

Here is the plan for the next 8 weeks. I want 6x6x127.5kg @77kg bodyweight. I wont settle for 4 sets or 5 sets with 1 done with a belt. 6x6x127.5 @ 77kg rawdog .. no belt no wraps no creatine, no gomad, just balls.  A complete list of lifts:
6x6x127.5kg bs @ 77kg
200kg bht worksets
180-200kg RDL worksets
180-200kg quarter squat worksets


After 8 weeks, the following things will still be available, unused in my toolbox: 1. creatine, 2. belt, 3. knee sleeves,  4. stimulants like synephrine and L-tyrosine and 5. Not cutting and even gaining weight. 
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3166 on: August 27, 2016, 11:41:15 am »
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Going from 117.5kg x 6 to 127.5kg 6x6 in a matter of 8 weeks is just completely unrealistic imho unless you just came back from a major injury. And as T0ddday already mentioned before, the romanian deadlift is definitely not an exercise (if done correctly) which is supposed to be done for worksets of 200kg+... that doesn't make any sense... even less so when you never deadlifted that much with a normal conventional setup.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3167 on: August 27, 2016, 11:45:44 am »
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Challenge accepted!
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3168 on: August 27, 2016, 01:06:12 pm »
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Haha... that's the spirit. I mean I'm glad if you would prove me wrong. But you won't... especially considering that you plan to do this while being very conscious about not gaining or even losing bodyweight. Whatever... we'll talk again in 8 weeks. ;)

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3169 on: August 27, 2016, 03:05:45 pm »
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Quarter squats are helping my backsquat!!!!!!!!!! My finishing strength on backsquats has improved incredibly. Im snapping them out piston like once ive gotten past the sticking point. Today my hamstrings were DED .. even warmups with 70kg indicated that much, however, so good is my glute/quad strength now i can still knock out a 6rm effort explosively (thanks to quarters). Fuck dogma .. fuck all that stupid 'ATG or nothing' bs .. it's complete nonsense.

Here is the plan for the next 8 weeks. I want 6x6x127.5kg @77kg bodyweight. I wont settle for 4 sets or 5 sets with 1 done with a belt. 6x6x127.5 @ 77kg rawdog .. no belt no wraps no creatine, no gomad, just balls.  A complete list of lifts:
6x6x127.5kg bs @ 77kg
200kg bht worksets
180-200kg RDL worksets
180-200kg quarter squat worksets


After 8 weeks, the following things will still be available, unused in my toolbox: 1. creatine, 2. belt, 3. knee sleeves,  4. stimulants like synephrine and L-tyrosine and 5. Not cutting and even gaining weight. 



Going from 117.5kg x 6 to 127.5kg 6x6 in a matter of 8 weeks is just completely unrealistic imho unless you just came back from a major injury. And as T0ddday already mentioned before, the romanian deadlift is definitely not an exercise (if done correctly) which is supposed to be done for worksets of 200kg+... that doesn't make any sense... even less so when you never deadlifted that much with a normal conventional setup.

Yeah sometimes this journal veers off into such self-congratulatory contradictory nonsense that it is hard to understand whether he is serious...

Like I'll read one post where he says "I'm looking ripped, I'm seeing abdominal striations from this highly restrictive diet."

Then the next post is "any dunk I do counts as a weighted dunk because I'm wearing this massive adipose layer around my gut."

This type of bipolar self-image of ones body is scary, tbh. 

And there is am very little understanding of what a toolbox is for a jumper...  He lists a lifters toolbox!  The toolbox way of thinking does make sense but he has it completely backwards... Knee sleeves and a belt don't help you jump high - they make lifting safer... You don't save them up if you need them. 

For god sake, you also don't save up creatine...  High jumpers CUT creatine to shed body weight to peak their jump... They don't avoid creatine during an 8 week lifting block!!!  I don't understand this backwards thinking at all...  Do you want to jump high or lift heavy?  Make a decision...  Trying to handicap yourself to add a ton of weight to your squat in 8 weeks is pointless... If you wanna get to 127.5 x6x6 then just get there.  Get there as fast as possible.  Your an athlete.  Make you strength gains quick cause they detract from other stuff...  What are you saving all that stuff in your toolbox for? Clearly not jumping... It's to lift more?  So you plan to handicap yourself and still achieve this squat goal and wreck you back cheating on RDLs and get to your goal and then... Break out your toolbox and... Squat more?  Ok cool. 

I think you could really benefit from the forum most of anyone by actually posting data... I think it would help with your strange dysmorphia and contradictory statements...

For example - you claim your looking ripped and striated.  I don't believe you.  You claim your fat and have a layer of adipose that needs to go.  I don't believe you.  I could be wrong but at most I'm wrong about one of those things.  At best I'm right and your wrong on both claims and a picture is worth a thousand words. Post a pic of video.

Sometimes you claim your getting up super high and you claim a high vert even though you legs never look high in dunk videos.  Other time you claim your max vert is like 26" inches.  Probably somewhere in between.  Video a height check.  Bang your head on the rim or backboard or touch top of square or something... Get it on tape...

You claim an workset RDL of 440 pounds....   This equates to a conventional deadlift of 650+.  No way you can do this (approaching 4x bw and 3x bw for RDL) and are anything close to slow at sprinting...   Speaking of... How slow are you... I have no idea...

Biggest problem with your training is I can't really give advice because depending on the day you sound like a fat amatuer or a highly trained world class guy... Again I don't believe either and I'm sure your in between but I really don't know where...

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chasing athleticism (1/48)
« Reply #3170 on: August 28, 2016, 07:33:12 am »
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CHEAT CURLS 3x6x60(PR!)
some dunks
some pickup bball games
Sprints  6x100m(best tyme 14:08 PR; stopwatch)

LPD/cable row/band glute raises to come tonight

BW: 77.7kg / 171.3lb (LPR)

Notes
got the curl milestone out the way. now will add a 2nd arm workout but do them strict in that workout, maintain cheat curls tho
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Re: chasing athleticism 1/48 (continued, vids / photos)
« Reply #3171 on: August 28, 2016, 08:05:49 am »
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first one is on a high rim (> 10ft)


2nd one is on a normal rim (10ft). the 2nd vid is taken at rim level btw


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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3172 on: August 28, 2016, 09:56:26 am »
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As always it's impossible to tell cause and effect ....... BUT ...

i felt so 'quick' today playing ball .. was easily blowing past defender at will ..

may blame it on the sprints from last saturday?

Putting 1 + 1 together to make 3, i wonder if i can get that same bouncy feeling while sprinting after I did bounds for a while and training my PC in the weight room --> even more quickness and speed in games? Maybe.. It's all tantalising :)

Happy with training, am leaning out, getting stronger, getting fitter, getting quicker and covering all the bases (lifting, running, jumping and sports) all at once without neglecting anything. Bring on the next 8 weeks.. so pumped..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3173 on: August 28, 2016, 10:16:14 am »
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ya i saw that 2nd one on my phone today when i wokeup.. jaja. really nice. that's a perfect camera angle too. did you have someone filming on the bleachers?



As always it's impossible to tell cause and effect ....... BUT ...

i felt so 'quick' today playing ball .. was easily blowing past defender at will ..

may blame it on the sprints from last saturday?

Putting 1 + 1 together to make 3, i wonder if i can get that same bouncy feeling while sprinting after I did bounds for a while and training my PC in the weight room --> even more quickness and speed in games? Maybe.. It's all tantalising :)

Happy with training, am leaning out, getting stronger, getting fitter, getting quicker and covering all the bases (lifting, running, jumping and sports) all at once without neglecting anything. Bring on the next 8 weeks.. so pumped..

nice!!

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3174 on: August 28, 2016, 11:27:03 am »
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 Yep he was just sat there playing on his phone listening to music and i aksed him and he obliged. Worked out well that way. I felt more bouncy earlier when i dunked .. was my hand in the rim pretty deep but that clip was taken after playing about 5 pickup games so fatigue had accumulated a little. Still fun though. I am a lot fitter now .. wud not be able to touch the rim after doing 6x6 squats thhe previous day.
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chasing athleticism 2/48
« Reply #3175 on: August 28, 2016, 11:18:07 pm »
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BW: 78.4kg

yikes, spike up, thats 2 refeeds in a row so i guess it makes sense that i woke up looking bloated af.

Days eating


rest dayy ... then going hard tmr .. 6x6 squats + PC assistance shud be good
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3176 on: August 29, 2016, 10:17:46 pm »
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BW: 78kg / 172lb

Seems im maintaining this bodyweight but getting leaner so whatevs. But i do need to see the scale read 77kg EVENTUALLY and sooner rather than later.. cos then i can stop this riduculous fasting on off days (see prvious post for a sample of an off day's eating.. i'll fast alll day and have a shake at 5pm).

Trainin today. I really really wanna add anothe sprint session per week. i feel like i shud be doing either shorter sprints (60m?) or intervals, maybe even 3 different sessions  of 60m, 100m and ~100m intervals. Will figure it out, have to remember better to improve everything simultaneously than over-specialise in any one thing .. for now, it's all GPP.

Need more dunking as well but im working on fixing that too..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3177 on: August 30, 2016, 03:09:36 am »
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BS 6x112.5, 4Fx120(LPR), 5x2x120(LPR)
BP 6x80(LPR), 6x79.5, 6x77.5, 6x75

RDL 8x137.5(LPR), 6x142.5(LPR), 10x152.5(LPR; hook)
BHT 8x150, 6x170(LPR)

BW: 78.0 / 172

Notes:
Didnt have a 6x6 in me today, not enough rest since saturday 6x6 and sunday bball .. lol. but it's ok, i can do them once a week and do something else tuesdays, like heavy 6x2x120kg today .. will work that up to um .. 6x2x127.5? something like that i guess.
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« Reply #3178 on: August 30, 2016, 10:20:18 pm »
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BW: 79kg (yikes!)

That was a dirty AF refeed last night. I finished off the icecream in teh freezer and then ate a whole load of banana bread. That was after eating dinner lol. I once figured out that a day like this costs 4 more days of dieting. The opportunistic cost is the extra days of dieting to make up the deficit and the days to diet offf the extra fat gained. So yeah not good. But hopefully it will get me back on track training-wise .. cos i was starting to struggle a little.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3179 on: August 31, 2016, 10:52:01 pm »
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BW: 78.1kg (woohoo)

This is the LEANEST ive been since March! Jiggle test confirms diminished skinfolds. I'm getting it done. But 77.0kg continues to evade me. All good, i can't complain that im not losing weight when im clearly leaning out -- it just means i'm replacing fat with muscle which cant be that bad ... hah.

trainin 2 day, beautiful day, wish i cud sprint but i need my legs fresh for saturday. May do it anyway. Game tonight also. Will do my first dunk workout in over a month .. aiming for 6 sets of quality dunks - doubles or triples with decent recovery.
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