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Re: chasing athleticism (day #8/14) -- yet another comeback
« Reply #3585 on: March 19, 2017, 02:23:24 am »
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Bodyweight: 75.2kg 
Activity: 7000+

Refeed worked from that weighing, 7 mo days of cutting, lesgo.

Holy shit i felt miserable today :( fuckn low carb man, like started from scratch. Stupid body, you know how to keto, stop messing wit me
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Re: chasing athleticism (day #9/14) -- yet another comeback
« Reply #3586 on: March 19, 2017, 09:14:29 pm »
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Bodyweight: 75kg
Activity: 8000+ units

Rest day. Gna try to walk my way to some decent FL tho.

Found out something disappointing, my basketball season effectively ends this week :( Cos we didnt make finals (in either team), no more games after tue and thurs. That means I have 2 weeks off before the easter weekend comp. I can deal with one week break (will just practice) but 2 is much. Hopefully can sort something out for that 2nd week. It annoys me that I played a shitload of basketball this summer of pointless games but when I really need to get match time experience, I run out of season lol. Typical.

Thinking of taking up drinking coffee or tea or something, i'm going to make some long term changes to the way I see food & drink. If can learn to enjoy a cup of tea much more instead of say a chocolate bar, i can keep the fat from piling back on once i come off cutting.

Got some no sugar hot chocolate powder. It tasted better with whey than just hot water, but with whey i have to be careful not to curdle from the heat otherwise it tastes off. So will experiment and get the formula right. Also tried plain cocao with whey in cold milk and it wouldnt even mix but im not sure that was that nice but i will see if its an acquired taste

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Re: chasing athleticism (day #9/14) -- yet another comeback
« Reply #3587 on: March 20, 2017, 06:42:36 pm »
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Thinking of taking up drinking coffee or tea or something, i'm going to make some long term changes to the way I see food & drink. If can learn to enjoy a cup of tea much more instead of say a chocolate bar, i can keep the fat from piling back on once i come off cutting.

Coffee is a wonderful thing. Can definitely replace a meal as it's an appetite suppressant. That's if you can get away with black coffee or if you're happy with the half a cup of milk thrown in.

Not completely unrelated my go to meal the last two months has been greek yoghurt. Throw your protein powder in, some berries and popcorn. Yes popcorn. Top with granola or cacao nibs if you're feeling frisky. Sounds weird but is delicious.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3588 on: March 21, 2017, 02:33:18 am »
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Thinking of taking up drinking coffee or tea or something, i'm going to make some long term changes to the way I see food & drink. If can learn to enjoy a cup of tea much more instead of say a chocolate bar, i can keep the fat from piling back on once i come off cutting.

Coffee is a wonderful thing. Can definitely replace a meal as it's an appetite suppressant. That's if you can get away with black coffee or if you're happy with the half a cup of milk thrown in.

Not completely unrelated my go to meal the last two months has been greek yoghurt. Throw your protein powder in, some berries and popcorn. Yes popcorn. Top with granola or cacao nibs if you're feeling frisky. Sounds weird but is delicious.

Yah I think low cal is okay, doesn't have to be zero. But obv there is no room for Starbucks sized desserts masquerading as beverages on a sensible diet (~2000kcal/day) for me. Will try your yoghurt idea.
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Re: chasing athleticism (day #10/14) -- yet another comeback
« Reply #3589 on: March 21, 2017, 02:34:56 am »
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Bodyweight: 73.9kg (PR)
Activity:

BS 0Fx127.5, 1x110, 6x90
OHP 0Fx58.5, 0Fx57.5, 4x52.5, 5x5x50 (inc 1st warmup)
DB OHP 3x6x20
EZ CURL 2x10xwhatever was on the bar (like 10-20kg?)
Sprint 3x80m (PR; new ex)

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Re: chasing athleticism (day #11/14) -- yet another comeback
« Reply #3590 on: March 22, 2017, 02:30:32 am »
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Bodyweight: 74kg
Activity: 7847 (2344)

Yikes, glad this thing is winding down, im ready for a change up. I miss being able to run and jump well, which is impossible on these diets.

feel suicidal today.. fk this shit, better be worth it by the end :(
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3591 on: March 22, 2017, 02:16:45 pm »
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Sub 74kg at 6'3 and feeling suicidal... hmm better diet down some more. I really don't understand your reasoning behind this... given you seem to be a pretty intelligent guy.

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Re: chasing athleticism (day #11/14) -- yet another comeback
« Reply #3592 on: March 22, 2017, 08:51:38 pm »
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Bodyweight: 74kg
Activity: 7847 (2344)

Yikes, glad this thing is winding down, im ready for a change up. I miss being able to run and jump well, which is impossible on these diets.

feel suicidal today.. fk this shit, better be worth it by the end :(

That's not good!

The usual advice is for skinnyfat people to clean bulk as muscle helps burn calories. As the late ZYZZ said 'abs on a skinny person are the same as big tits on a fat chick- they don't count'. The dieting is probably fucking up your metabolism as well. I'm preaching to the choir here but you should start a clean bulk with a moderately high protein intake and add some more volume into your lifting. At the moment your going backwards. Your athleticism is suffering, your strength has plunged, and you could well drop down to 70kg and still not be lean enough to meet your satisfaction. Surely you wouldn't want to drop down below 70kg (154lbs) at 6'3!!!
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3593 on: March 22, 2017, 09:18:40 pm »
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Sub 74kg at 6'3 and feeling suicidal... hmm better diet down some more. I really don't understand your reasoning behind this... given you seem to be a pretty intelligent guy.

The most common statement in this journal: maxent is a smart, hard-working guy, why does he do this crazy shit?

Let's stop making excuses for him. He might be intelligent, but he's obsessed with all the wrong aspects of athletic training.

For years, the most knowledgeable forum members have tried to convince him that:

- he has some degree of body dysmorphia;
- he needs to stop obsessing over intractable 'hormonal imbalances' and accept that he's just a bit fatter than your average athlete (nbd btw);
- following these extreme fasting diet cycles to cut a bit of fat is counter-productive to long-term athletic gains.

They have all failed. I'm at the point where I really don't know why I would waste my time posting any more on this journal except that I'm worried about his mental health.

Just read this sample page from FOUR YEARS AGO:

http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/chasing-athleticism/msg84160/#msg84160

Nothing has changed except that maxent is older, probably weaker and definitely less athletic than he could have been with the same training effort redirected. Now he can't run or jump on this diet.....that's OK though because it's only 'short-term'. Unfortunately as soon as a bit of adipose goes back on, it'll be back to pmsf and no meaningful training volume. He can talk about long-term planning for muscle gain and setting strength baselines while getting to x% bf all he wants....he's been doing it for well over four years.

Again, I always say these things with the caveat that I want him to succeed and be proven wrong. Happy to put ideas forward but not if it's just falling on deaf ears constantly.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3594 on: March 22, 2017, 10:09:56 pm »
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Let me just put this number out there, 72.5kg. That's where I am coming to but I was avoiding mentioning it here because I expected it would cause some consternation. Haha, so much for that. There's a whole host of factors to weigh up, constantly making compromises and trade offs and trying to balance things out is exhausting.

FWIW it's not too hard to understand cause and affect. I was struggling yesterday b/c sleep was impaired and b/c i over reached with the overhead presses and reintroduction of sprints. But i'll adapt, more or less.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3595 on: March 23, 2017, 02:54:43 am »
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Man... you are 5" taller than I am and weigh 15 (FIFTEEN) freaking pounds less! Granted...I carry a bit more weight than an average jumper (I think) but youre forgetting 1 really important thing here:

It takes muscle to move weight up. Jumping requires strength. Youre killing yours routinely!

My advice (take it or leave it). Fuck the scale. Fuck the mirror. Go LIFT. Get strong. Eat halfway clean and let your body balance where its comfortable. THEN work on RFD and shit.

There isnt really any magic too it but trying to be the type of athlete you're not is counterproductive. You've tried being strong and heavy and youve tried being light and relatively weak, both failed. Find the happy medium man and get this shit done.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3596 on: March 23, 2017, 05:08:02 am »
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Mutumbo, i'm not skinny fat. I'm just fat. And skinny. But not skinny-fat, there's a diff. Will be lean after i lose a few more kilos (somewhere between 75 and 70kg bw) and then im done cutting. Wont take long, im not wasting time with this stuff, have a wicked deficit going (1 meal a day, 140g of protein, zero fat, zero carb). Plus taking all the supplements and averaging over 6k units of activity a day. Cost of this PSMF is training suffers, cant jump or run fast, will put up it with in the short term but it's not something I have to live with it longer than the duration of the cut. If I have to weigh 70kg to be lean then so be it, it's not my desire to be that light but i'll play the (genetic) cards ive been dealt, no complaining lol.

acole I appreciate the advice, it's good generic advice. I'd give the same advice in your position. It just so happens that it is not fit for purpose. I'm an individual and individuals need tailored advice, that's where the difference arises in practice.Not saying someone else my height should be 70kg but I have to be. I wish i was a lean 90kg like Coges but wishing doesn't make it so. So i'll diet down to whatever low bodyweight (prob in the interval 72.5kg - 70kg), maintain that bodyfat level for a while then try to get up to a lean 80kg. Maybe with steroids, I think I will have demonstrated the right to take them in that case, it's not cheating it's levelling the playing field if i have to take drugs to ONLY weigh 10kg less than someone else athletic my height (eg Coges). But i'll try it naturally first (ofc).

Chris, dont get hung up on the height thing tho. Unless you're comparing someone low to mid 5ft with someone mid to high 6ft, we're practically the same organisms. It makes sense to scale out bw with height but not always, there are limitations, im def in the category where it doesn't make sense to.
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Re: chasing athleticism (day #12/14) -- yet another comeback
« Reply #3597 on: March 23, 2017, 09:28:17 am »
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Bodyweight: 74kg
Activity: 8k + game steps not counted since band was off

Training today. Started taking Cayenne(500mg) as a thermogenic, will be interesting to see how it performs. It suggested with food but I took it on an empty stomach. If i tolerate it will ramp up to 3x daily..

BS 1x120(paused), 5x100(paused), 6x92.5(paused)
Game

Game was okay, season's done, no more games left to play unless I can sort out fill-in positions (doubtful), im gna have to make do with just practice (alone) & pickup. Not ideal preparing for easter weekend comp but it's just how it goes.

I used 4x25kg plates to load up 120kg for the first time today, that's a milestone. This is how it begins, gna make this a setpoint as per sig. I did the same for 110kg when i got my first pair of 25s, now with 2 pairs I will normalise 120kg just the same as 110kg became warmup ezy eventually.

I expect to have a big scale movement sometime soon (hopefully). Kinda constipated (low carb problems lol). And from here on, if i wake up sunday morning and im not happy with what I see on the scale/mirror then I may just keep dieting. Or take the break as planned, whatevs.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3598 on: March 23, 2017, 08:32:42 pm »
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Mate thanks for using me as an example of someone you think is lean. I currently weigh between 89 and 90 and estimate myself between 13-15% bf on any given day. The way I look varies that much it’s not funny. 7-8 years ago I was 75g dripping wet. Little to no muscle tone and was repeatedly told I was skinny but I felt fat. I had no bulk at all in the upper body.  I got my bodyfat done twice and was sub 12% both times but looked like I was in the 18-20% range. I’m carrying more fat now but far more muscle too and the difference is night and day. Sometimes we are our own worst enemy eh.

Btw, you are not a unique snowflake. You are not the only one who has ever had issues trying to lose fat and gain muscle from a disadvantaged starting point. It’s comforting to think you’re all alone and the world doesn’t know what you’re going through cause it gives you an out. The real story is you have body dysmorphia and a bad relationship with food.

Look at your IG post from October 2016 when you dunked shirtless post game. You are not cut but you are certainly not fat. I would say you look athletic and wiry and in the 15-16% range. You weighed 81.8kg and had just squatted 8 sets of 2 @ 140kg for a raw, beltless 1.7xbw squat. That same day, and I quote, you said “i dont really think i shud be using 80kg as the bodyweight -- 85kg makes more sense as my ideal bodyweight, where im maximally strong AND athletic..” 3 days later you go low carb and state you’re trying to get under 81 and recomp to 80. Some days I look in the mirror and think I’m a fat fuck and other days I look ripped. I then tell myself to shut the fuck up and get on with my day. Makes life so much easier.

As Acole said, everyone here wants to see you succeed which is why we keep posting shit in your forum and trying to get through to you. Take what you will from all these posts but one thing is clear and that is you need some change. What’s the worst that can happen?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3599 on: March 24, 2017, 01:14:06 am »
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Good post. Last time i got my bf% checked  (11 pt caliper), i weighed 100kg and they said I was an even 25%bf. lol lol. By that measure, i shud be 0% bodyfat right now  :D. I was hoping the price of DEXA wud come down here but it's still around $100 and it's not worth the paper it's printed on but id like to take one just for a joke. I reckon it would come back with something consistent with my BMI tho, dont have much faith in the method of testing bf, just rough approximations at best.
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