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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4680 on: March 09, 2019, 09:14:45 pm »
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Starting peaking tmr (monday).

Something like:
- daily cardio (basketball or running)
- regular jumping
- maintain or improve lifts
- gradually reduce carbs and keep everything else the same for now

bw: 88.9kg today .. not sure what my 'target' bw is but it's at least under 87.5kg though realistically it won't be very close to 85kg i needed to be ..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4681 on: March 09, 2019, 10:14:39 pm »
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Bball update!

I played 1v1 with a 52 year old HUMAN, much more skilled the 62 year old who defeated me a few days ago (ie the old man game of the meme above). I'm sure if he didnt have such an impressive tan he'd still be really good. 52 year old though. I was able to win but he was much better at basketball. he was sinking 1 handed 3 pointers and posting me up without any trouble. but my jumper was on and he even complimented how nice my form was. i did drive on him a few times just to practice and i cud do that with ease .. now i wanna try against younger guys lol. I posted him up once and i must have stronger than i think cos i cud man handle him. Also the funny thing is he was wearing a Manu Ginobili singlet so im sure he has a soft spot for us lefties .. we do look pretty i know .. come to think of it he didn't contest a single of my jumpers .. no wonder i hit them all. anywayyyyyyy

altho i will add that apparently he had been playing since 11am .. and i got there around 4pm .. so all things considered .. i was fresh and he was spent. i still suck .. but i suck a little less than i did a few days ago.

tldr: from losing to a 62 yaer old .. i beat a 52 year old 3 days later. this is progress ..

reading "I played 1v1 with a 52 year old HUMAN" makes me chuckle. it looks so weird.

I guess you can technically drop "HUMAN" since it's implied. If you play a POLAR BEAR, then it makes sense to include it. lmfao.

"I played 1v1 with a 52 year old"

"I played 1v1 with a 52 year young"

"I played 1v1 with a person"

"I played 1v1"

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4682 on: March 10, 2019, 11:25:22 am »
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Maybe we should leave species out of this  :pokerface:

ive got THE ab doms ... did nothing to cause it.. could it have been the jump session??


Also i forgot to mention, as per the discussion to go for no hope dunk attempts in Coges log .. i did actually try to dunk in that last 1v1 i mentioned .. the ball slipped out of my hand!! It makes sense that a one hand dunk would be more likely to be available but it's a harder dunk to relaibly complete with my weak sauce grip.  And my opponent was distracted by some cute blonde girl who was negotating the coffee she'd won by winning a bet (her hitting a 3) .. so it doesn't really count .. but i still went for it. Fumbled it like a twat. Ive always fumbled every single dunk attempt in game so this is nothing new .. but i went for it .. so as long as i keep trying i might figure out the rest and land an in game dunk
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4683 on: March 11, 2019, 01:23:20 am »
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Played 1v1 today with this over weight 62 year old white man. he beat me both games .. lol. prep is going great

Come on mate. You should know better than to mention race like this.

yea you're right. i wanted to write something else but i thought it would be too doxy and made it more vague. maybe should have just stuck with human male.

I played 1v1 with a 52 year old HUMAN, much more skilled the 62 year old who defeated me a few days ago (ie the old man game of the meme above). I'm sure if he didnt have such an impressive tan he'd still be really good. 52 year old though.

Maybe we should leave species out of this  :pokerface:

OK OK, I get it's not cool to be pious about casual/inconsequential racism, and it's funnier to make jokes about SJW sensitivities and that...I am just interested that you (who has mentioned they've experienced racism IRL in Australia) would trivialise what I said before. I was surprised you were disappointed to lose against someone whom you described as old, fat and white, as if it were the trifecta of basketball ineptitude - but maybe I shouldn't be surprised? I am honestly interested in your views on it given your racism experience (something I haven't experienced) and being what I consider a well-informed, well-educated person.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4684 on: March 11, 2019, 06:58:16 am »
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I think you were right to call me out. Given the background information available to someone neutral reading, the call out was justified, no argument there whatsoever. The state of knowledge at hand can lead to two different viewpoints where both can't be true but somehow the viewpoints are logically valid given different background information. It's like when you say something unexpected to someone and they say 'that is random' to make that statement, but if they knew the full state of your mind at that point, it would no longer be random because they'd see the chain of thought that led to that statement being uttered.

The question of racism here is of the same quality of background knowledge and i hate to say it, 'intent'  (which i think is regrettably known to be abused for excusing racism) matters. If the trio of 'old' 'white' 'fat' are qualities being used to diminish the person in question then it would be racism, i agree. However I would not say i meant the 'white' in a pejorative sense here, if whatever race that person was i would have written it the same way and not have it reflect on that person's basketball ability. I have used it in that sense before but it was a positive way (the 14 yo athletic white phenom i described a few weeks ago in a youth league). That's still racism but positive or whatever.

In general, I don't have a problem personally talking about race casually, yeah we're all equal in theory but in practice im probably not afforded that kind of luxury of a viewpoint, which i think is something another Australian might take for granted (and that would be a good thing). I don't want to live with some kind of delusion that race doesn't matter or exist because that would lead to unrealistic situations otherwise. Or rude awakenings. It's nice to believe you're just another person most of the time, maybe even someone 'normal' but then you'll run into a small amount of racism and find it deeply troubling unless you've cultivated a resistance to racism being able to hurt you. I have to keep race in the foreground because otherwise racism is just too crushing when it happens, kind of like maintaining a level of immunity to it is required to function.

If you knew the person i was talking about, the 62 year old, he's a feature of the local pickup scene for years. The man is almost an institution, a playground legend. He's almost loved here. I honestly admire the man and i would even say i find his love for the game infectious. He hasn't got athleticism or even skill but he loves to play basketball and everyone just humours him but not having played with him in a year or two, i was surprised how much better he has got .. or perhaps how bad i have gotten at the same time, and how troubling i found it to be beaten by him .. not beacuse he's white .. but because he was really really bad .. like just terrible and now he was absolutely demolishing me. And having said that, it'snot like he's suddenly now a good player .. he's still bad .. but he beat me bad. But i couldn't have even tried to beat him in a competive sense .. i have a bit too much respect for him as a opponent to humiliate him? i dont know, it wasn't a competitive situation, i played with restraint but i'd expect to beat him easily even without trying. I'd never say he's bad because he's white .. it's not a factor (in this case). If his race was relevant that would be different. I guess if i was to flesh this out fully .. a 62 year old brown man or black man .. that would not make it any different in my eye, the age and fatness would be the main thing here.

Also i'm not good at dealing with racism .. but ive been trying to dispower it .. maybe it's a complex thing that needs way too much nuance to be careless like in this case.




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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4685 on: March 11, 2019, 10:54:14 am »
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Bodyweight(AM): 89.1kg (11 March)
Diet compliance: 2/2 days
Daily Squat: 112/112 days
Daily Cardio: 0/0


Morning:
    

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 2x157.5(PR)
   OHP 10x20 

Evening:
 Hill Run - 1.5km, 10 min
   Walk 40 min.   


Notes:
  • Ok restarted daily cardio.My HR was 175 at 1.5km .. i just decided to stop there .. i could have kept going of course but i didn't want to be up all night because my CNS was fried from going too hard on day 0 .. shows how quickly you lose fitness huh .. 175 for a 6:30/km pace .. yikes. 
  • The 157.5kg double was a mistake. I should have taken a recovery day but ive got the 24hr holter on and i wasn't sure if i could fit in a workout before i have to return it tmr. I couldn't decide what workset to do after the 120kg warmup .. which mde my legs feel sore all of a duden, so i prob wouldnt be able to do a proper workout tmr, anyway, so i thoght i might as well make this the workout
  • Couldn't decide between a)leaving, b)repping 150kg for a reps PR, or c)Progressing to a 157.5kg double
  • Then some guy decides to just setup for rack pulls (on the outside) on the same rack i am using on the inside. i told him i only had 2 sets (he never asked me first)  left and he said ok and just left the bar there? take a hint im not asking im  hinting you to get out of my personal space lol. It's not ok to just jump into someone's rack without even saying hi. Then i had to ask him to remove it because it was unsafe to have a bar behind me if i fail a set. After that i felt amped up and went with 157.5kg even tho i prob shud have just left the gym at that point. If he had just asked me first i'd have happily given him the rack and just left because the universe decided for me, but people are so inconsiderate. OR maybe i'm the inconsiderate one for doing daily squats/ohp and people are sick of me? it messed with my head .. shitty day of training.
  • It was the ugliest 2 reps ive done in a long time .. so bad .. i dont even count it as a PR tbh
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4686 on: March 11, 2019, 10:19:34 pm »
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Bodyweight(AM): 89.4kg (12 March)
Diet compliance: 3/3 days
Daily Squat: 113/113 days
Daily Cardio: 1/1
Activity: 17500


Morning:
TM Run, 2.5km, ~16:55 min    

Noon:
   BS 8x50, 8x70
   OHP 10x50, 10x40

Evening:
 Hoops - shooting around and 2 1v1 pickup games   


Notes:
  • Played 1v1 against a 18 yo .. we split 2 games. It's so hard defending short guys .... it's almost impossible lol. Anyone 5'10" or so you can keep D up hip to hip .. but shorter guys than that .. they just vanish into the ether and teleport near the rim
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4687 on: March 12, 2019, 11:01:11 pm »
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Some interesting DOMS - right hamstring. I'd say it's from the run i did the other day.
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« Reply #4688 on: March 12, 2019, 11:24:34 pm »
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I think you were right to call me out. Given the background information available to someone neutral reading, the call out was justified, no argument there whatsoever. The state of knowledge at hand can lead to two different viewpoints where both can't be true but somehow the viewpoints are logically valid given different background information. It's like when you say something unexpected to someone and they say 'that is random' to make that statement, but if they knew the full state of your mind at that point, it would no longer be random because they'd see the chain of thought that led to that statement being uttered.

The question of racism here is of the same quality of background knowledge and i hate to say it, 'intent'  (which i think is regrettably known to be abused for excusing racism) matters. If the trio of 'old' 'white' 'fat' are qualities being used to diminish the person in question then it would be racism, i agree. However I would not say i meant the 'white' in a pejorative sense here, if whatever race that person was i would have written it the same way and not have it reflect on that person's basketball ability. I have used it in that sense before but it was a positive way (the 14 yo athletic white phenom i described a few weeks ago in a youth league). That's still racism but positive or whatever.

In general, I don't have a problem personally talking about race casually, yeah we're all equal in theory but in practice im probably not afforded that kind of luxury of a viewpoint, which i think is something another Australian might take for granted (and that would be a good thing). I don't want to live with some kind of delusion that race doesn't matter or exist because that would lead to unrealistic situations otherwise. Or rude awakenings. It's nice to believe you're just another person most of the time, maybe even someone 'normal' but then you'll run into a small amount of racism and find it deeply troubling unless you've cultivated a resistance to racism being able to hurt you. I have to keep race in the foreground because otherwise racism is just too crushing when it happens, kind of like maintaining a level of immunity to it is required to function.

If you knew the person i was talking about, the 62 year old, he's a feature of the local pickup scene for years. The man is almost an institution, a playground legend. He's almost loved here. I honestly admire the man and i would even say i find his love for the game infectious. He hasn't got athleticism or even skill but he loves to play basketball and everyone just humours him but not having played with him in a year or two, i was surprised how much better he has got .. or perhaps how bad i have gotten at the same time, and how troubling i found it to be beaten by him .. not beacuse he's white .. but because he was really really bad .. like just terrible and now he was absolutely demolishing me. And having said that, it'snot like he's suddenly now a good player .. he's still bad .. but he beat me bad. But i couldn't have even tried to beat him in a competive sense .. i have a bit too much respect for him as a opponent to humiliate him? i dont know, it wasn't a competitive situation, i played with restraint but i'd expect to beat him easily even without trying. I'd never say he's bad because he's white .. it's not a factor (in this case). If his race was relevant that would be different. I guess if i was to flesh this out fully .. a 62 year old brown man or black man .. that would not make it any different in my eye, the age and fatness would be the main thing here.

Also i'm not good at dealing with racism .. but ive been trying to dispower it .. maybe it's a complex thing that needs way too much nuance to be careless like in this case.

OK, I understand where you're coming from a lot better now. I won't analyse it all in-depth but there's some really interesting insight here. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4689 on: March 13, 2019, 08:13:22 am »
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Bodyweight(AM): 89.1kg (13 March)
Diet compliance: 4/4 days
Daily Squat: 116/116 days
Daily Cardio: 2/2
Activity: 10


Morning:
    

Noon:
   BS 8x20, 8x20, 8x50
   OHP 10x20, 8x40, 3x57.5
   Incline DB BP 15x15, 12x20
   Dips 10xBW, 10xBW
   Chinup 3xBW, 3xBW
   

Evening:
 Weight vest walk - 30 min 


Notes:
  • Didn't run today, want fresh knees for tmr's squats
  • 5kg vest walking keeps my HR at 100bpm.. maybe more weight will get it closer to 2xResting HR?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4690 on: March 13, 2019, 08:20:02 am »
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So might start to make some diet changes .. i have 37 days til comp day, will start boiling my eggs in the morning and reduce the quantity to 2 eggs from 3. Not a huge change but over the scale of 37 days it should help. Also will be keeping daily activity at 10,000 steps or more. Which won't happen unless i go for walks or running or basketball.

More jumping .. jumping with the vest ... forget about dunking esp with the vest that's stupid .. better to just potentiate with the vest using max effort jumps then try with a ball 
Squatting will be trying to master 150kg for volume ... it's time to switch over to heavy weights and see what i can do athletically with whatever muscle ive build (lol).
Start sprinting. Always hard to start these cos the first sessions will give massive doms but i need to ease into this asap otherwise i'll miss the boat
conditioning has to come from hard running (20 min max) or intervals. i will start the intervals soonish .. this week....
im too heavy .. will need to actively drop some kilos. 86.5kg would be realistically amazing if i can get it but im not sure if it's attainable in this timeframe while trying to do all of the above..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4691 on: March 13, 2019, 08:04:05 pm »
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So might start to make some diet changes .. i have 37 days til comp day, will start boiling my eggs in the morning and reduce the quantity to 2 eggs from 3. Not a huge change but over the scale of 37 days it should help. Also will be keeping daily activity at 10,000 steps or more. Which won't happen unless i go for walks or running or basketball.

More jumping .. jumping with the vest ... forget about dunking esp with the vest that's stupid .. better to just potentiate with the vest using max effort jumps then try with a ball 
Squatting will be trying to master 150kg for volume ... it's time to switch over to heavy weights and see what i can do athletically with whatever muscle ive build (lol).
Start sprinting. Always hard to start these cos the first sessions will give massive doms but i need to ease into this asap otherwise i'll miss the boat
conditioning has to come from hard running (20 min max) or intervals. i will start the intervals soonish .. this week....
im too heavy .. will need to actively drop some kilos. 86.5kg would be realistically amazing if i can get it but im not sure if it's attainable in this timeframe while trying to do all of the above..

Can I make a suggestion?

More basketball. 37 days till comp isn't that long. Work more basketball. Work your jumper and pick 2-4 moves that you think will be your go to and get them to a level where they're automatic. I would go with 2 post and 2 off the dribble. IMO that will give you a greater outcome when the comp rolls around. Still try to be an athletic beast but just don't forget about your ball skills.

*Edit- Also, as a lefty you should try and take advantage of this. Especially in post play with your turn around jumper.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4692 on: March 14, 2019, 06:27:32 am »
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This is solid advice. I think i will need to make a list of moves and i can pick the 2 moves i'll go with for off-the dribble and for in the post? Let me put some up on insta and you can tell me which one has more chance of a)mastery and b)effectiveness.

I need to figure out how to use the jump stop to get some spacing to go into a dunk. Also i need to do some low rim dunking with the size 6 ball to get the movement pattern down. Right now i can't even do a two hand dunk leave alone a tomahawk. This isn't because i can't jump (can still hit a 35" rvj apparently) but because i dont know have the movement efficiency down to do it? Legit if i can get a couple of dunks in game .. it will have a psychological effect that hopefully will help my team. Just a session or two if i can fit one in will get me that back and then i don't have to do anymore dunking specific workouts hopefully.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4693 on: March 14, 2019, 06:32:47 am »
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Bodyweight(AM): 88.8kg (14 March)
Diet compliance: 5/5 days
Daily Squat: 117/117 days
Activity: 12


Morning:
   WV walk - 15min   

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 5x2x150
   OHP 10x20, 10x40

Evening:
 Basketball ~ 90mins 


Notes:
  • My back isn't really recovered yet but i did 5 doubles with 150kg .. i couldn't do more than 2 reps today. Not recovered enough. But squatting heavy like this .. this is what will make me athletic guys .. because now my legs are actually being challenged by squats .. before today it was probably just glutes. Glutes makes u faster but i jump higher when my quads are stronger and now they're going to start doing some work ha ha
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4694 on: March 14, 2019, 06:38:13 am »
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Basketball report ..

i played with some 16 yo kids .. we played king of the court to start with .. i was feeling so athletic .. just flying around doing whatever i wanted .. they weren't very athletic and they're small, weak and slow so i didn't find it at all challenging. I got bored. One of the games i went up to dunk on one of htem .. and he said 'im scared .. dont wanna get dunked on' .. and i just felt bad like stop being a bully. If i could actually dunk in game obviously i wouldn't be trying against kids.. it's just practice but nevertheless i decided to just switch it off cos it wasn't fair. To be honest i was also winded lol. We played 2v2 after that and one of the kids was really out of shape .. fat guy .. gave up playing d so the game died otherwise it was pretty fun.

After that i played 4v4 with some asian guys .. one guy had a very good crossover, he crossed me up real good. And then he drove and finished, i felt like a helpless ogre. Next time he crossed me up again and he got cocky and pulled up for the shot, i recovered and blocked it, got props for my d. im not that easy to beat on the perimeter .. long arms and i can jump (sometimes). ha. the highlight was i got the ball baseline and i had programmed myself that if i get a small window im going up . i dunked it. they were all in awe. if they knew me, they'd even more impressed cos ive never ever dunked in a game lol. but it was pickup okay and these guys hardly play d .. so lets not get carried away

still im being more aggresive now attacking the rim, if get a good pass im just thinking start a quick move and go up.
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