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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4740 on: March 12, 2019, 11:01:11 pm »
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Some interesting DOMS - right hamstring. I'd say it's from the run i did the other day.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4741 on: March 12, 2019, 11:24:34 pm »
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I think you were right to call me out. Given the background information available to someone neutral reading, the call out was justified, no argument there whatsoever. The state of knowledge at hand can lead to two different viewpoints where both can't be true but somehow the viewpoints are logically valid given different background information. It's like when you say something unexpected to someone and they say 'that is random' to make that statement, but if they knew the full state of your mind at that point, it would no longer be random because they'd see the chain of thought that led to that statement being uttered.

The question of racism here is of the same quality of background knowledge and i hate to say it, 'intent'  (which i think is regrettably known to be abused for excusing racism) matters. If the trio of 'old' 'white' 'fat' are qualities being used to diminish the person in question then it would be racism, i agree. However I would not say i meant the 'white' in a pejorative sense here, if whatever race that person was i would have written it the same way and not have it reflect on that person's basketball ability. I have used it in that sense before but it was a positive way (the 14 yo athletic white phenom i described a few weeks ago in a youth league). That's still racism but positive or whatever.

In general, I don't have a problem personally talking about race casually, yeah we're all equal in theory but in practice im probably not afforded that kind of luxury of a viewpoint, which i think is something another Australian might take for granted (and that would be a good thing). I don't want to live with some kind of delusion that race doesn't matter or exist because that would lead to unrealistic situations otherwise. Or rude awakenings. It's nice to believe you're just another person most of the time, maybe even someone 'normal' but then you'll run into a small amount of racism and find it deeply troubling unless you've cultivated a resistance to racism being able to hurt you. I have to keep race in the foreground because otherwise racism is just too crushing when it happens, kind of like maintaining a level of immunity to it is required to function.

If you knew the person i was talking about, the 62 year old, he's a feature of the local pickup scene for years. The man is almost an institution, a playground legend. He's almost loved here. I honestly admire the man and i would even say i find his love for the game infectious. He hasn't got athleticism or even skill but he loves to play basketball and everyone just humours him but not having played with him in a year or two, i was surprised how much better he has got .. or perhaps how bad i have gotten at the same time, and how troubling i found it to be beaten by him .. not beacuse he's white .. but because he was really really bad .. like just terrible and now he was absolutely demolishing me. And having said that, it'snot like he's suddenly now a good player .. he's still bad .. but he beat me bad. But i couldn't have even tried to beat him in a competive sense .. i have a bit too much respect for him as a opponent to humiliate him? i dont know, it wasn't a competitive situation, i played with restraint but i'd expect to beat him easily even without trying. I'd never say he's bad because he's white .. it's not a factor (in this case). If his race was relevant that would be different. I guess if i was to flesh this out fully .. a 62 year old brown man or black man .. that would not make it any different in my eye, the age and fatness would be the main thing here.

Also i'm not good at dealing with racism .. but ive been trying to dispower it .. maybe it's a complex thing that needs way too much nuance to be careless like in this case.

OK, I understand where you're coming from a lot better now. I won't analyse it all in-depth but there's some really interesting insight here. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4742 on: March 13, 2019, 08:13:22 am »
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Bodyweight(AM): 89.1kg (13 March)
Diet compliance: 4/4 days
Daily Squat: 116/116 days
Daily Cardio: 2/2
Activity: 10


Morning:
    

Noon:
   BS 8x20, 8x20, 8x50
   OHP 10x20, 8x40, 3x57.5
   Incline DB BP 15x15, 12x20
   Dips 10xBW, 10xBW
   Chinup 3xBW, 3xBW
   

Evening:
 Weight vest walk - 30 min 


Notes:
  • Didn't run today, want fresh knees for tmr's squats
  • 5kg vest walking keeps my HR at 100bpm.. maybe more weight will get it closer to 2xResting HR?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4743 on: March 13, 2019, 08:20:02 am »
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So might start to make some diet changes .. i have 37 days til comp day, will start boiling my eggs in the morning and reduce the quantity to 2 eggs from 3. Not a huge change but over the scale of 37 days it should help. Also will be keeping daily activity at 10,000 steps or more. Which won't happen unless i go for walks or running or basketball.

More jumping .. jumping with the vest ... forget about dunking esp with the vest that's stupid .. better to just potentiate with the vest using max effort jumps then try with a ball 
Squatting will be trying to master 150kg for volume ... it's time to switch over to heavy weights and see what i can do athletically with whatever muscle ive build (lol).
Start sprinting. Always hard to start these cos the first sessions will give massive doms but i need to ease into this asap otherwise i'll miss the boat
conditioning has to come from hard running (20 min max) or intervals. i will start the intervals soonish .. this week....
im too heavy .. will need to actively drop some kilos. 86.5kg would be realistically amazing if i can get it but im not sure if it's attainable in this timeframe while trying to do all of the above..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4744 on: March 13, 2019, 08:04:05 pm »
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So might start to make some diet changes .. i have 37 days til comp day, will start boiling my eggs in the morning and reduce the quantity to 2 eggs from 3. Not a huge change but over the scale of 37 days it should help. Also will be keeping daily activity at 10,000 steps or more. Which won't happen unless i go for walks or running or basketball.

More jumping .. jumping with the vest ... forget about dunking esp with the vest that's stupid .. better to just potentiate with the vest using max effort jumps then try with a ball 
Squatting will be trying to master 150kg for volume ... it's time to switch over to heavy weights and see what i can do athletically with whatever muscle ive build (lol).
Start sprinting. Always hard to start these cos the first sessions will give massive doms but i need to ease into this asap otherwise i'll miss the boat
conditioning has to come from hard running (20 min max) or intervals. i will start the intervals soonish .. this week....
im too heavy .. will need to actively drop some kilos. 86.5kg would be realistically amazing if i can get it but im not sure if it's attainable in this timeframe while trying to do all of the above..

Can I make a suggestion?

More basketball. 37 days till comp isn't that long. Work more basketball. Work your jumper and pick 2-4 moves that you think will be your go to and get them to a level where they're automatic. I would go with 2 post and 2 off the dribble. IMO that will give you a greater outcome when the comp rolls around. Still try to be an athletic beast but just don't forget about your ball skills.

*Edit- Also, as a lefty you should try and take advantage of this. Especially in post play with your turn around jumper.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2019, 12:07:32 am by Coges »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4745 on: March 14, 2019, 06:27:32 am »
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This is solid advice. I think i will need to make a list of moves and i can pick the 2 moves i'll go with for off-the dribble and for in the post? Let me put some up on insta and you can tell me which one has more chance of a)mastery and b)effectiveness.

I need to figure out how to use the jump stop to get some spacing to go into a dunk. Also i need to do some low rim dunking with the size 6 ball to get the movement pattern down. Right now i can't even do a two hand dunk leave alone a tomahawk. This isn't because i can't jump (can still hit a 35" rvj apparently) but because i dont know have the movement efficiency down to do it? Legit if i can get a couple of dunks in game .. it will have a psychological effect that hopefully will help my team. Just a session or two if i can fit one in will get me that back and then i don't have to do anymore dunking specific workouts hopefully.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4746 on: March 14, 2019, 06:32:47 am »
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Bodyweight(AM): 88.8kg (14 March)
Diet compliance: 5/5 days
Daily Squat: 117/117 days
Activity: 12


Morning:
   WV walk - 15min   

Noon:
   BS 7x120, 5x2x150
   OHP 10x20, 10x40

Evening:
 Basketball ~ 90mins 


Notes:
  • My back isn't really recovered yet but i did 5 doubles with 150kg .. i couldn't do more than 2 reps today. Not recovered enough. But squatting heavy like this .. this is what will make me athletic guys .. because now my legs are actually being challenged by squats .. before today it was probably just glutes. Glutes makes u faster but i jump higher when my quads are stronger and now they're going to start doing some work ha ha
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4747 on: March 14, 2019, 06:38:13 am »
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Basketball report ..

i played with some 16 yo kids .. we played king of the court to start with .. i was feeling so athletic .. just flying around doing whatever i wanted .. they weren't very athletic and they're small, weak and slow so i didn't find it at all challenging. I got bored. One of the games i went up to dunk on one of htem .. and he said 'im scared .. dont wanna get dunked on' .. and i just felt bad like stop being a bully. If i could actually dunk in game obviously i wouldn't be trying against kids.. it's just practice but nevertheless i decided to just switch it off cos it wasn't fair. To be honest i was also winded lol. We played 2v2 after that and one of the kids was really out of shape .. fat guy .. gave up playing d so the game died otherwise it was pretty fun.

After that i played 4v4 with some asian guys .. one guy had a very good crossover, he crossed me up real good. And then he drove and finished, i felt like a helpless ogre. Next time he crossed me up again and he got cocky and pulled up for the shot, i recovered and blocked it, got props for my d. im not that easy to beat on the perimeter .. long arms and i can jump (sometimes). ha. the highlight was i got the ball baseline and i had programmed myself that if i get a small window im going up . i dunked it. they were all in awe. if they knew me, they'd even more impressed cos ive never ever dunked in a game lol. but it was pickup okay and these guys hardly play d .. so lets not get carried away

still im being more aggresive now attacking the rim, if get a good pass im just thinking start a quick move and go up.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4748 on: March 14, 2019, 08:31:27 am »
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i dunked it. they were all in awe.

 ive never ever dunked in a game lol.

deserves the  :personal-record: treatment IMHO
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4749 on: March 16, 2019, 03:21:09 am »
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Not sure what happened but my knee has felt off yesterday and today. I dont know the language to describe it exactly but if i do the following:

1 stand up straight
2. raise my knee slightly
3. raise my foot up towards my butt
4. straighten my leg

and something gets stuck in the knee
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4750 on: March 17, 2019, 12:22:34 am »
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Not sure what happened but my knee has felt off yesterday and today. I dont know the language to describe it exactly but if i do the following:

1 stand up straight
2. raise my knee slightly
3. raise my foot up towards my butt
4. straighten my leg

and something gets stuck in the knee

damn dude. hope it's nothing.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4751 on: March 17, 2019, 12:46:39 am »
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Not sure what happened but my knee has felt off yesterday and today. I dont know the language to describe it exactly but if i do the following:

1 stand up straight
2. raise my knee slightly
3. raise my foot up towards my butt
4. straighten my leg

and something gets stuck in the knee

damn dude. hope it's nothing.

i made it worse yesterday morning by 'testing' it. i think it started when i did that first treadmill run. Just giving it a bit of rest, it felt better today morning. And im not trying to bother it. I really hope i can train normally soon. But need to be careful from here. Just going to focus on upper body. I need training as my outlet otherwise i'll lose my mind. But if i focus on adding some kilos to my ohp or dips i'lll be fine. Hopefully.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #4752 on: March 17, 2019, 07:08:18 pm »
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This is solid advice. I think i will need to make a list of moves and i can pick the 2 moves i'll go with for off-the dribble and for in the post? Let me put some up on insta and you can tell me which one has more chance of a)mastery and b)effectiveness.

I need to figure out how to use the jump stop to get some spacing to go into a dunk. Also i need to do some low rim dunking with the size 6 ball to get the movement pattern down. Right now i can't even do a two hand dunk leave alone a tomahawk. This isn't because i can't jump (can still hit a 35" rvj apparently) but because i dont know have the movement efficiency down to do it? Legit if i can get a couple of dunks in game .. it will have a psychological effect that hopefully will help my team. Just a session or two if i can fit one in will get me that back and then i don't have to do anymore dunking specific workouts hopefully.

Mate congrats in the in game dunk. I know it's only pick up but that's a huge step towards more in game dunks. Also hope the knee recovers as quickly as possible.

Over the weekend I was thinking about what moves I would focus on if I was you. I would go with a hesitation dribble into a layup or pull up jumper. If you can get this quick there's not too many people (normal players) who will stop you from getting past them. You can then add the crossover, step back, etc once you are more confident. I would suggest that if you have a hesi with a pull up and a cross over you will destroy most social (even A grade) players.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql9AYz0rwpY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql9AYz0rwpY</a>
*disclaimer- not a great video but gives you the basic idea in case you aren't aware.

For the post I would get your turn around jumper (back to the basket move) and then once face the basket jumper. Add in a pump fake every now and then, 1 dribble and finish with a dunk  :D
Seriously though, you're a left with a high shooting action and you can jump. There shouldn't be too many people who can stop you in the post with your jump shot.
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